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Old Jun 8, 2019 | 10:49 AM
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue
could indicate side to mount. I noticed white/pink on my left/right strut mounts. Pretty certain that was to identify which side they should go on to make things easy on the assembly line. Seen a few other similar markings around the car but haven't figured out what they are for.
They are blue on both sides of original WS6 and 1LE cars I've seen. Kind of thinking they may just been inspection mark done by the supplier. Whatever the reason, I just thought it would be fun to put back on.

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Old Jun 8, 2019 | 10:53 AM
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Ah! Have to take a closer look next time I'm under there.

That is my intention as well as I replace items. Now to round up the paint! I ran across a place called inlinetube.com - they mention these paint markings and have it available. where are you sourcing yours?
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Old Jun 8, 2019 | 10:56 PM
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indeed, blue on both sides on my low key 305.! took a few photos. keep us posted, learning so much!
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 02:18 PM
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 10:23 PM
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Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
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Just noticed the date code on the brake hose. Guess my TTA 1LE brakes came from a fairly early car? (It was seriously wadded up and had low miles)
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Old Jun 10, 2019 | 08:23 PM
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Test fit. I can say the 5spd tunnel seems to be a tad smaller in spots than the 700r4 tunnel even though it isn't. Still needs a few spots "massaged" to fit this monster. SLP had to do the same for a couple of things on the auto trans tunnel.
What looks like rust along the rocker panel is just brown southern clay/dirt. Very hard to remove in some places (like spotweld areas) without stripping the paint off.

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Old Jun 10, 2019 | 08:32 PM
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Much badassery!
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Old Jun 10, 2019 | 08:33 PM
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I sure hope it'll be worth it when done.

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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 09:16 AM
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Picture in post 256 isn't showing up. I thought it was the websense at work, but I tried on my phone with the same result
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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 09:34 AM
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Re: "it" has begun....

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I sure hope it'll be worth it when done!!
You know it will be. You've only been waiting 25-30 years!

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Picture in post 256 isn't showing up. I thought it was the websense at work, but I tried on my phone with the same result
I can see it.
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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 10:17 AM
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I can see it.
I've tried everything I can think of, it's not a valid object, so I don't know how you're seeing it. I tried updating Chrome, using a different browser, I tried logging into outlook (since it's an outlook object), I tried opening the object in it's own window....

What is it?
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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 11:09 AM
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It's not showing up at my work either. I did use the wifes computer to upload it from my email. It just lets me copy/paste pix maybe that is it?
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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 12:02 PM
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It's not showing up at my work either. I did use the wifes computer to upload it from my email. It just lets me copy/paste pix maybe that is it?
I think so because the object location is

https://attachment.outlook.live.net/...service.svc/s/...XXXXX

Which is only available if you have access to that source. I have a hotmail account, but it is a different address than that. I am assuming that is why DynoDave43 can see it and I can't
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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 02:23 PM
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Fixed it
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Old Jun 11, 2019 | 02:30 PM
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Sweet, Thanks!
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Old Jun 12, 2019 | 08:44 PM
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The stamped steel hump for the ZF. This one had been installed into a car before and I had to strip this paint off.

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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 06:34 PM
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Soooo many small things to do yet..

Even found a 92 tpi serp belt from one of my old parts cars. It'll be a show only item.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 09:49 PM
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Looks like some pretty healthy sized ports in that intake.
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Old Jun 18, 2019 | 08:38 AM
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Every little thing you do is so detailed. Its amazing the work you put into this car. I think using the “cleaned up” old parts is much cooler than using modern stuff. Cant wait to see this finished.
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Old Jun 19, 2019 | 06:38 AM
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Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
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DD43, The ports are fairly large and taper down to a stockish intake port size but they are still 11.5" long. It does make decent power and tq numbers as is and I think the power numbers do go up a bit with runner shortening/porting.

P9 For some reason, some things I've cleaned up and other things, well, not so much. lol But thanks!

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Old Jun 25, 2019 | 07:38 AM
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Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
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A VERY hard cut to make. May even have had a tear roll down my face..


Now that's a mystery... (Chris Farley voice) Crazy but I accidently bought the correct batt cable back in 1993 or so, super dumb luck.
and yes I know it needs shrink wrap (and it's over crimped) buuut there's a reason or 2.

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Old Jun 25, 2019 | 07:47 AM
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Also, check out my T-ram gasket post #417

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/alte...ml#post6310197
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Old Jun 25, 2019 | 01:12 PM
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I'd like to see a detailed shot of the manual transmission hump, if you wouldn't mind? I have yet to tear into a 5 speed car and look at the shifter area. I am wondering what/how the end of the bracket for the console is. The auto cars that bracket comes all the way up to the front where the hole is for the detent cable and to do the shifter opening, you cut through the bracket and throw the rest away where the hole is in the hump. Does the end just flap on the 5 speed cars, or does it go down to the tunnel?
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Old Jun 25, 2019 | 09:25 PM
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I think I have an idea of what you're asking but not quite 100% sure lol
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 08:58 AM
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I think I have an idea of what you're asking but not quite 100% sure lol
I figured, lol. It makes sense in my head. The bracket for the console, it ends right behind the opening for the shifter. Could you take a shot of that? I would like to know how they did that from the factory. I have always had automatic cars that I convert to manual, so I just cut the console /shifter bracket to retain the holes for the console screws, but it just "hangs" since there is no support once it is cut.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 06:46 PM
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Re: "it" has begun....

Originally Posted by scooter
I figured, lol. It makes sense in my head. The bracket for the console, it ends right behind the opening for the shifter. Could you take a shot of that? I would like to know how they did that from the factory. I have always had automatic cars that I convert to manual, so I just cut the console /shifter bracket to retain the holes for the console screws, but it just "hangs" since there is no support once it is cut.

It's spot welded to the top of the tunnel just behind the boot.

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Old Jun 27, 2019 | 07:20 AM
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Moist
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 08:36 PM
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Painted and installed


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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 09:07 PM
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I sure hope it'll be worth it when done!!
Speaking of being worth it, any idea what your asking price will be when it’s done?
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 09:38 PM
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Speaking of being worth it, any idea what your asking price will be when it’s done?

LoL,Not really sure I would buuuuuuuuut
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 10:31 PM
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LoL,Not really sure I would buuuuuuuuut
Hahaha. Just kidding. Buuuuuut, as much attention to detail and as well as you have documented it and the process, I’m sure you could fetch a pretty penny for it. If that day ever came. Hopefully you enjoy the hell out of it. Just saying lol.
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 10:42 PM
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Getting closer and closer to being a complete car. Think it will be driving this year?
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 06:22 AM
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You gonna make it Tony?
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PurelyPMD
You gonna make it Tony?
Still planning on it, the wife and kids have been very supportive about this silly thing.

Originally Posted by QwkTrip
Getting closer and closer to being a complete car. Think it will be driving this year?
Should be running and on a trailer to Ohio within 30days.
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 07:33 PM
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Can't wait to see it!

Do you need a used Turbo muffler for it? It's still on my car, but if it would help, I'd be happy to bring it back.
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 08:24 PM
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Since this car didn't have its original hoses or all the correct clamps I had to dig some up. I do have a nice set of low mile 92 hoses but they are dated way after car was built. Can't have that, so I broke out a set of nos hoses.





Interesting aluminum waterpump offered through GM for a short time but not correct for a firehawk.



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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 08:28 PM
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Inching closer

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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 08:33 PM
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Wow!
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoDave43
Can't wait to see it!

Do you need a used Turbo muffler for it? It's still on my car, but if it would help, I'd be happy to bring it back.
Lol, That's good it went to a good home. Price was right!
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 09:30 PM
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Oh no, you can't have hoses with date codes after the car was built. What would people say?



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Oh no, you can't have hoses with date codes after the car was built. What would people say?



A travesty of epic proportion would ensue !!!!!! But thankfully, the universe didn't implode and all is well.

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Old Jul 2, 2019 | 09:42 AM
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Still planning on it, the wife and kids have been very supportive about this silly thing.


Should be running and on a trailer to Ohio within 30days.
this for the trans am nationals? wish it was closer to me I'd like to go maybe when a third gen of mine is presentable

dated hoses? some of you are wound too tight! putting 25 year old hoses is borderline wacky!
slill love your build!
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Old Jul 2, 2019 | 01:01 PM
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For the Pontiac show in Norwalk and then the T/A nats a couple weeks later.

I'm a lot wacky ! If you think old hoses are nuts, wait till you see the tires.. lol
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Old Jul 2, 2019 | 05:58 PM
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I don't see a problem... Aside from my project bird, all of my thirdgens are still rocking period correct radiator hoses...
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I don't see a problem... Aside from my project bird, all of my thirdgens are still rocking period correct radiator hoses...
had a buddy few years ago and a lower hose blew on him on highway - It covered tires and off the road he went! I was in car behind him - was an older 72 Firebird - luckily he missed a few trees and ended up in the grass and no harm done but few seconds earlier or later it could of been into bridge guardrail we just went by or worse into oncoming traffic. how likely is a hose to blow like that? not very, but same reason we don't drive on 20 year old tires - ever slipped on puddle of antifreeze? slippery as a whales d^$@

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Why you gotta go and bring my 20 year old tires into this for? LOL


Point taken. The age of my tires prohibits most highway driving right now. Everything is rolling on tires from the factory, 1998, or 2004'ish.
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I still have all of my date coded hoses (except for one heater hose). No weeping, leaking, or issues. At some point, I will replace them, and want to work on making my own stencils / stamps to reproduce the current markings.
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I've had new hoses and tires blow out to sooooo it's not a huge deal.
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Couple of random pictures

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Battery box

Wheel stripping. If you look you can see the red under the black. date coded 1991 SLP wheels.

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A older picture of the toolbox and a few parts books.
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