Is it really that valuable of tech info when all its ever done it idle in your shop and drive up and down your driveway a couple times? LETS SEE IT ACTUALLY WORK, before your you "part it out" or "change direction" for the 10th time while accomplishing nothing.

 

look man i dont have a problem with u , and sure as **** dont know why u seem to have an issue with me , but the car has been done for months now , i lost my racetrack , i cant afford to tow my car 600 miles to go racing when i please , not to mention with all the work that needs to be done on the farm i dont have the time.

we have free range cattle out here so i cant even take the car out on some of the back roads and mess around. ever see what a car looks liek when it smacks a 2,000 pound cow @ 60 mph , it happens all the time around here with ppl just driving normally down the road , i aint risking my car like that just to make a couple ppl happy

when i finally get the car to the track u guys will be the first to know infact the one time i did get it to the track and broke the driveline u guys knew about it before i even got home


until then i am just fine with the car sitting in my driveway ocasionally being taken out to run to the store, until i can get it out and go racing when i have the time and money to go

 

So here is the thing, while it's obvious that the thread stays off topic from time to time, it appears that all participants get along and it's a friendly conversation.

Then we've got these 3 members, including you, that like to chime in every once and a while and stir the pot, turning it into a fight. Why?

Like I said before, I don't mind a little off topic as long as the conversation is friendly and it ropes back into the technical theme. But I won't tolerate bickering and fighting, this isn't Yellowbullet.

The way I see it, you have two options. You can ignore any thread started by your favorite forum members, or you can complain to JT about how I moderate the forum.

-- Joe

 

joe i think it was u that said 250's are girls bikes and i think i have to agree with u on that one now, borrowed my buddies hoopped up wr450f , after having the 250 for a while now the 450 doesnt seem so scary anymore

got scared at 88/89mph on the dirt and hit just shy of 95 on the pavement, prolly would have pushed it further if i would have had full gear on , but since i was comming from the farm and not out on an actual ride i only had my helmet and gloves on


next year ill be trading the 250 mx bike for a 450 or 500 for sure.
no matter what i just cant get away from going fast , i really hope the find a place to open a new racetrack waiting till september to take my car to bonneville is killing me

might have to see how soon i can get my car down to las vegas speedway i think im going to have withdrawls if i dont get out to a track soon lol

 

I don't know how old you are but, we had 250s when we were kids. I have not owned a dirt machine since the 90s and my bagger is over 116 cubic inches.

You need to build the car the way you like it. There seems to be a lot of competition and pressure on the forum. Even the title in your thread "1000hp or bust". Who gives a crap? Is that really what makes you happy?

I've also gotten somewhat angry over the implied notion that you must finish a certain project in a certain amount of time. What is this, the school yard? I realize some of our younger members don't have families, responsibilities, and sink every dime they have into their thirdgen. But those loud voices shouldn't speak for everyone.

As you very well know, I like pulling my firebird apart regularly and trying new things. It keeps my mind active. It's not my only car, and it's not my most valuable car by any stretch. If I really wanted a 1,000hp car I'd just order one tomorrow morning. I'm not some kid living with my parents, in fact my father lives in one of my houses..

My point is, I hope your not getting disgruntled about the build or pressured into parting it out just because your track is going away. Nothing wrong with a nice street car, or a whole differing project.

In closing, I would like to see the thread get back on track - and that being your Camaro.

-- Joe

 

I think he realized the same thing that I did Joe, putting so much time and energy into a project only to abuse it and possibly destroy all that work, and for what. For the types of comments he's getting like the one above lol? Hellz no lol. I can honestly say that with my own build, I called nine seconds, but the reality is the stock cast parts won't take the repeated pounding, and do I really want to attempt one pass just to prove a point to the same members who act like that. Of course not. I have a fun 11 second cruiser at low boost for the entire spring and summer to enjoy. I mean after all that porting and wrenching, why the heck would I want to blow it up for. It's a shame too because I've been quietly building a bullet proof 305 for when the current one gives up the ghost, but I haven't updated the thread for that very reasoning. Just been giving "tech" in the tuning section and cheering the two of you guys on lately...

Carry on.

 

Going on memory I am pretty sure you are running the transmission you picked up from Joe, but where are you rearend and suspension wise? Going to Las Vegas Speedway sounds like a good idea, but are you planning on launching it, or babying it out of the whole Dave..?

 

ive got the th350 and transbrake in the car good 3 inch driveshaft but still the 10 bolt , i do have the dana case 60 preped but i still need a carrier housing ends , and axles

if anyone has dana 60 parts laying around let me know

front suspension is stock but ive got drag stuff in the rear

i also need a rear drag wing , just havent goten around to picking one up and putting it on

 

actually i am a lil bit , all my friends here are trying to talk me into just toning the car down a lil and street driving it , instead of parting it or selling it after boneville

 

Check this out, if he made one similarly for Firebirds I would buy one in a second...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...r-spoiler.html

 

You dont "need" a drag wing

 

small tires, ill run the wing for stability on the top end thanks

that being said id rather not have a drag wing , but i have seen many small tire cars come threw our shop and many didnt run anything on the back alot of those cars ended wadded up

 

I run small tire and go faster than you will with this motor, i think the wing is a waste of money. Stock camaro body and wing is more than fine

If they end wadded up then they are not setting up the rest of the car correctly or the track sucks and caused the wreck

And dont compare non thirdgens to thirdgens. Chassis is way different than say a fox or old school deal

 

I don't know crap about crap, but the guys that go faster than me are trapping 180+ mph, and I don't see wings on there cars either.

I've never been faster than 120mph at the track though, so what do I know.

-- Joe

 

IMO, I think the same thing can be said about a lot of things, not just wings. I've seen a four banger run low sevens at almost 200-mph, so one can question why build a big V8 when it is not needed. But hey if it makes Dave happy, maybe he likes the look of it. I can tell you for sure that in the mid 2000's, he was running MT slicks on the street w/his V6 turbo, when it was definitely not needed. Remember Dave lol?

 

Just saying it be the last item on my list of things to worry about. I'd test the car before assuming its needed

 

A 200mph 4 banger runs like crap though. The more displacement, the smoother the engine will be at the higher power levels.

I feel very strongly that a car should have a decent idle, drive smooth, have no weirdness at part throttle or cruise, etc. These 1000+ hp cars that see 45 seconds of runtime are not impressive. That thing sitting in rush our traffic and not blowing up is impressive.


-- Joe

 

It's a different world out there Joe, people have finally grasped RPM with CFM, and so long as the engine will rev high and breath well, then idling, overall drive-ability and single digit numbers are a given at the correct weight. I can't speak for any other areas, but over here we have Audi's running easy tens, and even easy nines with a good launch, while being driven everyday out on the street, and these are street cars. Here is a good example...;


As for the idling of a seven second four banger, I completely disagree. Compare the idling of this seven second four banger with any of the vehicles running on Street Outlaws running the same exact numbers. Which ones sound more tame? Which ones are more street friendly? As for blowing up, vehicle weight and tuning has a lot to do with it. I'll go with the four banger over any of the pro-mods on Street Outlaws...

 

See, i've actually been fast on small tires, and in fact, you dont need a drag wing. A drag wing isnt going to fix you high mileage worn out stock front end. My car is plenty stable at 170MPH...

 

Yeah stuff has come a long way. Light cars will make that easier. No doubt those 4 cyl can make 700-1000 whp. But they are not street driven cars for the most part. Maybe possible but parts longevity isnt favorable in them and fuel they have to run to make the big power on high boost is not streetable. Some occassional e85 type deals out there that can get by but fact remains, as a function of cylinder pressure, bigger engine is going to make same power at less pressure and thats always better on internals. 1500 hp 540" bbc will live forever compared to the 2.0l 4 cyl. You wont see the 7-8 sec 4 cyl on drag week

 

u know what stay the hell out of my thread , the front end on my car is brand new *******

 

So, as a person who is currently looking at and test driving 2017 Corvettes as a daily driver to replace my aging 2012, I'd say those two videos just proved my point They sound like every other obnoxious 4 banger (that happens to go 9s) around here. Loud, tinny idle, high idle RPM, lots of pops through the exhaust.

That 2nd video sounded kinda like my old riding mower when the governor let go. (Use landscapers now)

Maybe I'm just getting old, or maybe my standards have changed with older age. When I see a car with a loud fart pipe sticking through the front fender I kinda wanna crush it so the Chinese can make a few good washing machines.

-- Joe

 

How many passes have you made on the current combo?

-- Joe

 

sscc membership fees , entry fees for grand sport , and high noon 1 mile shootout paid

900$'s paid for 1 weekend of racing

 

Enough. How much has your car ran in the past 2 or 3 years? Have you accomplished anything other then making posts on the internet about how your turbo setup was "to hot" and now your piecing together some supercharger combo?

I go to the race track, I race my car, I street drive my car (well over 3000 miles last year. My car went well into the 8's on its first pass, and only went faster from there. and have yet to make a pass that wasn't in the 8's since.

Now because I feel the urge to go faster, and while I know the SBC had more in it, I was on the ragged edge of the parts that I had, and while yes, I could have bought better SBC parts, I can more reliably reach my et/mph goals with a big block. I'm gathering parts to build a new combo, a BBC with twins. Was my time with the SBC short lived? Yes, but atleast I actually got out there and did something with it.

I was going to park the car again between engines, but decided to put a SBE 5.3 in the car and see if I can make an 8 second pass with it, and in the matter of almost 2 months I've nearly got it finished. Along with completely re wiring the car, and building a new rear end for it. Have I posted a single thing about it on here until this point? No, because it doesn't get my car done any faster.


To me, lack of a "drag wing" is just an excuse, especially because I dont expect it to go all that fast on its first outing. Money spent on said "drag wing" would be better spent on a drive shaft, or tow money to the closest race track.
Theres cars going way faster then myself or Justin without wings aswell, on small tires.

 

You are kidding right? I have not raced a car since 2002. FOURTEEN YEARS AGO. While I may lie to myself once every fall and think the following year I'll end up at the track with one of my vehicles, we all know I've just got way too many other things in my life that are more important to me. I've put maybe 4 miles on the thirdgen since 2012.

Yeah, I brought in 12 million dollars this year. The board of directors are pretty happy with me. I don't think they are too interested in an 80's Pontiac though, sadly.

I wanted to do the turbo, and I really wanted to like it. I didn't. I know you guys love your turbos, but I'd probably not like yours either. I'm picky. If something rubs me the wrong way I eliminate it. I enjoyed some of the supercharged cars I build 10, 15 years ago so I went back into that direction. I've always wanted to run a blower on the passenger side, so I built a setup that way. I kinda like the way it came out.


That is wonderful. I genuinely was curious how your combo was doing after following your build thread over the years. As an engineer, I have respect for well crafted things. Despite the fact that you think it's ok to be a dink to our forum members, I was being respectful and showing interest in your accomplishments.

But just so we are clear, I'm not in competition with you. I don't want to go as fast as you, heck I don't even know if I want to go fast anymore. Some of my most enjoyable times is cruising 35mph with the top down. I kinda wish I went faster than 120mph when I did used to race years ago, but every time I look at the NHRA rules I lose interest again.


I don't think he needs a drag wing either, but I also think he cares quite a bit less about drag racing than you do.

I enjoy the science behind the build, but I'm not into the competition of racing. If I was I'd just buy a car and pay a driver to win races with my company name on the doors. It's just not my thing. Like I said earlier, my thirdgen is the least valuable vehicle I own.


Try to be nicer. It goes a long way in life.

-- Joe

 

subd-

 

shows how much he pays attention the driveshaft has been taken care of for a long time

 

You're nuts. That money could have went to the project, don't waste it on those members who can give a crap about you.

Get that money back and put it towards the rearend upgrade...

 

the level of chest beating, gloating, and back rubbing in here is making me nauseated.

 

i have to agree. when i have to spend $900 to take a car to a track is when it gets a license plate and made a driver. there is plenty of 1,000hp street cars out there.
but, the title of this thread is about making 1,000hp, and we wont know until its put on a dyno or a decent track. until there is a dyno number or a decent pass, there is no closure to this thread.

 

its not a waste this is a race ive been trying to goto for 2 years now , and probably alot more fun then drag racing
Bonneville is cheaper buttttt word from up north is that it will be cancelled again this year so im not taking any chances and am just going to silver state

if it was 900$ to go to a 1/4 mile drag race u can bet ur *** i wouldnt do it , its about 600$ to hit vegas to go racing which is another reason i havent gone yet

diggler the car is plated , i just choose not to drive it in the 105* heat, and its only going to get hotter over the next month. Specially when the bikes get 45-75mpg , costs me a few bucks in gas a month to get back and forth to work riding the bike vs the car

 

im going to be honest here and rob knows me so he can back me up on this

since the closing of my semi local track i have lost all interest in my car , years ago id have been super esatic to be in the silver state classic , maybe im getting old or just losing interest.


as of now i dont know whats going to happen to the car i nmight part it i misght keep it i might put a stock vortec in it and drive it .

but as for now i think this thread is going to be closed atleast till september when i head out to the ssc

 

I do know you bro, and I don't blame you one bit. IMO, you should have stood with the original plan, the other engine with smaller cam and twin turbo setup and just enjoy the car as an everyday driver. Building cars like these with nowhere to run them can get very boring because there is only so much you can do with them. Hell I bet you're having more fun with that Grand Am than you are with the Camaro right about now, ain't I right?

I say, pull the engine, part it out or sell it as a whole, get your hands on a V6 and show those V6 guys how its done. We're seeing 5 second 1/4 mile times today, and even if you got the V8 down to 8 or 7 seconds, it just doesn't matter anymore, there is nothing left to prove, especially to members who seem to **** you off more than anything else. Like I said earlier, if you were here I would give you the 3800 I have, it's just sitting here taking up space. Then again the 3500's seem to be where it's at right now...

 

Throwback Monday lol...

 

My $.02. Why do all of this work and then part the car out? if you have another daily driver then just let the car sit until the weather cools off and then drive the car. You can still cruise it and run it on the street and dyno. You don't HAVE to run it at the dragstrip.

My car spends more time on jackstands and in the garage then it does driving in the past 16 years I have had it. if I would have just left the car alone and drove it, it would have a ton of miles on it, but I chose not to and try to hot rod it. We all know hot rodding takes more money and time/effort than budgeted, so you just make it work when you can.

Leave the car in the garage. You will regret taking it apart later on. You don't get all of that time back you spent putting it together, that is long gone. You don't have anything to prove to anyone, it is your car after all.

 

He gets caught up in the hype, I know him very well lol. He did surprise me when he said he feels like he is getting older, as I know the feeling cuz we're about the same age, you just lose interest in this stuff, especially when the time and money can be put towards a house, pool, etc. It's been awhile since he's been to a real track, he forgot how fast 11's and 10's are out on the street during everyday driving. I don't even want the track anymore myself, too many damn rules. He should have stood with this setup instead of hacking it all up, would have been a sweet and fast street car with the twins, those heads and intake, mild camshaft, not to mention that new paint and those new rims. Nice and smooth idle for everyday driving. The Street Outlaw thing gets old pretty fast, it really does...

 

i actually just got back from a 120 mile drive in the gagt, damn things a joy to drive on these mountain roads ,

im just going to let the car sit for now until july 4th when i go threw the towns parade , then again on the 24th for the real big parade , and car show , then sept for ssc and speed week if sw doesnt get cancelled , so if nothing else i chould have plenty of video from the parades side by side burnouts and launches down main street is just about a requirement for my towns 2 parades couple drag cars every year but mostly dirt track stuff in it

one of the things that pisses me off is i only drive 4 miles to the farm everyday cars kinda pointless for only that , and now witht he th350 in it and a highway speed limit of 80/85 its not a whole lot of good for driving around the way it is

 

I hear you on the Grand Am GT Dave, fun little cars. Looking forward to seeing some videos of that parade, the paint came out so good it'd be shame not to be able to show it off every once in awhile. No comment on the dirt bikes, just can't seem to get into them, at all lol...

 

I now realize I have to push both you and Joe through inspiration to get it done lol. Hey someone has to. Come on now Dave, if this little "itty bitty" four banger can reach 1291 to the wheels, you should be able to in your sleep with that big V8! Don't let it sit, every second counts, get it done!!!!!

 

thanks guys , right now heres my plan

4th of july parade
24th pioneer day parade and car show
sept ssc, and possibly boneville if it doesnt get cancelled then after that the car will just get parked , i think ill put the small t76 back on it which will still make around 7-800hp at the crank when its turned up and swap the built/transbraked th350 for maybe a 6 speed and just make it one of my nice weather daily drivers

those 2 parades are the only thing outside of a track i can really do witht he car the way it is , and to top it off those 2 parades in my town + one other car show in cedar city is all the car related stuff we have around me

it may sit for a long time though as i just blew up the motor on my kx250f so im prolly looking at 1k to rebuild the motor on the bike , and it figures my first desert race is on august 27th , atleast i have just over 2 months to get the bike back together

 

i got slightly motivated today so i started putting the interior back in it, and i swaped out one of the dead fuel pumps , its now sporting dual 400lph pumps , tommorow ill wash it and cut n buff the paint

 

2nd day in a row working on it , i actually have good help too so making it much easier to button this thing up, who knows i may actually get out and drive the thing tonight and take some video of the rain holds off

 

Get rid of those ugly amber taillight lenses

 

if they were in good condition i would prolly do the red lens mod , but im just going to stick a set of smoked/tinted covers on them

 

Lol all u have to do is spray over them. Matches well

 

i thought they got sprayed on the inside as well?

i kinda like the tinted covers anyways so no big deal

 

Nope i just do 3 light coats on the outside

 

in that case i may try it , ill wetsand the clear and red and see if i can get them to shine first , my thinking is if i do the red paint on the amber i dont want that lens to be shiney and the rest dull

 

Justin is right Dave, clean the taillights thoroughly, dry, then tape up the reverse lights and the rest of the black plastic leaving only the red/amber lenses exposed, then apply three to four coats of translucent candy apple red, remove tape, let dry, then hit the whole thing with two to three coats of clear. Once dried, wetsand and buff. Comes out incredible. By the way, you didn't paint the underside of the deck lid or the door jambs? Get to work on it lol...