hey bro, what's up? we need an update on YOUR hotrod 305! been talking about mine too much lately, let us know how your doing and what you've been up to. hope the move went well and was uneventful!

 

c'mon my old 305 went 13.0 at 103 and did 11.70s on a 150 shot, does that count?

 

The move went well, well at least as well as it ever can go. Still walking around boxes in the house!! On the important side though, the car is in the garage, right outside the back door of the house May sound like nothing, but for the past year it has been 2hrs away from me and my parents garage. I got the new rockers on, and valve adjusted last night. Looking to go to the track on the 30th to see how it does, I haven't had a good trip to the track yet this year (charging problems, dizzy problems, broken rocker arms) all in that order on 3 times at the track! I think everything is finally ready to go. Hope to turn a few decent passes. I have also started to gather a few parts to get ready to upgrade the 305. 234/244 .488 .510 114 lsa, reworked 416 heads 1.94 and some cleanup on the ports, and rpm intake. Hopefully i can at least find the 12's matt!!! Right now i'd be happy with a mid 13 without the problems that i have been having. I'll keep you updated!!!

BTW how's the new job Matt!

 

excellent bro, i'm so glad to hear the move went without a hitch. my parents were both military and so i know about moving around...and what can happen during a move. sounds like the hotrod is coming right along too! i'm interested to see how she's gonna act. that new cam is really close to what i'm running, i just wished i'd see you go to a solid lifter cam...(which is what i'm running) what is the official race weight of your car now?

the new job...well, where do i begin?

i travel all over the country and canada to races in a big Class A Diesel-pusher motor home. when i'm not working, i'm chillin' on the internet, site seeing, and hangin' with my pops.

i get to see an enourmous amount of fast cars, and most days, after my responsibilities are done (i'm mainly setup and teardown) i'm able to go and hangout with the racers (we've also been doing motorsports ministry for a few years with the organizations we're showing coverage of, so i've managed to build relationships with alot of people already)and talk cars. (right now i'm hitting everyone up about suspension stuff...it's overwhelming at times, lol!)

when i do get to go home, i don't have a job or responsibilities other than what i've committed to do with other folks cars. so i spend alot of time under my hood and other's...then TO THE TRACK! guy's, i'm living the high-life!

the only complaints i have, is that there is only so much room in the coach, so i can't bring things along with me to work on during the trip (with this much spare time, i could do some polishing that needs to be done...ie wheels, and other custom aluminum pieces i've made for the car). and, i'm away from my car for long periods of time so i end up sitting on the computer, thinking up different combos for people...and wishing i was at home playin' with my toys.

and i miss my friends at home...i call them every few days just to tell them what state i'm in, lol!

xpndbl3, how come you never got that thing in the 12's n/a?

 

C'mon Matt, put one of those carrier thingys on the hitch of that motorhome and use it as a workbench! Strap parts to the roof!

KWIK 84, good luck on the project! I have not been to a track since the GA F body shootout in April (was it March?) and partly because I have been gutting and redoing a 1969 15' runabout for the family, and party because my track buddies have moved away and the local track closed- don't like driving two hours round trip all by myself in case I break my 195,000 mile tree of five!

 

if only pops would let me!

 

Sounds like a pretty good gig you got there!! Although I know that sitting around and riding can get BORING!!!!

I thought about a solid cam, just can't bring myself to do it yet, when i do though it will prolly be a solid roller.

Race weight (with me in it) ~3100 lbs. I really need to put the car on a diet! The reason it is a guess still, is cause the track scales have been closed the days that i have been there, so i took the trailer to a local grain elevator and weighed it, then went back and weighed with the car on. Doing the math it weighs 2920 + my 180 lbs=3100!!! Of course i don't know how accurate there scales are, and if i had the trailer in a differnet position You know how that goes so that is my best guess right now. Looking to get the car down the track at 2900, but i dont think that will happen without going to a tubular front end. I still have a few parts that i can pull out that i might be able to save ~100 lbs.

 

i'm down to 2910lbs without me....but i weigh 260lbs. i think it's time i put me on a diet, lol!

lets see, what do i have that you don't and what do you have that i don't? between the two of us, we can get more weight out of the car

i'll list what i've taken out and you list what you have.

-all HVAC related stuff, no vents, no heater box/core, nothing
-power steering was deleted for a manual box
-gfx delete (this is something most people won't do though)
-made a lift off hood from a stock 82 crossfire hood...thing only weighs about 15lbs. now.
-replaced carpet with ACC replacement carpet, though it's SUPER light cause it has no sound deadening materials...probably only weighs 8-10lbs...though i'm still running the factory carpet out back.
-2910lbs was with no backseat or sub, with those it's 2950lbs.
-front seats are base model seats from a 95 camaro with thirdgen manual sliders...i probably shaved 10lbs. each EASY.
-aluminum drums...another easy 5-7lbs a piece
-aluminum driveshaft
-dual exhuast with h-pipe and mufflers dumped before rearend, also, hedman longtubes
-aluminum cyilnder heads, that's worth a solid 45lbs. off the front.
-weld rodlites out back, still gotta get the matching ones for the front.
-spoiler delete (maybe 5lbs.)
i can't think of anything else, list your stuff and we'll see what else there is to take out.

 

Alright here we go....
no front bumper support or crash bar, no headlights
all ac and heater stuff is long gone
disc brakes all the way around
weld pro stars
removed all wiring out of car (rewired myself, just the necessary stuff for racing)
removed window regulators and pw motors
removed wiper motor and all wiper parts
gutted the interior, one plastic race seat, cheap carpet, no sound deading material, dash is merely a shell nothing behind it but wires and tubing for gauges
lt headers no exhaust
I do have an 8pt cage tho, gfx, and one heavy a*s hood!
steel driveshaft, with loop (of course)
manual brakes
manual steering
no tubes in slicks = a5lbs of rotating mass each
I'm sure there's more, I'll edit later if i can think of anything else.

 

how much do you figured the front bumper support and crash bar weigh? i still got mine in...i'd like to get the car down to 2900lbs with all the seats and sub (boom tube, weighs like 8lbs or so).

i'm planning:
mini starter
aluminum electric water pump (probably a proform)
mini alt. ?
tubular a-arms
gonna build some tubular lca's.
either swiss cheesing the front and rear bumper supports or taking them off completely (alittle apprehensive about that)

 

I'm guessing that it was worth 25 lbs or so. I still have the rear crash support though, not sure if i want to loose that weight out of the back end or not.

I'm looking to put in a mini starter as well, what brand? (summit $130)
prolly a elec water pump.
would like to go to a coil over front susp. and tubular a arms then later tube k member.

I still need to cut the crash supports out of the doors, and Stephen was telling me about trimming sheetmetal out of the inside where it is doubled up at, still have to look into all of that though.

 

if you check out ebay, there are normally really good deals on ministarters.

i'll be sticking with regular springs and struts...some of the classes i want to run don't allow coilovers.

crash bars are one thing i'm a little concerned about discarding since i still drive the car on the street...though less and less. i think before i spend much more money on the car, i need to buy something else to drive everyday...

 

Yeah really need a new dd that way you can put the car into full duty race service! I figure if my cage is much stronger than the factory crash bar!

I'm also thinking about switching the side glass to lexan, they don't work now anyways, I might as well use something lighter! I've also been looking at going to a full aluminum floor and trans tunnel (2pc) it will make it much easier to pull the trans. I'd also like to get a th350 as well, I know the 400 is holding me back, but not sure how much?

Maybe an smaller rad something like what Stephen is running in his iroc.

I for sure need a lighter hood, was thinking about going to a 'glass 6" cowl, maybe next year.

How much do you think the gfx delete was worth? Not that I'll do it, just curious. I like my gfx too much, it is a pain to load though, even at stock height. I will have to extend my ramps when I put on the v6 springs and cut them (I like they way your car set's) Has a nice mean stance to it!

I really need to spend some time under the car and go through and clean off all of the gunk and see if there are any items that i can get rid of. I have done it once, but always like to go back and double check myself.

 

gfx delete is suppose to be worth close to 100lbs!

i'd like to see you keep your stock floorpan/firewall and keep the torque arm. even more, i'd like to see you put some headlights back on it and keep it a "street" car. mine has to keep windows that go up and down, working headlights/taillights, blinkers, horn, wipers, and full interior. all the other creature features can come out, but it's important that it remains a "street" car. shoot, mine has power windows, door locks, mirrors, and hatch release still.

 

I thought about doing that, however the locals do not take a liking to my car! Last time it was out, I got pulled over 3 times in 10 miles I was "politely" told not too bring int back on the street, or they would start checking the car for any and all safety violations! Not to mention noise ordinances, not just exhaust either, they said the gear drive was too loud! We have also had a big problem with kids street racing around here so, I get looked at pretty hard just firing it up in the driveway, and when its on the trailer even.

That is when everything came out of the car, and it changed into the alter ego that it is today!!

The torque arm will stay though, at least until the 7.5 gives up then i'm not sure, i know that I like your 8.5 idea, just not sure if i want to fab up the mounting hardware, or move to a ladder bar susp. If i do that though any fast street style race classes are out for me. Just a full time bracket car. Would like to get the car to run well enough to run in a .9 index class, just to try and give the diggers something different to look at.

 

So are you still in the Peoria area Kwik84?

 

Now in the peoria area, all of the problems came when I was still living in the Macomb area.

 

what the heck were you doing to get pulled over 3 times in 10miles?

 

Ya I was wondering because we have been in the peoria area for almost 20 yrs and never had a problem and my car is fairly wild lol....if you ever need a hand with anything give me a yell.

 

hey flrtin1, what does your car run anyhow?

 

Last time I had it at the track (cordova) was in 88 and it had the small blower (144) and stock heads on it still at that time.I think I have a good idea where it is now (but don't have any time slips) and since we mainly drive it to cruises like the Power Tour..Woodward and such with the kids in it I don't want to put a cage in it..... so I guess the short answer would be I don't know lol.

 

you think it'd run quicker than 11.49?

 

Flirtin--where are you at in Peoria?

Matt--Actually for once, I wasn't doing anything wrong, never even got up to the speed limit actually! LOL Got stopped 4 blocks from the house for loud exhaust (which btw passed the db test!) edge of town got stopped by a county cop, cause he said that he "saw" me doing a burnout (while driving 40mph) actually it was someone burning leaves in the ditch!!!! The third was a state cop 4 miles later. He stopped me because of my hood being to high and obstruction view (actually he was right on that one). He was the one who told me to go home and park it and started to tell me what seemed at the time like a fairly long list of things that he said were in violation of code.
Really I think the biggest problem with all of them, mainly the state cop was that they all new where I was working, and the owners son was HEAVY into street racing, who was only a year younger than me. They never ever even gave me a second look though when I would drive my (now ex-wifes) 94 Z on the street cause it looked bone stock, even though it ran high 12's at the track. Go Figure!!! BTW like the addition to the sig LOL!!!!!!! I prefer eccentric though

 

lol, well, you said it needs a new hood, so put a shorter hood on it! specifically a cervini 3" cowl hood. you'll love it! it's considerably lighter than the stock hood with a scoop and it really flows with the lines of the car.

shoot, all my junk fits under a flat hood (well, it's an 82 crossfire hood that i made into a liftoff hood by cutting out the supports and shaving as much weight as possible.)

 

Gee Matt I wouldn't exactly call what you have "junk" -

I will be sacrficing some power in my S10 by retaining the Action Plus manifold and not going with an RPM Airgap or Holley Street Dominator because I refuse to put a cowl hood on it- mainly because every swing Richard with a V8 S10 around here has one!

Interesting to know Illinois has a DB measurement used for exhuaust noise- they need to have a standard, instead of the vauge wording that leaves it to the "discrescion of the officer"

 

thanks eric...

and i'd think that the holley street dominator (my personal favorite intake manifold ) would fit just fine under the stock hood with one of those mega-dropbase air filter assemblies. you know, the ones that have like a 2" drop...your gonna take it off for the track anyhow, right?

 

I found with my JET modded Q-jet that when I tried a pass or two without the 9X2" element (non drop base) I run I lost two tenths. Probably turbulent airflow to the carb did it, now if I could find a way to keep the base on or build and airpan like you I may not have that problem. Put the filter back on, got my two tenths back. I have an original L-69 dual snorkel I keep intending to put on, had that for two years, sits by the 406ci shortblock I got in '03, had machined in '04, assembled the bottom end sans camshaft (not yet purchased) in '05.....

Ahh, so many prospective projects, so little time, I have to pick one and get it done, it's the only way to do it around here.

Sorry for the hijack KWIK!

 

With some work off the line, but like I said I can't prove it so I will stay with its a fun car to drive
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Over by Coyote Creek.

 

Yeah i went with the 6" hood when i was running a predator carb (man are those things TALL) . Now that I've went back to a holley I could prolly get away with a 3 or 4".

Actually eric there isn't a true db reading actually, I was actually one of the local stereo competitions, and they were talking about stereos and what was considered to be a legal noise limit, measured in db at a distance of 10 ft. away. So after the comp, a couple of guys and myself had them measure our exhaust system.

The only thing that failed was a honda with like a 5" muffler/exhaust tip "thing". I used to be able to hear that car take off half a mile away.+

flirtin--I'm over near Detweiller Park

 

You guys know a lot about weightloss. How much does a stock Iroc hood weigh? I mean, It looks awesome, but when those hood struts go out the thing prob weights 900 lbs. I'm thinking about giving my friend my iroc gfx and hood for his sport coupe gfx and some cash

 

sport coupes don't come with gfx (well, they did in 1988, but they are the same as the IROC gfx) and the hoods are about the same weight, right around 100lbs.

 

hey KWIK, did you get it to the track this evening?

 

Funny that you should bring that up! Yes I did make it to the track, I was the 3rd pair last night. I blew the slicks away off of the line which let the car in the right lane get around me, started to pull him in the top of first, pulled second gear, and the car got loose AGAIN, he came back around me, just as i was starting to come back around him and pull high gear...I noticed out of the corner of my eye that the back end of the car that I was up against went about 3ft in the air, I got HARD on the brakes, as the back end of the car came back down his right rear tire came off!! The tire the rolled down the track aways, flipped up into the air and......you guessed it... hit my car on the corner of the A-pillar breaking the windshield and shattering the t-top and glass came raining down in on me. I walked away with only a few minor cuts from the glass. The car is back home now, I need a d.s t-top and a new windshield and then I will be back out. BTW the car did go 8.97 @ 77 in the eight, I don't know how accurate that # really is though cause that is right about where everything went bad. Should have some better #'s in a few weeks. I will post some pic's of what teh car looks like this weekend.

 

oh my goodness!!!!! glad to hear that you escaped with only minor minor injuries! is the guy who forgot to torque his lugnuts gonna replace that ttop and windshield?

 

Yeah the kid who was driving, his dad is gonna replace both, thinking about going lexan for the windshield! According to the track officials and the marks in the track 3" wide x 5" deep!!!! his traction bars broke/came loose when he shifted into high gear, and that is how it all started.

We exchanged ph#'s and addresses at the track, he told me to get a hold of him with the estimates. Still have no idea how the tire came loose, the ******* left one stayed on only the right one came off!!!!

His dad said that they just put a 1600 dollar ati trans in the car this week, and it is now broke in half!!!

Hopefully I will be back on the track back in a few weeks!!

How's the racin, or should i say workin' goin' for you?

 

holy crap! glad to hear they are going to work with you on this deal seeing as it's on them anyway.

oh, and keep the glass in that car....

playi...i mean workin' is going great! we're at Toronto Motorsports Park this weekend at another OSCA race (Ontario Street Car Association) and let me tell ya, once my dad gets a new trailer, i'll be making as many of these races as i can. all these guys are so great up here and the commaradery is reminding me why i like fast street car racing so much. one of my new friends here i just found out he just got the record in his True Street mustang. great guy named Steve. his F1R procharged sbf powered street legal mustang just put down an 8.43 @ 168mph on a dot Hoosier tire...the mph is good for 8.20's for sure once he can get it to work on the bottom end of the track.

 

on an earlier subject of the electric water pump...i got my Proform pump about a month ago(though i have not used it yet) it is really nice and is really light i would recommend to anyone

 

can you compare it(weight wise) to a stock iron pump with pulley on it for me?

 

Def. would like to know the weight diff.

Matt, glad to here the job is going so well, if only all of us could be so lucky!!

Prolly will keep the glass, depending on the price, I found a lexan windshield for 187.00 I'm calling the glass company Monday to see what they would charge to replace to replace, right now, even though, I'm not paying, price rules!!! BTW do you have any extra tops in case he can't come up with any Maybe some gfx while ur at it

 

no ttops, but hold on, let me go find a link to a guy that has some in South Carolina for like $30 a piece, he deals in 3rd and 4th gen stuff.

here it is, 'bout halfway down the page:
LS1 stage 2 Have stock valves and springs

i got my windshield for like $140ish i want to say from SafeAuto

as far as the job, man, let me tell ya, God really blessed me with this one. i don't deserve the way He treats me and yet He still shows His love and grace with me. this job just reminds me how much He loves us and wants us to have the desires of our hearts. don't think my life is perfect by any stretch of the imagination. and i know it won't always be this easy...and my boss is bi-polar and so there is some times when he yells and it's really akward for me cause i've never had a job with a boss that yells at me....and honestly, i don't really take it well...but it's worth it cause i get to see all kinda of cool cars and learn how things work...when i'm not taking care of my responsibilities...

 

sorry my stock iron pump is long gone, but i did just sell my stewart aluminum pump and i would say it was around 1 to 2 pounds less than that. and between the stock starter and my new mini starter i would say at LEAST 5lbs. Hope this helps

 

the stock starter is right around 21lbs...most mini starters are 8-10 lbs...

 

my csi/csr electric pump weighs in @7.5 pounds
my stock steel pump without pully weighs in at 10.4 pounds

keep in mind it's not just weight that made me get it. less rotational mass is the key. (crank no longer driving pump)
if you are trying to get every ounce of umpf out of your car its a must.

 

well, i know that i gained 1.5 tenths when i put an electrical drive on the stock pump...but it doesn't spin it fast enough to keep it happy on the street so that's why i want to go to the pro-form pump.

 

Well, as promised here are a few pics of the damage!!

 

AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! I hate rain!!! was planning on running the car tonight but the track is rained out!! I'll have to try again next weekend, hoping for a low 13 pass though.

 

yeah i feel ya! i'm at the NSCA event in Morocco right now and it's been sprinklin' all frickin' afternoon! ARGH! hey kwik, how far is US 41 from you? if not too far ya oughtta head out here tomorrow! i don't have my car, but i'm hangin' out pretty much all day!

 

GFX 100lbs.???

 

I should have come over, it's only about 2.5 hrs away. I was looking at that on the web. I have a friend who lives on the il/in border, and is close enough that he can here the cars running at the track on a quiet night.

 

...slacker....it was a good night of racing too!