hey guys i was lookin on being a little sneaky with my juice, i saw a post about hiding NOS lines and bottles, one of the guys RU Qwik has an under intake manifold nos system that looked bad ***
im wondering where can u order something like that
or can that even be ordered

thanks guys

 

NAAAWWWWZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!

 

first you fork over a pile of money for the kit then you send your manifold over to NOS and give them the reast of your money to install it for you, that is...if you dont know how to do it yourself. There are a few places on the web that install as well I believe.

 

Don't forget the latent heat will effect the NOS.. can be a bit of a drawback.


BW

 

but would the nitrous stay under the manifold long enough to soak up enough heat to have any effect? I would think that it would be moving through there fast enough that heat soak wouldn't be a problem. but that may be due to my own ignorance.

 

Not once it was flowing.. however in between bursts, a purge of the system before going WOT would be a good thing..

Otherwise you could get a rich bog, followed by a cold NOS hit.

BW

 

so how much are we talking about for this kit and the install

thanks
i cant find it anywhere even on the NOS site
thanks guys for the imput

 

Theres no bolt in kit.. but a custom cut/bent port kit.

 

search summit or jegs for "sportsman fogger" thats the kit i will be using. somtimes its on ebay for a little less... but i want it new unbent.

i plan on running it with a progressive controller.. one good reason why:

you have to remove the intake to change the jets in the fogger nozzles. PITA!

by running a progressive controller i can basically put 250Shot Jets into the nozzles, then dial the progressive controller to hit with like a 20% - 30% right off the bat, and basically control the shot size all the way up the RPM range. if i shift @ 5000 rpms, and i tell the progressive controller i want 250 shot @ 6000 rpms, then when i shift it will only be using a 200~ shot. see? much better.

 

I'm still trying to figure out the fuel blocks. I've talked to RUQUICK and he said he didn't have any part numbers for the fuel and nitrous blocks that would fit. Another thing, you'll need a bottom end to hold up to a big shot, not to mention a fuel system that'll keep up.

Look into a holley blue pump and a separate fuel cell. That way you'll never over load the intank pump. There are a lot of people thinking of this combo. Myself included.

The sportsman fogger is a good kit, but when using a progressive controller NOS suggests that you use a "helper" nos solenoid to prolong the use of the solenoids.

Kingtol, have you decided on which controller to get? I drive a 6-spd so I'm still up in the air about which one to get.

One more thing, the "under the manifold" kit that NOS sells is only adjustable to 250 shot. Anything bigger and your going to need fogger nozzles.

 

<b>Anything bigger and your going to need fogger nozzles.</b>

thats why i suggested sportsman fogger for under-manifold installation... you can jet it for a 300 shot and run a progressive controller to hit a 50-150 shot or whatever you want. the fogger nozzles are much better anyways than those stupid under-manifold craps NOS sells.

<b>have you decided on which controller to get</b>

I have heard lots about the jacops, good and bad. i think ill wind up trying one of those out because they seem to sell cheap used.

<b>suggests that you use a "helper" nos solenoid to prolong the use of the solenoids.
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Yes the selenoids get beat up pretty bad from what i hear when using progressives. they are fairly cheap, some are rebuildable. in my mind the cheap rebuildable selenoids should be linked to the progressive controller, and in case of failure the other selenoids will catch it. that way you can just rebuild em and put em back in.

Im thinking of mounting the fuel cell in the back under the trunk area, by the factory fuel tank. the lines coming from under the maniflold will exit the back of the intake, between the block and intake, and travel through the firewall into the car below the carpet all the way to the back where the fuel cell / bottle is. this way no one could ever tell you have nitrous... unless they saw the bottle which will be under the sub box...

 

Sounds like a good set up. I was going to keep my cell in the fender on the driver side. I know its going to be tight, but I think it'll fit. When do you plan on starting this project? A tech article would be a great idea.

About the progressive, does the jacobs controller adjust n2o in relation to RPM or time? I think I'll go w/ the timed one.

 

<b>When do you plan on starting this project?</b>

About a month from now. I estimate it will take about $1100 to finish the whole thing, $650 for the fogger setup, $150~ for the controller, then the rest for the misc. crap like remote bottle opener and purge and fuel cell (ebay is the best place so far i found for fuel cells) and extra lines and selenoids. it gets expensive...

I want an RPM related N20 because you can leave it on even on the street, and if your sitting around at 30 MPH with the bottle open and you suddenly go WOT for whatever reason the controller will pick up wherever you are RPM wise so the shot is perfect for that

 

At the track or on the street, if you shifted into 3rd or 4th then when your rpms would drop so would your nitrous hit. Therefore when someone starts to pull, while your waiting to build rpms and a heavier hit of juice the other guy is pulling away.

Also would you want a 90% hit of juice at 25mph? To me that seems a little extreme. But then your wouldn't get your 100% even when your doing a 100mph b/c you have it set to 90%.

Not saying either is better, just trying to weigh the pros and cons.

 

well to me it seems like if you can regulate N20 based on RPM then you can always have the perfect size shot at all vehicle speeds. and you can dial it up or down based on how much you want, not how much time has passed by.

i guess there are good sides to both, but if you consider n20 should be regulated based on just how much a motor can take, then the RPM factor becomes important. since its rated @ 5252 rpms for horsepower, the cylinder pressure generated by a 250 shot below, say, 3000 rpms would almost certainly blow a head gasket. likewise if your shifting around 5000 rpms but dont want a full 250 shot from your 250 sized jets you can dial it 100% @ 6000 rpms, so when you shift you only see a 200 shot which is what you actually want, no changing jets. if you go by time then you will always have the same amount of N20, whatever size jets you have, going into the motor. only way to make the shot smaller is pull the intake manifold... and change each individual jet.

 

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...UMCheater.html

 

This is a home made custom unit for my car.

Jerry

 

tuning and changing jets must be a breeze, maybe I should do that to my accel super ram?

 

To change jets you have to pull the intake thats the reason I removed this from my TPI intake and installed it on a converted LT-1.

This one under the intake is set for 175 hp and if I need to change the hp level the two stage system on top of the intake can be adjusted very fast.

Jerry

 

where would you run the lines going thru the intake manifold out towards the sol's. would you drill em right thru the intake manifold's base? (pardon my sutpidity)

 

I imagine a guy could get pretty creative.
Drill a hole and put a bulkhead fitting with a nylon washer so it seals. Then you have to hide that line somehow. I can imagine it still being difficult to hide the entire system.

 

JERRYWHO, where did you get that block for the fuel and N2o. They say that the Sportsman kit won't fit under the manifold. I asked why and NOS said that the distribution block was different. Anyone else heard this?

 

Tom you are smoking wayyyy to much crack, but its still good to see you havn't lost your sense of humor.

actually if u want to change "jets" without pulling the intake you can just run some big ones (200-250) under it, and use a progressive controller to limit the juice to whatever you want. credit to crossfire for giving me the idea....

 

With the progessive controllers like the NOS time based one, do they "restart" after the N2o is deactivated and reactivated? Like when I lift to shift. I'm on a WOT switch, I don't want the juice to think I'm leaving the line everytime I shift.

 

j/k

 

Here is the kit I am going to order when the time is right.


P/N NOS-05088

this is from summits site. Under-manifold, with FOGGER nozzles. same as sportsman fogger, but made for stealth.

 

Summit has the kit listed wrong it is for over the intake.

The only NOS kit for under is http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...UMCheater.html

Jerry

 

hmm.

then what is this P/N NOS-02622


your probably right. i checked jegs and there is no under-manifold sportsman that i can see. very dissapointing.

 

This is from page 32 in the NOS catalog

02622NOS (A,B) Over manifold V8 w/Fogger Nozzles

This kit is the "street fogger kit" it has only one pair of solenoids the 05088 kit has 2 sets of solenoids "sportsman kit"

Jerry