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Old 07-18-2003, 10:38 PM
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Shade Tree Turbo Install

OK I have my ElCamino with the Turbocharged 350. But the issue is that I have is that at 5000 RPM's I have about 20 psi of boost (way too much for a stock SBC). So I need to reduce boost. My question is can I get a BOV that will be able to blow off the excess boost down to 8 psi?
The turbo I have is off a Diesel Semi (Junkyard) and has no wastegate. So will a BOV suffice or do I need an aftermarket wastegate?

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A wastegate will actually keep the boost down. A BOV just lets the pressurized air in the intake tube vent out whe u shift or left off the throttle
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Going to need a waste gate.

Do you have any specs on your turbo? Make and model semi would be cool.
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Re: Shade Tree Turbo Install

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OK I have my ElCamino with the Turbocharged 350. But the issue is that I have is that at 5000 RPM's I have about 20 psi of boost (way too much for a stock SBC). So I need to reduce boost. My question is can I get a BOV that will be able to blow off the excess boost down to 8 psi?
The turbo I have is off a Diesel Semi (Junkyard) and has no wastegate. So will a BOV suffice or do I need an aftermarket wastegate?
Over cooked by that much can be difficult for a BOV, or wastegate to control.

You might think of adding a restriction pre or post turbo in the exhaust, to reduce it's ability to spool the turbo. Remembering it'll have to deal with ALOT of heat.
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tial 40mm external wastegate should take care of that. not cheap though.
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I wanna know what turbo he found to make 20# with!
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What kind of deisel semi did you get that turbo off of? I have access to some big deisel turbos but I did'nt know how they would work on Gas engines. The turbos I'm talking about are massive. They are on 500 hp CAT powered Freigtliners.
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Well to tell you the truth the 20#'s is an estimate. (But at about 4000 RPM's the bottom end is about ready to come through the oil pan).

The turbo is a Garrett, off an international truck. Were can I look on the turbo to find out specifics?

I'm putting a new boost gauge on the car today and then I'll let you know exactly what kind of boost we are talking about.

Thanks, Garrett
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even pictures would be helpful, maybe next to a ruler
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Well the boost gauge that I bought at a swap meet was junk so no boost numbers. But I can tell you that I'm not a turbo expert, but the turbo will blow the bonnet of the carb. and you can't hold your hand over the turbo when the car is idling.

Here's a pic of the turbo. Any input is greatly appreciated.

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US 1/4 in pic for scale
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hahaha definitly a deisel turbo, my dads cummins will run over 30#s under heavy load and run at 16-20 unloaded, its a holset 12cm2 housing in his truck tho. did u get that off a power stroke?
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it has no waste gate in the above picture I would say thats what it needs. here is a picture of the deltagate external wastegate installed and a beautiful example of a awsome way to employit done by smitty and then ruined with my red paint. With the red paint though you can see how the wastergate when actuated via boost/vacuum line can bypass exhaust gasses around the turbo to reduce the boost. Deltagates are adjustable. I saw a used deltagate sell for $150 on ebay a day ago and it came with a spring for 4-6 pounds of boost adjustment and one for 8 to 12 pounds of boost adjustment (both estimated). I hope this is helpful.
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Depending on how low you want to set your boost, you will need a bigger wastegate than a delta. You might want to invent in a racegate. They also pop up on ebay, but not as often. I would suggest going with the racegate anyway. You will probably never out grow that thing.
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Originally posted by SLP IROC-Z
hahaha definitly a deisel turbo, my dads cummins will run over 30#s under heavy load and run at 16-20 unloaded, its a holset 12cm2 housing in his truck tho. did u get that off a power stroke?
First, boost has little to do with the actual turbo creating it, all it is is a measurement of the restriction to the flow that the turbo can produce by the engine. If you make the engine more restrictive boost goes up.

Second, that’s definitely not a powerstroke. They have specific center section flanges that incorporate the oil inlet and outlet on one flange, where that one has a separate inlet and outlet
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I have looked at that thing over and over and I think its a regular large A/R T4 look at the exhaust plange and twin inlets.
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