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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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Anybody seen this stuff

http://www.g-forcesuspension.com/images/GFFBLBC_03.jpg

Check it out here:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread...ghlight=wright

Here is a vid of a similar setup:

http://www.fastchip.com/Ed-995.wmv

Here's another:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176456

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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 11:59 PM
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Hmmm, can't be any good, he bulbed. . .

Interesting concept.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:18 AM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

maybe something similar to the lakewood ones....
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:35 AM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

Originally Posted by WheelsUp84z
maybe something similar to the lakewood ones....
Not !
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:56 AM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

few of those ls1 guys have been running good numbers with them, although only 1 person has reported back after a year, stating he had no issues, haven't seen a long term test with them on the street.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 06:49 AM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

Originally Posted by Dyno Don
Not !
yep i didnt really look at anything besides the pic so i went strickly off of that. i noticed it eliminates the TA, interesting.
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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They only list the kits for 4th gens. Any reason it wouldn't work for us?
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

Well after further review....forget it!
It would bind up the system on cornering.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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They make it sound streetable. How did you come to the binding conclusion?
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Old Sep 3, 2007 | 12:31 PM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

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They make it sound streetable. How did you come to the binding conclusion?
Well, just thinking about it, if the top of each side (of the housing) is connected to the lower arm, when one side of the body is lifted, the other side is going to try and lift too. Hence, great for straight maybe, but not for cornering. If you can invision the front of the control arm is going up when the body lifts, that would cause the axle to try and twist, thereby lifting the other side.
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Old Sep 3, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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I figured the Heim joints would take care of any possible binding.
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Old Sep 3, 2007 | 11:06 PM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

thats interesting stuff.. its kinda like a mini ladder bar setup..
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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

Yea, a while ago.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/susp...orque-arm.html

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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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I don't frequent the Suspension forum that often, I'll have to admit.

I didn't see anything in that other thread other than hearsay about why they wouldn't work, while the people that had seen it used said it worked great. So, who you gonna believe?
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 12:17 PM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

I wouldnt see why it wouldnt work, 4th gen rear suspension is the same as 3rd gens.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 02:49 PM
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I agree their ladder bars would fit on a 3rd gen, even though they only list them for '93-'02. The discussion in the other thread was whether they would work (i.e., too short to properly transfer force/weight). People were making bold statements against them without any experience with the setup at all. I disagree with their premises, and one person has first-hand experience with them that they do work as advertised. Then right after his testimony somebody else joins the chorus with the first two saying they won't work!

The discussion in this thread was whether they would bind. Since the upper link is free to move in the body "twist" directions, it isn't going to bind. The lower link is no different than a stock link, except it is more rigid to twist, but still no different than boxed or aftermarket round or square tubing, used by many, many members here, with no reports of such problems. So, I don't see how they would cause binding on the street (corners).

The torque arm does one thing well - keeping the rear from rotating under torque. It stinks at everything else.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 04:10 PM
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I dont see how it would bind either. In theory, not much different from the SSM lift bars, just different manner of preventing axle rotation.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

OK...picture this...

Place a rear end with a 3-point ladder bar setup on the ground, have someone stand on the front of the left bar, now try to lift the front of the right bar....what happens?

You won't be able to lift the right front without twisting the rear housing.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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Example housing:
Attached Thumbnails Anybody seen this stuff-example-rear.jpg  
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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Ah, even more roll control!
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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Re: Anybody seen this stuff

no need for an upgraded rear sway bar either..
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 01:15 AM
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Probably just take it off, dead weight.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:59 AM
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I already planned on welding the axle tubes.
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