for mods see sig. I was thinking of getting the procharger 12 lbs of boost and then i saw alot of third gens with nitrous. Which one. ATI procharger(12psi) = $2,899.00
or
NOS 150 shot of nitrous = $1,000.00 w/ installation. The car is somewhat a daily driver but since ive added bulletfreaking proof internals im guessing either should be fine. Another thing motor has about 9:5:1 compression. And lets assume the car has each power adder what would 1/4 times be for each power adder w/ great traction,perfect shifting. thanks.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

since l'm a nitrous man myself, l'm going to have to reccomend nitrous, but it all depends on what you like, l've never owned a blown car, just a juiced one, its a 90 TPI 305 with 150 HP worth of juice, and l can tell you right now, being near stock, it's a whole new car when you hit the switch, I'm not sure about blowers like l said, but nitrous is awesome, and also, before you go and have it done professionally, atleast attempt to look through it and check out how easy it really is, all you need is some simple tools, and four floor jacks, give it a shot yourself, and maybe a buddy that could give you a hand, you'll be surprised how easy it really is.

 

thats true i guess ill give it a try when i get it. Nitrous just scares the hell out of me(overreving) or something. Which nitrous system did u get(wet or dry),which brand. What do u suggest for my application. My friends work too damn much, hardly ever see them. Care to drive down Ny and install the nitrous system

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

Blower...once you go boost you'll never go back.

you can get one for $2899?

i'll sell you mine for that price plus it has the upgraded intercooler, polished tubing, and polished blower.

plus throwing in FREE 24LB injectors needed for bigger boost. let me know

 

I always thought that a super would be cool(just want that wine) but this was my first winter driving and my car is enough to handle(snow). I've decided to go on the juice because I don't want all that stress and power all the time-just when I need it.

 

I think nitrous is the way to go. It is very hard to drive a supercharged car in bad weather. I got the NX kit for 500 with a filled bottle the only upgrades i did were afpr and colder plugs. Install the kit yourself though because there is not a whole lot to it, I ran my line through the interior also so there was no need to get under it.


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86 Irocz, 305 bored 40 over, 211/221 comp cam,paw rocker arms 1.5,10:1 comp., stock heads, 100 shot of nitrous,

soon to be airflow research 190 cc heads, 373 gears to replace 273, and induction work

 

Vortech,

If you don't mind having to fill the bottle all the time, nitrous is a fun and easy route, NOT cheaper!!! (always have to keep buying them DAMN bottle refills).

But once you've been blown there's nothing else like it!!!

A blown car is no different to drive in the winter than one that's not blown...if you drive the car easy, you'll never see boost.

Also there is the same amount of stress on a SC'ed engine as there is with a nitrous engine.

Then again, you could do both.

my .02
later
larry

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MÅN¡ÅÇ ©
88 IROC 5.7L,edelbrock TES,random tech cat,borla exhaust,chip,sfc,accel wires,airfoil,k&n's,ETC..
and NOW supercharged!!!
http://maniac.megamania.com

 

You also have to constantly monitor bottle pressure, which can be a PITA to keep constant. My buddy spent 700 bucks on refils in just one year.. He used to dogg me about spending money on a blower until I saw him getting nickel and dimed every month on refils..LOL

Both work great, and I have used both before.. I am partial to blowers now.

 

Ah damn now i want both. I dont know what to do. Like i said if i intalled the procharger (12psi)w/intercooler what would my 1/4 mile time be. If i installed the 150 hp shot of nitrous what would my 1/4 mile time be. Any information.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

with the 12psi kit...you will see anywhere from 60%-80% gains.

so take your current horsepower numbers and multiply by 70% and see what you get...but be fairwarned....your jaw might drop so low it hits your computer keyboard and breaks it

 

i just did. ah damn what should i do????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

 

Finally got my pick. Im going with the nitrous. Why u ask well my compression is in the 9:6:1 area and the supercharger aint gonna do squat for me. I guess my best bet is to run 150 or 200 shot of nitrous. I appreciate all your help guys. Maybe when i do another project in the future ill run a 406 Brodix stage II heads,lingenfelter cam run 8:5:1 compression and put a 12psi ATI procharger. After all im getting a 87' IROC-Z from the junkyard for $250.00 and body is in great condition. Damn another project. cant wait.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

Personally, I feel that you made the right choice but the S/C guys will feel diff. I've got a dual-stage NX kit(up to 150hp on both stages...that should be enough eh?)on the way. I think you could get away with 175 to 200 due to your forged parts. I'm not going past 150. Good luck, keep us posted. Now you are going to have to change your sig. Later Derrick

 

oh $hit thats right what should be my new name
NOS305
Juiced305
exvortech305
or??? dont know

Any way theres no reason for the sc's guys to think differently. I will run a sc. one day just not particular on the 305. Im sure people understand when i use the nitrous for the mean time and maybe if im lucky add an ATI procharger 12psi than my new name would be huffed&juiced305.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

Sorry, couldn't help it.
Anyway, here's another thing to consider...nitrous is an 'on demand' power adder, while boost is running all the time. So long-term durability should also be considered for a street engine. I'd say 9 psi is the limit for long-life streetability, but having little experience in this area, and being sure plenty have done it, I stand to be proved otherwise. Beware, I have heard some late-model 305 blocks have thin cylinder walls, so if you are seriously considering that much boost, you may want to have your block sonic-checked. If not, just don't beat on it too hard on a regular basis. I've never heard of a 305 cylinder wall blowing out, though. Just be careful...with boost, there's little room for error (detonation, usually).

 

How do you modify your name?? I've got a pretty good one I wanna use.

 

You could run a supercharger with that kind of compression.
It would be perfectly fine.

I would choose a supercharger myself but Ive been blown and I know the feeling.


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-86 IROC
Vortech Supercharged 406
-=ICON Motorsports=-
"Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?"

 

well the compression ration is one thing holding me back the other is the $$$$. Im sort of on a budget as soon as i get the other job count the supercharger in along with the nitrous 11' here we come!!!!!!

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

my dad has a blower on a ZZ4 and it runs real nice. It has 10:1 compression and as long as youre easy with the timing youre fine. The car smokes the tires at 50 mph into passing gear....nuts!

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 224/230 duration and .477/.480 lift. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, 3000 stallconverter. Edelbrock TES, 3inch cat, flowmaster with single 2.5 inch exit.
Best time yet to come
12's?? :crossthumbs:

This is a Pic of my car in race trim www.tbns.net/billyjay/camero.jpg

Yes I know how to spell camaro- so dont ask. I didnt make the link

 

timing is not a problem. Since the ATI procharger comes included with an intercooler timing adjustment is not necessary. But for now im gonna stick with the nitrous

 

I have a 1991 305 TPI 5 speed TA with a 10# ProCharger. I am curerently looking into adding a NOS, NX, or Compucar kit with a 50 HP shot just to kick it up a notch!!!

From what I am reading a 50 HP shot will highly compliment the Supercharger by lowering the air temp, but not adding too much HP to the system and risking damage to the engine.

I love the ProCharger, but am looking for the next adventure.

Good luck.

 

I would love to install both on my car. Run both of them at fairly conservative levels.

I think that would be awesome. If only I had money.

 

Robert Kennedy just informed me that his NX kit includes the following jet sizes:

35-50-75-100-150

So you can start really safe then change jets as you feel comfortable.

Looks like a good kit.

 

Wow this topic was written over a year ago. Its so disapointing on how retarded and udderly stupid i sound. On a good note, im glad i recognized it. Anyway till this day i havent bought either power adders. As of now $$ does permit for me to choose which ever i choose to go, but im not sure whether id like to do so. N/A i hit a 14.2 1/4 mile w/ 2.6 60ft time(Stock suspension and street tires ) Anyway if i were to choose id def. go with the ATI procharger overall.... Nitrous would be too risky, then id have to refill, keep tabs on timing, nitrous pressure blah blah blah.... Im surprised to see this thread, i've come a long way....

 

Hi vortech305,

I read your posts and there were very few otherwise.

I was looking to see if the NOS would be a better upgrade to just increasing the boost with a smaller pulley. I was hoping to find some personal experiences, but not much out there.

A few vendors say that the combination of a SC and Nitrous makes for a better overall system, but I don't see anyone doing it.

Since I had to have a custom prom made for my current combination and it works great now, I am leaning to just going with a smaller pulley once I'm ready.

Just looking into my options.

A lot of the fun comes from the research. Although punching into a ProCharged 305 is great fun too!

Good to see you still following these posts.

Contact Dave at http://www.tenperf.com when you are ready!

 

To this day im still using my factory chip, Now Accel says that even with its cam grind, no prom burning is needed. So far car is running fine and seems to be idling on the lean side. I cant really tell if the prom needs to be burned and whether i wanna spend $300 on a custom one and find out the stock one performs better------ . I can obviously burn my own, but i dont have the necessary tools nor the time.... As of now i just finished installed a rear from a 97' SS and starting to install a T-56 from the 97' SS. Once drivetrain is complete within a week, i'll order me a a procharger which suits my application and look into prom burning.. There so many variables out there. I wanna see this sucker run 13's. I just need to improve my 60ft time and im there. Once thats done, in goes the procharger.

 

Contact Alvin with www.pcmforless.com or Rooster433@aol.com

I paid him less than $200 and he worked with me for 3 months!!!

I had FMU problems, Holley AFPR problems and Jacob's ignition problems.

He was patient through it all and actually help to diagnose the problems!

I now have a car that is perfectly tuned for daily driving and ProCharged driving. I have a Speed Density set up so he reworked all of the required tables.

Hope this helps.

 

Thats cool, thanx for the link. I'll def. be sure to contact him and see whats doing..Whats ur 1/4 time with the blower?

 

I just got my Nittos mounted Friday. I have not actually brought the car to the track yet.

Just practicing on back streets now.

The stock tires just spin and spin!

I am planning on getting to the track in the next few weeks.

I need to learn to shift for traction and power.

All this is new to me.

I will be sure to post once I get into it.

Let me know how you do too.

 

I hear more and more on this guy he should be a TGO site sponsor for all the free ink he gets here, I may contact him myself for my car...

 

For what it’s worth, stock suspension and street rubber is no excuse for ****ty 60’s. I’ve run as fast as a 1.71 60 in a 6 speed car on radials and stock suspension (with air bags in the springs though), and my '87 formula regularly runs mid 1.8’s with a stock suspension and the FACTORY, 16y/o 245 50 16 Eagle ZR’s on it.

WRT the original question… Blower if you’ve got the money… but either will munch you’re bulletproof engine if you mess up.

 

Hi B4Ctom1,

Alvin definitely earns his $$$. He is also determined to make you satisfied with his work.

83 Crossfire TA,

How do you launch without spinning the tires? I spinned for at least 2 seconds on 245/50/16 Yokohomas.

 

thats why I need him

 

I’m not sure what to tell you. Some of it is just getting enough practice/learning to drive. I’m sure some of it is instinct but a lot of it is practice and logging everything so I know what to expect from the car. Some of my friends simply put it as “you manage to get cars to do things that they’re not supposed to be able to do.”

Hell, even a stock L03 will spin its tires if you try hard enough, but when it comes down to it, with street radials, optimum pressure and making sure that I do things consistently, tires clean by the time I pull up to the line… I have more traction then power with my stock L98 (it’s run a 13.5@100mph with consistent 1.8x 60’ times, usually dead hooking off the line unless someone broke and spilled something all over the track). If I didn’t get the tire pressures right, heat the tires consistently, if I rolled up with any water on my tires or in the wheel wells… I’d be spinning. Something like my ’97 WS6 TA is harder because it has more power and 6 speed + 4.10 gears can always spin off the line, but even that, with consistent driving/prep I’ve run 1.7 60’s and been able to a launch at 4200rpm or higher.

And before anyone gets hung up on track prep or anything else, I’ve run these times at at least 5 different tracks and mostly on test and tune nights where some of the tracks don’t put down any VHT, and most people were running 2s or more on radials.

If you gave me a better idea of your whole setup and how you’re launching I could probably give you some better hints, but if you’re just rolling up to the line and hitting it and expecting it to hook you’re nuts.

 

Well i emailed him about the chip 3 days ago and no response so far, im sure he gets plenty emails and has only so much time to respond to either, but im hoping he gets to me quickly.

 

Hi vortech305,

No worries.

I spoke to Alvin last week and he was going on vacation.

So expect to hear from him shortly.

 

woo hoo

 

Well i got a PM from him 2 days ago and replied and still no answer........

 

I talked to him yesterday.

He said that if anyone had problems contacting him to try:

Chips@pcmforless.com

 

Just emailed him, thanx doo.:hail:

 

I had a picture of a garage where a NOS system blew up inside the car. It peeled it like an onion. Destroyed the engine compartment, the trunk, body. Threw pieces of the interior all over the garage. It also destroyed the garage door. I couldn't find the pic. But NOS scares me since I live in a really hot enviroment.

 

Well to this day, that guy hasnt emailed me back so thats that with......... that lol. I've decided to go ahead and get a blower. My 2 choices are either a Vortech or ATI Procharger. I had no idea that Procharger dosent make a kit for V belts, since thats what im running and id hate to do a conversion. If i were to run a blower max.(6-8 lbs of boost) any suggestion on what lb injectors i should go with? I know Vortech's sell Inline pumps but do prochargers sell them as well? Too many question

 

ATI also includes an inline pump with their kit. They stress its use even with a high flow intake pump. The key is to keep flow up during high pressure in the line.

This brings us to the question of fuel delivery. If you are going to us an FMU to increase fuel volume during boost, then you can go with 23 # injectors as a min.

If you want to change your computer over to a 749 which uses a 2 bar map to read boost, you will need larger injectors. Probably 30 # +. You will need to do a search on this topic to find the best size for your appilication.

Here is an example thread:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...&highlight=749

So the v belt routing interferes with the ProCharger belt, but the Vortec does not???

Looks like you will be going with your namesake!!

Not sure what a conversion would be like. Time to do some more searching.......

If you are running low boost, 6 psi or less, then the intercooler that ATI offers may not be as much of an issue. But you may still want to look into an alky/water injection kit. This will help with detonation due to hot air intake.

I am considering add it if I bring the boost up higher than 10 psi.

Hope this helps.