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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 11:36 PM
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she looks killer, do you guys have any kind of brake cooling ducts? they'd help and probably be counted as a safety item.
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Team, our IROC is almost ready for Sears Point.. I will post some Pics of the build shortly.

We need a couple of things (note the 12:30am post :-))

T5 Transmission - ours is weak, concern we will make the weekend

Wheels, looking for a set of Rims 17X9, Steel ideally, Scotty, I looked at the American racing 17x9 TORQUE THRUST that you reference, they look like $170 each, that's too much for us..

We are in Costa Mesa, CA.. Cheers !
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Re: 24 Hours of LeMons Build. 88 IROC

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Team, our IROC is almost ready for Sears Point.. I will post some Pics of the build shortly.

We need a couple of things (note the 12:30am post :-))

T5 Transmission - ours is weak, concern we will make the weekend

Wheels, looking for a set of Rims 17X9, Steel ideally, Scotty, I looked at the American racing 17x9 TORQUE THRUST that you reference, they look like $170 each, that's too much for us..

We are in Costa Mesa, CA.. Cheers !
Aaron, no idea where to get steel wheels. I bought 10 of the Torque Thrusts so I got a pretty good volume deal. The tires I think I got the last 7 in the country last week. I bought 8 so It would prompt a backorder.

As for the T-5 Bad Brad didn't have anything?
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she looks killer, do you guys have any kind of brake cooling ducts? they'd help and probably be counted as a safety item.
Yeah I could run ducting... I just haven't got to the point to need them I guess. Maybe if we get more than 50 laps during race we will....LOL
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Aaron, no idea where to get steel wheels. I bought 10 of the Torque Thrusts so I got a pretty good volume deal. The tires I think I got the last 7 in the country last week. I bought 8 so It would prompt a backorder.

As for the T-5 Bad Brad didn't have anything?
Mmmmm, off to search again.

Bad Brad was a little expensive, he can rebuild ours for a reasonable price, but we will probably see if we can limp though sears point, then pull it and rebuild it after.. Too much to do this week :-)

Finding a 2nd trans would be good, for the @ track swap :-)
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Mmmmm, off to search again.

Bad Brad was a little expensive, he can rebuild ours for a reasonable price, but we will probably see if we can limp though sears point, then pull it and rebuild it after.. Too much to do this week :-)

Finding a 2nd trans would be good, for the @ track swap :-)
So are you guys getting excited? It's amazing how well these cars can handle when you dump 500-1000 lbs off them. Have you weighed your car yet?
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 11:04 AM
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Not sure what the weight is now, we still have lots of crap on the engine, pretty standard, - not sure we will get to that before the race.. but we have stripped out everything else :-)

Of course we are leaving the IROC body kit on it, we have the need for speed.
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Not sure what the weight is now, we still have lots of crap on the engine, pretty standard, - not sure we will get to that before the race.. but we have stripped out everything else :-)

Of course we are leaving the IROC body kit on it, we have the need for speed.
Got a new pic?
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Hey, for those wheels you brought, what's the offset, and are you using any spacers ?
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It's alive! Click on image for video.

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haha hendrick motorsports stickers
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haha hendrick motorsports stickers

Haha! "Hendrick Racing Engines" E-bay.
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i bet it was atleast 5.99 for a little adhesive backed piece of colored paper
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Click pic below for video of dyno run.
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Chart of dyno run?
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are those beehive springs and roller rockers? I hope they don't pull your valve covers!
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are those beehive springs and roller rockers? I hope they don't pull your valve covers!
Those were already on the engine we dug up in Texas. They already approved them. They are just the crappy roller tip one anyways.
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Chart of dyno run?
Best run was 218hp @ 4600
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Sounds like a sneaky NOS system is in order... hehehehe
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Sounds like a sneaky NOS system is in order... hehehehe
That'll be great for endurance...LOL
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That'll be great for endurance...LOL
hmmm if you could find a way to allow it to slowly spray into the combustion chamber over the course of the race and not all at once, it'd be almost like running higher octane fuel, or i'm wrong i have no idea lol, but!!!!!!!!!! if cooling is an issue, have you thought about say a long hose running across the top of the radiator with some holes cut in it, probably make this whole thing out of the wiper washer system or an old one, and use it to spray the engine with cool water over the course of the race to keep the temp lower? saw it on monster garage once but cant find a vid
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This is kinda funny, my old (burned to the ground) engine made 218HP at 4750 & 265FT of torque from 3300-4000. Couldn't get her over 182 deg. until the belts came off. Also our rev. limiter came in at 5050 RPM, we bumped that up after the dyno pull, didn't really need to cause the power was dropping off anyway but small blocks don't mind to rev.

Unless something disastrous happens I'll se ya at the Point.
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lemons kicks ***
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This is kinda funny, my old (burned to the ground) engine made 218HP at 4750 & 265FT of torque from 3300-4000. Couldn't get her over 182 deg. until the belts came off. Also our rev. limiter came in at 5050 RPM, we bumped that up after the dyno pull, didn't really need to cause the power was dropping off anyway but small blocks don't mind to rev.

Unless something disastrous happens I'll se ya at the Point.
Awesome.... We'll see you there! Hopeing to get a shop to rent.

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lemons kicks ***
Yes Sir, you are correct!
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Needs a centrifugal blower then? Route it all sneaky, they wont know...

Maybe...
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Oh holy cr4p, I wanna do this too!!

When I first saw the title to this thread, I thought you misspelled Le Mans... then I started reading the first post, checked out the link, and realized you really did mean LeMons, as in the sour yellow fruit and POS cars. I LOL'd hard! Looks like soooo much fun! I like the names of peoples cars, FailBird and IROC Maiden (my fiance loves that band).

Good luck in your race, your cars look rad. Go Thirdgens!! Rock on Lemons!
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Oh holy cr4p, I wanna do this too!!

When I first saw the title to this thread, I thought you misspelled Le Mans... then I started reading the first post, checked out the link, and realized you really did mean LeMons, as in the sour yellow fruit and POS cars. I LOL'd hard! Looks like soooo much fun! I like the names of peoples cars, FailBird and IROC Maiden (my fiance loves that band).

Good luck in your race, your cars look rad. Go Thirdgens!! Rock on Lemons!
It's sooo fun.... Just got back and we finished both days. Day 1 was nasty rain all day long. Day two was great! We had a charging issue... Morsco main cut off switch took a dump... Very Lame! We only go two black flags... Typically they are for crappy driving. But in our case we broke the record for loudest car on a non cup weekend. LOL 104db. So basically the track Black Flagged us. Not Lemons. LOL If it's too loud! You're too old. LOL
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yeahhhhhhhhhh rock on
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What are just dumping right out of the headers? 104db is crazy!
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Originally Posted by FlyHiFlyLo
It's sooo fun.... Just got back and we finished both days. Day 1 was nasty rain all day long. Day two was great! We had a charging issue... Morsco main cut off switch took a dump... Very Lame! We only go two black flags... Typically they are for crappy driving. But in our case we broke the record for loudest car on a non cup weekend. LOL 104db. So basically the track Black Flagged us. Not Lemons. LOL If it's too loud! You're too old. LOL
That is way too funny! Tell them to put ear plugs in, then it's not too loud.
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Re: 24 Hours of LeMons Build. 88 IROC

Originally Posted by lemons racer
This is kinda funny, my old (burned to the ground) engine made 218HP at 4750 & 265FT of torque from 3300-4000. Couldn't get her over 182 deg. until the belts came off. Also our rev. limiter came in at 5050 RPM, we bumped that up after the dyno pull, didn't really need to cause the power was dropping off anyway but small blocks don't mind to rev.

Unless something disastrous happens I'll se ya at the Point.

What you use for a rev limiter??
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What are just dumping right out of the headers? 104db is crazy!
No it's an 8 into 1 3" dia. One muffler. Dynomax 12" bullet. Going to add a sticker over the exhaust pipe. "If it's too loud you'er too old" And put a 24" bullet instead of the 12"

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That is way too funny! Tell them to put ear plugs in, then it's not too loud.
Hellz yeah.
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Here's a little video action.

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Awesome pics! Liked the video too. :-D
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What did you place in the ones you finished?
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for a min it thought the car bad a bra on in the last picture lol
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Great video and pictures. The question is..Are you competitive?
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Re: 24 Hours of LeMons Build. 88 IROC

at first i thought it was a misspelling also, looks like a fun race but something i didn't notice in the rules was cost on engine is that included in the rules for the $500 limit. Would be a nice rule that there is no limit on engine but can't have power adders. And I am green with envy over your house its like 4x the size of mine lol
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Re: 24 Hours of LeMons Build. 88 IROC

Originally Posted by Bunnydoom
at first i thought it was a misspelling also, looks like a fun race but something i didn't notice in the rules was cost on engine is that included in the rules for the $500 limit. Would be a nice rule that there is no limit on engine but can't have power adders. And I am green with envy over your house its like 4x the size of mine lol
That completely defeats the purposes of keeping this a cheap racing option for people. If you allow the engine to be part of the no limit rules then some people are going to spend big bucks on an engine and its going to affect other teams that don't have that kind of money. And since the drive to be competitive is there it will raise the cost for EVERYONE.

As it is right now, there is no limit on safety related equipment. Brakes are very important, cage...etc. Yes, brakes are a performance feature, but they may be the thing you need to keep you from crashing into another car. Most of the cars in the $500 price range don't have brakes to handle a track day or even a 20 minute outing. Brake fade would be a massive issue otherwise.

A small, not dangerous example. In the Radio Control car world they have "Spec" classes to keep the prices down. One of the classes was started up as the Spec Inferno GT class. This class consisted of bone stock Kyosho Inferno GT On-road cars costing about $350. These cars were capable of doing 0-60mph in about 4 seconds with top speeds near the 70's. But one problem they came with was a single 1mm x 20m steel brake disc. This was not nearly enough to slow the cars down from high speeds. In the first races drivers were crashing and having car control issues. The cause was brake fade, drivers were trying to race hard and be competitive but the brakes just weren't good enough to haul the cars down from the speeds they were capable of reaching. The end result was drivers either going wide and bashing walls, or having to keep the cars slow and never using the engine's potential. It was pissing drivers off and driving them from the class. They later changed the rules to allow for any type of non-hydraulic braking system they wanted. Once the change was made the class exploded as the brake discs were only about $25 and take nearly 1-2yrs to wear them out.

Allowing engines would increase the cost of this racing. And while its cheap by comparison, it can still be expensive once you add in all the safety equipment and registration costs.
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 11:03 AM
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There is an unwritten rule in LeMONS. Do whatever it takes to keep the car running at the track. The engine was approved by LeMONs in Texas when we blew up. Also it's not like we put an LSX in there it's old school Gen1.
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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and no offense but it'd be a great engine to build for a drag car, but in an endurance sport dominated mostly by dohc v6s and 4 bangers it wouldn't be my first choice honestly
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 09:30 PM
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Re: 24 Hours of LeMons Build. 88 IROC

Originally Posted by Thirdgen89GTA
That completely defeats the purposes of keeping this a cheap racing option for people. If you allow the engine to be part of the no limit rules then some people are going to spend big bucks on an engine and its going to affect other teams that don't have that kind of money. And since the drive to be competitive is there it will raise the cost for EVERYONE.

As it is right now, there is no limit on safety related equipment. Brakes are very important, cage...etc. Yes, brakes are a performance feature, but they may be the thing you need to keep you from crashing into another car. Most of the cars in the $500 price range don't have brakes to handle a track day or even a 20 minute outing. Brake fade would be a massive issue otherwise.

A small, not dangerous example. In the Radio Control car world they have "Spec" classes to keep the prices down. One of the classes was started up as the Spec Inferno GT class. This class consisted of bone stock Kyosho Inferno GT On-road cars costing about $350. These cars were capable of doing 0-60mph in about 4 seconds with top speeds near the 70's. But one problem they came with was a single 1mm x 20m steel brake disc. This was not nearly enough to slow the cars down from high speeds. In the first races drivers were crashing and having car control issues. The cause was brake fade, drivers were trying to race hard and be competitive but the brakes just weren't good enough to haul the cars down from the speeds they were capable of reaching. The end result was drivers either going wide and bashing walls, or having to keep the cars slow and never using the engine's potential. It was pissing drivers off and driving them from the class. They later changed the rules to allow for any type of non-hydraulic braking system they wanted. Once the change was made the class exploded as the brake discs were only about $25 and take nearly 1-2yrs to wear them out.

Allowing engines would increase the cost of this racing. And while its cheap by comparison, it can still be expensive once you add in all the safety equipment and registration costs.
I think you read my question wrong, i already know safety is important such as brakes i would be cashing out for handling and driver safety.

i know i said no limit but i should of worded it better, no limit on parts to help it run but no power adders, i would still like to have a bit of breathing room with an engine, not to spend like $100,000 on it but a bit over $500 on parts to help it run reliably since buying a car for $500 of course the engine is gonna be a "lemon" lol and i guess that's the point of the race and the challenge to find a car and work on it for that little. Would like to get in on this racing but didnt buy any of my cars for $500 or less and the only ones i would be able to race in are in Oregon and north California and doing it in NC would be a stretch for me

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hey your in this pic
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Old Mar 30, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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Haha.... Yup... That was nuts.
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how badly did the rain effect racing, never raced in the rain before
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Old Mar 31, 2012 | 02:06 PM
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how badly did the rain effect racing, never raced in the rain before
175 cars solid rain all day... Insane!
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Old Mar 31, 2012 | 02:25 PM
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sounds fun, did most cars have wipers? or were they jut rain x-d also i saw alot of "improvised" roofs lol looks like so much fun
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 10:53 PM
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The failbird has arrived in nj! you guys still planning on having a maiden cover band show up?
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