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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 12:59 AM
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Gains from a 150 shot...

Right now, i am at 7.6 at 95 MPH, so i am trying to see what my MPH gain will be with a 150 **** plate kit i have.

Basically, i had a buddy goof off that i want to run in his procharged vette, show a slow **** time slip of 14 seconds and 13 seconds in the 1/4, well, i am not dumb, i want to know how i stack up as it is since i want to strip him of his dignity with my old **** POS third gen(guy is a vette or nothing lover), his slip revealed all i needed to know.

He went 7.57 at 105 MPH, so on gas in the 1/8 i would no doubt have him covered, but in the long stretch in the 1/4, i am sure he would nto be able to run me down, but what MPH gain might i get from a addtional 150 shot in the 1/8th? I think 10 more MPH is not asking too much from that mught gas, but i have never sprayed a car that ran 95 all motor so i dont know what kind of MPH gain to expect, i have sprayed 305s and mild stock 350s and it was good, but the faster you are going, you pretty much start gaining less.

So, is 10 more MPH possible? Or better? Worse? I am sure some of you would know pretty well how much one might get from a single plane with a decent cam on a 110 LSA.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

I doubt you'll pick up 10 MPH in the 1/8.

HP required goes up exponentially the faster you go. A 150 shot in a 15 second vehicle is a huge increase. A 150 shot in a 13 second vehicle is a mild increase. If I had NOS on my car and gave it a 150 shot, it would only be a small increase.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 09:05 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

I went from a high 12 to a mid eleven on a 150 shot back in the day.

Got a buddy right now that goes 11.5 at 118 on motor and 10.58 @ 128 on 150 shot.

7.6 is a high eleven so I would say you could go very high 10's (high 6's) on a 150 shot.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

I ran 11.4 at 118-119 1/4, which is 7.3's at 93mph in the 1/8 with my old 383.

150 rated hit went 10.63 at 126.7 withthe bottle running low. Has trapped 128.x with full bottle. That was a 6.76 at 101.6 mph 1/8 mile but has hit almost 103mph in the 1/8

So i gained almost 10mph in the 1/8 alone, but its common to see 8mph.
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Well, that should be enough to capitolize on the vette. As i have whooped his **** on motor and Orr90, that is what i wanted to hear, i would go 200 if i had to but it is just a sniper kitt hat goes to 150 i scored for 100$ a while back, used it with the 100 pills on the stock L98 and it rolled out ok, but this thing has allot better everything and i know it can take advantage of the gas.

Orr89RocZ, how much bottle pressure were you running?
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

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I doubt you'll pick up 10 MPH in the 1/8.

HP required goes up exponentially the faster you go. A 150 shot in a 15 second vehicle is a huge increase. A 150 shot in a 13 second vehicle is a mild increase. If I had NOS on my car and gave it a 150 shot, it would only be a small increase.

Yea, that is what i was saying. The faster you go, the more it takes just to go a little faster.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

7.6@92 BEST on motor
7.0@100 BEST on N20

This car was very limited on the top end due to the intake, so I think you will hit 103 or so on a 150
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

I've been 7.44 on motor and 6.7XX on 125 shot. However, the night I ran 6.76 I was running 7.5X on motor.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 10:18 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Get the car to hook and you won't need the extra 150 shot. You'll be so far in front of him on the hit he'll never catch you. This is how I schooled guys running 126 in the quarter when I was only going 112.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 10:22 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

The run will likely take place on the street.

I should hook better than him on the street and track, he hit a 2.0 on the track.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by NufNuffZ28
7.6@92 BEST on motor
7.0@100 BEST on N20

This car was very limited on the top end due to the intake, so I think you will hit 103 or so on a 150
Well, looks like 8-10 MPH is the average gain.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Some cars respond better to nitrous than others.

i ran between 900-950 psi. I think the kit was rated for those pressures. I ended up running 75 shot fuel jets and 150 shot nitrous jets to lean it out near 12.0 to 1.

87TA's car picks up a ton on spray. He was 11.0-11.1's at 124-ish with the motor with 6 spd. On a 150 I think he went 10.08 at 138 mph end of the year in good maryland air. SICK
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 02:02 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

well don't go from a roll. i think even with a 150 shoot you'll loose. go from a dig on a prepped surface and he'll never get anywhere near you.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

a 150 shot on slicks would take my car from 7.20-.30's@96ish to 6.20-.30's.@108-110ish.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by mw66nova
well don't go from a roll. i think even with a 150 shoot you'll loose. go from a dig on a prepped surface and he'll never get anywhere near you.

That is the plan, whoop him from a stop and never let him think of catch up.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

TTT

just went a 6.26 with a 1.312 60' on the 275 radials......

WITH A 100 SHOT! lmao!

the new plate seems to work pretty well. i didnt run it on motor, but i bet its picking up a full second with that little shot. it also stumbled twice down track due to a progressive fart which i havent figured out yet.
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Old Oct 29, 2010 | 11:22 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Mine bogged on motor tonight since i dumped it more than slip it the first pass, but i got a 7.5 all motor with the 1.7 60.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

On a125 hp shot, I went from 11.89 @ 112mph to 10.90 at 121mph.....
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

EFI or carbed?
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
EFI or carbed?
shouldnt matter.....
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

A single plain intake for a carb usually yields extra gains in some cases, EFI can some times not his as hard and what not, every car is different so it really doesnt matter.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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The '57 went from 13.3's @ 100 to 12.0's @ 110 up here on a 100 shot at the hit. Don't recall the change in 1/8 mile, but it was significant, as was the 60'.

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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

1.3 secs from a 100 is good, but at a 100 MPH trap speed, i would not be so lucky already hitting 95 in the 1/8th.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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Yeah, my stuff's pretty lame.

(But that was in a 3900 lb car...)
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

not to mention at altitude lol.



my car picks up around .7 to the eighth on a 100 shot, from 9.2x-8.5x. they mph stays the same because the 700r4 wouldn't shift so there's more in it for sure
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:20 AM
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Mine natural runs 11.2, but with a 100 shot at the throttle body has run a best of 10.1 @ 138.

The new Direct Port w/ a 2 stage kit should produce lower ETs.

The goal is 100 shot on take off, 2nd gear 200 shot comes on & the 1st 100 turns off. 3rd gear the first 100 comes back on.
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The goal is 100 shot on take off, 2nd gear 200 shot comes on & the 1st 100 turns off. 3rd gear the first 100 comes back on.
Whoa, I hope SRP can hold that!

(Or are they just calling it "Sacramento Raceway" now?)
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by 3rdBird
Mine natural runs 11.2, but with a 100 shot at the throttle body has run a best of 10.1 @ 138.

The new Direct Port w/ a 2 stage kit should produce lower ETs.

The goal is 100 shot on take off, 2nd gear 200 shot comes on & the 1st 100 turns off. 3rd gear the first 100 comes back on.

That is allot of work, LOL.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

with a nitrous controller it won't be any work. he's not flipping switches on the way down the track i'm sure...
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
A single plain intake for a carb usually yields extra gains in some cases, EFI can some times not his as hard and what not, every car is different so it really doesnt matter.
mine is a single plane intake and its also injected. i hit mine with a 150 off the tbrake a couple weeks back and here's what it did.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/oops_2086216.htm

the audio is not right- i pedaled it and then hit it again as it was coming back down, but it sounds like i didnt hit it until i had landed.
1.42 with the rears, and the fronts came back down 80-100ft out. lol
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by five7kid
Whoa, I hope SRP can hold that!

(Or are they just calling it "Sacramento Raceway" now?)
Yea, its still called Sacramento Raceway.

On Grudge night theres cars running high 7's & low 8's. Theres usually 6.50 pro mods & dragsters at bigger events.

I'm running the Accel Gen 7, it can control 4 stages of nitrous. I've had alot of help from Theo @ Wizard Racing, He's the tuner for Chris Alston Jr.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by mw66nova
with a nitrous controller it won't be any work. he's not flipping switches on the way down the track i'm sure...

Yea, installing and tuning all off that, that is allot of work to me. Flipping switches for that would be insanely inconsistent as well.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

The earlier you can bring it on, the bigger the gain will be. With the spray combo I come out of the gate with over 500hp and no progressive...lol. Being as though it was set-up for spray, the combo is a total dog w/o it.

If you can't leave with your right foot on the floor, then you can gain more there than turning on a small kit 60+ feet out.


As Orr89RocZ eluded to, the tune-up will make a huge difference as well. NOS has completely revamped their reccomended tune-ups for most of their systems in the past year or so. As it was it was comon for the carb kits to start off reversed of what they reccomended.





Side note: Always run your bottle pressure around 900 psi and tune accordingly. Any more will have too drastic of pressure change through the run, thus resulting in an overly rich tune on the big end.

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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

i run 7.2x @ 98 and 11.2 @120 on motor. on a 150 shot 6.5x @ 106 and 10.2 @ 135 with a NX plate
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

15mph with a 150 shot, must be quite the nitrous combo....good job!
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Only gaining 8 mph in the 1/8th makes me think he is not getting on the juice off the line. But 15 total on the back? Bad ****.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

spray comes on when i release the trans brake.(not progressive) i have been running the same JW converter for 7 years . back then i had a 355 with a pro race fogger. now it a 408 with a plate, it always has left soft and pull hard on top. my best 60 foot is a 1.48 on a 10.12 135 run.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

i'd get a modern converter for it and i'd bet you'd be into the 9's easily
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

i was running a ~$350 JW converter in my car up until this past year when i bent the fins backwards in it. 60's fell off from 1.35ish to 1.45-1.50ish. also lost a couple mph.
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Re: Gains from a 150 shot...

Originally Posted by DIGGLER
i was running a ~$350 JW converter in my car up until this past year when i bent the fins backwards in it. 60's fell off from 1.35ish to 1.45-1.50ish. also lost a couple mph.
JW makes a good product, but nothing yet that's really designed for the outlaw type stuff. A buddy of mine made 6+ fins completely "dissappear" twice in his JW before he changed brands.

We sent a high dollar Coan in to them to be checked out a few years back; kept getting trash in the tb circuit, the car was staying steady in the 4.7x range even with more blower thrown at it, and it had burnt the paint off itself a couple times. - Got a call back from a tech and the first words out of his mouth were "this thing MOVED????" -
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Sep 27, 2015 12:31 AM




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