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Old 11-29-2017, 10:14 PM
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headers $2000 GOING Big Block!

so it looks like the headers are going to run almost $2000 for the 2 1/8 inch tube into a 4 in collector..a drop in the bucket..the big block with aluminum block is going to run $21.000 (615cid 925HP) don't know what it will be with EFI..same ball park I hope..
http://www.lemonsheaders.com/prices.htm

this is the plan..when the 2nd house sells.....

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You could also look at Ed Quay headers but there isn't a huge difference in price.
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Cue the "that's a rip off" responses
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Wow. Those things are works of art.
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You could also look at Ed Quay headers but there isn't a huge difference in price.
if his website is ever up...lol.
going to be Ceramic coated inside and out..thats why the $2000 price ($1975) ball park..the aluminum block is $4000 more then the cast iron Motown...I chatted with Dan L..looking forward to getting them..

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I had a set of Lemons headers made for my car back in 2000 (Tri-Y for big block). It was $1200 back then for plain steel, so not surprised about the $2000 price these days.
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what are the plans for the chassis/trans/etc?
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what are the plans for the chassis/trans/etc?

back when the car was brand new..I had Currie Enterpises do a 9"rear end..then SSM subframe and liftbars added. before I sent it off to lingenfelters for there stage 5 383 up grade...with a start of a 6/8 point bar..install...(more of that to install..)

have test fit..just about every bodys parts..sticking with the ones I feel. are what I want..(but can swap out on a seconds notice)lol

today the car has all tube front end (Kmember..A arms)
Viking Crusader coil overs.. wildwood 6 piston front brakes.
QAI rear coil overs.& panrod rear disk PBR. on the 9"
aftermarket aluminum fuel tank (in place of stock)
trans..have 3..the 3rd is iffy..
1st close ratio 700R4 all billet parts. rev patrn.whats not billet as been cryo treated
$2800 in sonax hard parts..and GM parts..
w/trans brake carbon fiber drive line (will order) drive line after install..
converters billet

2nd TH400 w/trans brake ($2500) if I have to..and C/F drive line made to order..

3rd power glide..w brake about the same as the th400..price wise..
converters billet

rear gears to deep I think..but can fix that..with just buyn a new set..
have on hand 3 aluminum 3rd members ..with 4.11 4.30 4.56 gears all w/Detroit Lockers (I prefer lockers)
tires M/t Drag radials 325 50 15...or sportsmen pro 29x13.5x15 car is set up for them to be tucked under..mini tub if you will.
its just a street car for weekend fun...at this point..
power windows
tilt
full interior
stock sound system CD player (as new)









found a brand new CD unit for my car. keeping it simple..

this eng will be a what you call a wall hanger.....(when the 2nd house sells) 11.1 427 SBC..cant even use the pully set up on the 615bbc buying the same set up..but for the bbc..



on a side note..the NOS system.a 2 plate set up. will go under the duel throttle bodys by Fitech on the polished bbc tunnel ram.(sort ram)..about 10" high..
I did dig up a accel supper ram for the bbc...but it will just choke the 615 bb...even with a mono blade TB.. it sorta looks like a big stelth ram..lol I wanted to go 632 BBC..but nobody makes a pully and bracket set up for the water pump I want to run.. so I had to stay with a standard deck block...sucks..on a good note..it should all fit under the new hood...

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the new hood..soon to be painted..


if I have to ill have a intake made to fit under the hood... if it is to tall..

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LOL! And $2000 for headers is only a drop in the bucket.

So when anyone sees a completely built hot rod for sale with a $40,000+ price tag, you need to realize exactly what goes into making something like that and the price is probably still a good deal.
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LOL! And $2000 for headers is only a drop in the bucket.

So when anyone sees a completely built hot rod for sale with a $40,000+ price tag, you need to realize exactly what goes into making something like that and the price is probably still a good deal.
when doing it a 2nd or 3rd time ..I would look for a roller..guys sell them for cheap...$9000 to $15.000 all the time...this would save about 10 grand... on doing the hard stuff..

but with this one..iv had the car from Day1 and put the first miles on it...and a few bucks..

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Agreed. If I had to do it all over again, I'd buy someone elses tube chassis car providing it has a current chassis certification.

As for my car, I look at it as MY race car. Nobody can look at it and say it was someone elses race car. I bought it as a street car and never drove it on the street. It was driven to my place and the plates were removed. Towed it to the shop the next day and gutted it for racing.
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Awesome Stuff Artic,
I have been eyeballing the Viking stuff for a while. I think I too will end up with front and rear coil over setups from them. They look like jewelry lol When I spoke with Viking they were pretty cool to deal with!

I called ed quay a while back (last summer) and it looked like they would be in the 1200 range still. looked like 695 base price plus options.


Looking at those pictures has me like a kid in a candy store and it isn't even my stuff lol
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I don't know for sure in the tunnel ram is going to fit..iv been looking for pics on the net.og 3rd gens with rams on them to get a idea of what I have to work with..
I can always buy 2 drop base air cleaners and cut and tig them together to fir air cleaner/cleaners on top...but I think it might be close.... I want to use my bolt on 5" cowl hood..as I don't want anything sticking out..or to buy a 3rd hood..

the polished ram runs a grand....if its not going to clear..then it becomes a wall hanger..and then $2900 in to a sheet metal intake made just for me...its a bit much..but I want what I want...

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orderd the victor tunnel ram today polished..should see it in a few weeks.should have almost 3" over the top of the TBs when installed.. room to have a drop base air cleaner. to get the cowl hood to work..with air pan for the drop base...
I can drop it down about 1 1/2" more by making a sheet aluminum top with just the NOS plates for the TBs to sit on..

THIS without carbs...but with Fitech duel TBs ontop


ontop of this...for a bit more. get up....(also this will be a aluminum block) so it just like having a small block in the car..but with a bit more power..

925 hp and a tad over 800fptq...then add a small shot of nos at times......pump gas...sounds like fun....

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Been hearing good things about the Shafiroff engines. Sounded like he has a nice operation and was on the ball about getting his product out. People over on the Bullet have said he has short order times.
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I have talked to them a few times on doing a 1000hp big block..with out power adders..just want brute force..then top it off with a bit of NOS..to make up for the drive train power loss.. $20.000 ball park price for what I want..all that on pump gas...

all the other parts are just a day of ordering... will have the intake and Fiteach set up first..then eng...then headers..im keeping the fingers crossed I don't have to drop $2900 for a custom intake..but if I do.. ill get it set up for this eng rpm..

my home grown all aluminum ZL1 big block...lol

to this day march and billet specialties do not make a bracket and pully set up for the tall deck big blocks...so I'm stuck with a standard deck big block...or I would go with a 632bbc and go from there...feel my pain...

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I have talked to them a few times on doing a 1000hp big block..with out power adders..just want brute force


Power adder engines especially those 5.3 or 6.0L LS engine pumping out 1500+ HP with some turbos sure is nice but stuff like that doesn't work well enough for a consistent bracket race setup. NOS can be made relatively consistent but bottle pressure needs to be the same on every pass for that to happen.

Brute force HP should change very little from pass to pass.

My engine is punched out to 588 inches using a short deck Dart block. If I wanted to go bigger, a tall deck block needs to be used. A 632 would be nice especially if you build it for pump gas in a street car. That's a lot of displacement to make power even with a lower compression engine.

Never had mine on a dyno but I'd guess the engine is making around 1000HP but I also race at altitude so performance numbers are always lower. Technically, a naturally aspirated engine should peak out in the 1000-1200HP range unless you're doing something like a Pro Stock engine.

If I ever wanted to go to a bigger engine or had to replace the one I have, I'd be using SR20 heads just to help make more power.

As for your tunnel ram height, stuffing it all under the cowl is going to be difficult. I have a low cowl grafted onto an OEM fiberglass hood. I them mounted a low aero scoop onto that. The twin toilets just fit under all that without air filters. There was roughly 2" clearance to the underside of the scoop. I also have my engine dropped as low as it will go. Steering linkage prevents me from dropping the engine lower.



There's a tunnel ram under that but no air filters

I found the aero scoop grabs a lot of air and lifts the back of the hood up so I took it off in favor of an engine mounted scoop.



It's also much easier to look around this type of scoop than it is to try and look over a 6" cowl. I had a 6" cowl on my car briefly. I though it really sucked.

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engine/nitrous combo would casually cruise into the 4's in the 1/8 in a car setup for that.
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I'm running a 6" cowl I probably set up higher than you because it doesn't seem to be a problem and picked the lowest ram made... with the ram I can drop the TBs down 1 and 1/2 inch more with a sheet aluminum top...we will see..im thinking your right...might be to tall..but all I need is 1 inch...keeping fingers crossed..if all fails..sheet metel intake!! made to order $2900

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Anyone with a big block Chevy standard deck in their car... can you measure from your intake manifold bolt to the top of the cow above the distributor where the hood seal would meet...

trying to get a reference measurement to get a ballpark within a half inch
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I don't have a hood seal any more. All that cowl area has been removed.
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Spoke with a manufacturer today... currently everybody's at the show... I'm having an intake made Ram Style with 4 inch runners with a dual top sheet metal $2300
with the water passages fittings that I want...

it cost me a hundred bucks to cancel my order on the polished Victor tunnel ram intake.... but now I'll have exactly something I know will fit... and the cool Factor will be off the charts...

(UPDATE: I got all my money back..from the flyby night guys tryn to keep $100 for not having it in stock)

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I'd love a sheet metal intake even if the performance gain was minimal. There's always the weight saving. My cast tunnel ram is heavy.
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this is the place...Hogan wanted $2900..
I let them know and they told me $2300...lol
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I'd love a sheet metal intake even if the performance gain was minimal. There's always the weight saving. My cast tunnel ram is heavy.

I completely forgot about that weight savings...makes up for the money lost
going to add the water cross over thermostat housing and temp bungs... short runners for the heads rectangle port.
and the top set up for the 4150 base x 2 all at a total height of 8" this should be less then a stealth ram in height..add the duel TBs on top I should have 4+ inch's for a air cleaner set up..sorta like mini ram but made of sheet aluminum..

the 502 ramjet intake is almost 11" tall

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This is what currently sits on my block. With the toilets, there's no fuel in the plenum. Injector nozzles are at the base of the runners.

The flying toilets are bolted down in the Dominator pattern. They're 4.1" butterfly that flow 1800 CFM each.

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This is what currently sits on my block. With the toilets, there's no fuel in the plenum. Injector nozzles are at the base of the runners.

The flying toilets are bolted down in the Dominator pattern. They're 4.1" butterfly that flow 1800 CFM each.

what ya got there about 30lbs that's a stack of parts.

this is sorta what I'm doing its a full 4 inches shorter.then your victor... with the nos plates..thats the plan
having the eng builders send a set of intake gaskets to the intake builders to port match to what they do..


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I don't think you'll have much of a problem stuffing that under a 6" cowl. It looks like the top of that manifold is about the same height as the top of the runners on mine.

The downside to this tunnel ram is that I need to pull it off the engine to pull the engine out of the car. The ceiling of my garage isn't tall enough to put in an overhead crane and an engine hoist won't lift high enough if it sits just above the toilets. Pulling the intake allows the engine hoist to attach much closer to the block and I can easily lift it over the fenders with the tires sitting on the ground.

I like the idea I saw in another post with a removable rad support. You don't need to lift the engine as high to pull it out.

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with the small blocks I can install the eng and tranny as one unit...always did the intake when the eng was in the car..the Big block will be aluminum..so the wt will be close to a small block..i have one of the crank eng chains so I can do all the tilt and stuff when installing...



its not going to be the same...ever...
I don't know why I did not do this from the start...lol

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so the new block is 9.855 tall Aluminum with brodix 380 heads. Crower Stainless Steel Shaft Rocker.mech roller.(like it better). custom intake. with fitech duel TBs. and Dan Lemon headers.. that's the bulk of it...with a 10.5 to 1 CPR.
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Should be able to easily put you in the 8 second range especially at a sea level track.
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The car only Has 6 point bar system... with the door bars in.. I send my intake and all the EFI/MSD off To Shafroff.. they install Dyno and tune it.. and send it back to me for install into the car... of course at the track with the car lacking the bars required to go as fast as the car is capable of.. I'll sandbag it.. till the last run of the night I'll see what the car can do and I'm sure they'll say I can't run it anymore until I make the upgrades to the bars... but that's only if I can get the car to hook as it's still a small tire car at this time.. drag radials..325.50.15.slicks 13.5x28x15. I know the car will stand up because it did that with the small block.. and under 500 horsepower... it's going to be interesting to see what it does with double the horsepower.. and a 250 shot of nitrous on top of it...
hoping for a mid 9 shifting it 6800.... it's still Just A 3240lb Streetcar...

the engine I picked out is 925 horsepower with a single dominator with over 800 foot pounds of torque.. adding a better ignition system a fuel injection system with a better sheet metal intake to it ..I'm hoping not to hurt the horsepower and torque rating but actually improve it.. even if only by 10 horsepower...Shafroff is excited to try the intake and fi Tech dual system.. they're telling me that they typically a 30hp increase with fuel injection...we will see.. but it is going to also receive 1 NOS plate under each throttle body. Set at 125 each plate with a progressive ramp up to the 125.. when the throttles are first opened all the way...

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adding a better ignition system
Just about any ignition system will do just fine. I still use an old Holley Annihilator ignition system. I have an 800-200 system in the car and have an 800-300 system ready to install if I ever need it. It just has a lot more options that I currently don't need to use. Holley ignition is obsolete but it was well ahead of it's time when it came out. I also use an MSD distributor that's been locked out and I use a crank trigger.

The system for people who make a lot of power plus have power adders now is the MSD Grid. It's expensive but will do anything you can think of that an ignition system would need to do.
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also using a MSD that's locked out. to work with the fitech system.
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I got a tall deck in mine with a victor type efi single plane and 90 deg wilson elbow. 4" cowl wont clear it i dont think. It might sit out a tiny bit
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Just about any ignition system will do just fine. I still use an old Holley Annihilator ignition system. I have an 800-200 system in the car and have an 800-300 system ready to install if I ever need it. It just has a lot more options that I currently don't need to use. Holley ignition is obsolete but it was well ahead of it's time when it came out. I also use an MSD distributor that's been locked out and I use a crank trigger.

The system for people who make a lot of power plus have power adders now is the MSD Grid. It's expensive but will do anything you can think of that an ignition system would need to do.

Not to side track the post, but do you know anyone who might be interested in an 800-200 box, another spare box and a laser shot coil. I'm afraid to advertise them because almost no one knows what they are. I just pulled it off my car.
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I'd say to put it on ebay and hope for the best.

There's someone usually trying to sell a 800-300 system on ebay from time to time and he wants $3500. I sent him a message saying it's only worth $500-$600 max and he got all pissed off at me. I'd buy a new MSD system for less than $3500 before I bought that one.

I don't check for the 800-200 systems since I already have one but an 800-300 pops up once or twice a year.
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Keeping it simple. all the parts working together(MSD/Fitech) as a unit..and all new Parts..

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Maybe I overlooked it but what MSD setup are you putting into the car?

After changing over to the full MSD Grid setup I would not go back. It works slick!

Also an NOS combo can be very bracket friendly if you are decent at tuning it.

Mine will run within .03 all day long even with changes in weather. Just make sure bottle pressure and your tune up is consistent.

Very curious how the fitech will work. I have been eyeballing their one for ls setups that is self tuning and can accept up to 30 psi.

Your over in Spokane right? Sounds like I may need to bring my thirdgen over to a track night there to check yours out! lol
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have ta full MSD set up.. 6BTM box as I was going with boost.. but as I'm selling a house I don't need. I can now just do brute power big block..I have run NOS. in the past.with a fogger set up..but just keeping it simple and doing 2 plates..set @ 125 to 150ea..nothing big..it will be with a box that will ramp up to full power..as the tune will permit. and still hooked/traction.... I was in Spokane...I'm in Hayden Lake now...bigger house and shop..

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doing 2 plates..set @ 125 to 150ea..nothing big.
That's what I would do. Don't really need a dual 300 shot but a couple of 150's is enough to give you that little extra speed. I'd need a system from Nitrous Express because they have a system designed specifically for alcohol. No gasoline for the nitrous. Just plumbed to an alcohol source using an electric pump to mix with the nitrous. A dual plate kit is right around the $1000 range. That's not counting the cost of a nitrous controller to time and ramp up the shot. Since I launch with the throttle already at WOT, I don't need the nitrous to come on until after I'm moving. I make too much torque already.
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the Nos plates and set up. is coming off the small block.seen below. notice the 2 plates under the TB..have all the Nos parts at this time...ea plate gets a bracket. to hold the 2 Solenoids it needs....1 set at the front..and 1 set at the back.on the sheet metel intake..that's the plan..
the Nitrous controller..has just about every thing I could want....it was not cheap..

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Could simplify it with one big plate for the bbc, 225-250 shot and use a progressive controller
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Could simplify it with one big plate for the bbc, 225-250 shot and use a progressive controller
using a custom-made sheet metal intake with dual throttle bodies.. each throttle body is getting a plate under it..
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Ahh I got ya. I didnt read that right
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didn't want other fogger... for longevity purposes has the stainless steel fogger lines have a tendency to crack.. about every year... they're easy to Find... just inconvenient at the track.. will you have to break out your tubing Bender and a piece of line that I would always keep handy...
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What did the car turn with the small block?
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What did the car turn with the small block?
the 383 ran 11.70s off the bottle..and as low as 10.80s with the bottle. back in the 90s.. the 427 sbc pic above never made it into the car..
pic of car in 1992 as it came back from lingenfelters with there stage 5 383 upgrade..

close up of the fogger on the supper ram..

this 427 sbc will become a wall hanger..


cant use any thing off the small block..but the alt and..power steering pump..and I'm using a billet pump...lol
new hood added this year..not yet painted..


the new big block is a sorta upgraded all aluminum ZL1 to 615 cid and 925+ hp.for a street car..to look something like this...without the hocky stripe...and tubes sticking out the front fenders..the colore is right!..notice the stance..



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upgrades...to keep going to the track...with the new upgrades (big block)


so picking up a few more parts...like a 2nd bumper cover..as I don't want to cut a hole in the one that came on my car..

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