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I almost purchased something but he kept changing his descriptions of what I needed and wouldnt tell me prices. I would love to have auto up-down switches but seemed too shadey, I wish there was someone else making something like that
Just a heads up to anyone interested, be very careful. This member makes nice products but is apparently not up to the task of keeping up with all the transactions. He sells his products on many forums and has recently been banned from several due to customers paying for a product and not receiving it. I honestly do not believe that Jabin is a crook, but seems to be overwhelmed with his work load and his communication is poor at best.
I just got one of your harnesses from a fellow member. I have a few questions about it. First off, is there supposed to be pink power wires going to the switch connectors? Do the two cut pink wires tie into the factory harness just like the other cut wires, or is one for the factory harness and the other one supposed to go to the switches? Also is the only chassis ground for this harness the one that comes from the relay block?
I’ve looked at all the harnesses you have posted pictures of and they are all different. I also sent you an email about this harness as well.
I'm assuming that the radio silences means that these are no longer being made?
Bummer...
It was a struggle to get it done a couple of years ago. Luckily I have mine but there is another option. If I didn't already have this set up I would go with this. Easy install at least with it just being a switch. The one that the poster here makes has some big relays that makes it a little difficult to install.
I just got one of your harnesses from a fellow member. I have a few questions about it. First off, is there supposed to be pink power wires going to the switch connectors? Do the two cut pink wires tie into the factory harness just like the other cut wires, or is one for the factory harness and the other one supposed to go to the switches? Also is the only chassis ground for this harness the one that comes from the relay block?
I’ve looked at all the harnesses you have posted pictures of and they are all different. I also sent you an email about this harness as well.
Wish I would of seen this earlier. Did you figure it out?
Eh…looks like somebody has tried altering the harness for whatever reason. I still build these but honestly, they sell out just as quickly as I get them because I build these kits for quite a few GM platforms now…3rd gens don’t seem to be as popular of a window upgrade I guess.
You would be better off sending that harness back to me to fix whatever the other guy did to “modify” it because from the looks of it, somebody thought they knew more about how it should work than the person who has been making these kits for over 10 years now lol. At least that way I can repair it and bench test its operation.
You would be better off sending that harness back to me to fix whatever the other guy did to “modify” it because from the looks of it, somebody thought they knew more about how it should work than the person who has been making these kits for over 10 years now lol. At least that way I can repair it and bench test its operation.
Jabin, I've used your square body stuff as well. Are you going to be making these in the near future? I'd love to have one but was hoping to buy one after you've made it so there isn't long delay. I'm the guy on FB bugging you to make firewall forward LS swap harnessed for 3rd gen Camaros haha
lol…I don’t get enough modules supplied to me that would allow me to build up a huge stock of different applications. I just got an order today for a crew cab kit and one for a K5. That takes 12 modules out of my inventory right off the bat so yeah…they go quick…first come first serve bascially.
I originally had some quality control issues on my 1st Power Window Relay Kit from @formula1LE but after many years of service across two different Firebird's I'm still very pleased!
It uses solid state relays to control the windows (removing the strain from the original switches). It also has the "one touch up/ one touch down" built in.
It claims to be completely plug and play (no modifications needed.)
The cost is listed at $176 plus $12 for shipping. What do you guys think of this option compared to the others in this thread?
It uses solid state relays to control the windows (removing the strain from the original switches). It also has the "one touch up/ one touch down" built in.
It claims to be completely plug and play (no modifications needed.)
The cost is listed at $176 plus $12 for shipping. What do you guys think of this option compared to the others in this thread?
It uses solid state relays to control the windows (removing the strain from the original switches). It also has the "one touch up/ one touch down" built in.
It claims to be completely plug and play (no modifications needed.)
The cost is listed at $176 plus $12 for shipping. What do you guys think of this option compared to the others in this thread?
BraveTech puts out quality stuff for sure, these are one touch up/down only which is cool in it's self. What they don't do is supply 12 vdc to the window motors, an issue with factory design is the voltage drop since there are no relays in the system to supply 12 vdc to the window motors, you get less than 12 vdc and thats one of the reasons the windows are slow on third gens, other reasons have to do with parts and electrical components are 40 years old. The relay system that vorteciroc is asking about does speed up the window motors as it does supply 12 vdc through relays.
This kit does in fact deliver the entire 12V to the window motors because it has internal solid state relays. It also has the "one touch up/ one touch down" built in. That feature relies on relays to roll the window up/down when you are no longer touching the switch. Here is a pic of what the unit looks like without the cover. The components circled in green are the solid state relays:
Because the current/load is handled by the relays, this kit should speed up the windows in our Third Gens. At the same time, it should remove the strain on our original switches. I forgot to mention in my original post, the kit includes one for each window. I am thinking about ordering a set.
This kit does in fact deliver the entire 12V to the window motors because it has internal solid state relays. It also has the "one touch up/ one touch down" built in. That feature relies on relays to roll the window up/down when you are no longer touching the switch. Here is a pic of what the unit looks like without the cover. The components circled in green are the solid state relays:
Because the current/load is handled by the relays, this kit should speed up the windows in our Third Gens. At the same time, it should remove the strain on our original switches. I forgot to mention in my original post, the kit includes one for each window. I am thinking about ordering a set.
@91banditt2 you are confusing 2 separate products here. In your last post, the link that you are referring to is for BraveTECH's "one touch switches"... Pictured and linked below
The other product that we have been talking about is linked and pictured below... This kit uses your factory window switches (as seen in the product images) and stated in the description on the webpage. https://bravetech.ca/product/window-...d-camaro-pair/
To comment on what you said, "What they don't do is supply 12 vdc to the window motors, an issue with factory design is the voltage drop since there are no relays in the system to supply 12 vdc to the window motors, you get less than 12 vdc and thats one of the reasons the windows are slow on third gens, other reasons have to do with parts and electrical components are 40 years old."
First, 12V relays don't supply power to the window motors. The power comes from the cars battery/charging system. Relays are just an electromechanical way of completing a circuit. It is true that there is a measurable voltage/current drop at the power window motor if that power is going through the factory switch, vs replacing that switch with a relay. This is due in part to oxidation and sulfidation of the contacts of that 40 year old switch. The key thing to remember is, whether that switch is replaced with a mechanical relay (like those in the harness made by @formula1LE), or a solid state relay (as are found in BraveTECH's kit), the resulting increase in window speed is due to a decrease in resistance within the power window circuit.
Here is a fictitious example:
If we test the voltage at the power window motor, completing the circuit with the factory switch we would likely see around=================== 10.8v
If we test the voltage at the power window motor, completing the circuit with a mechanical relay (as in @formula1LE 's kit), we should see around=== 12v
If we test the voltage at the power window motor, completing the circuit with a Solid State Relay (as in BraveTECH's kit), we should see around======= 12v
In other words, eliminating the resistance from the factory switch is what speeds up the windows. Both @formula1LE 's kit, and BraveTECH's kit do this equally well.
As a final thought, look at the pic below of the kit that uses our original switches. Do you see how small the sleeve is that connects the 2 pieces (highlighted by the red square)?
There are 4 wires in that sleeve, just as there are 4 wires going to our original switches. If the units didn't have relays built in, those tiny wires could never handle the power draw of the window motors. They would be smoking and melting in seconds. That proves there are solid state relays in the bottom half, to handle that current draw.
@91banditt2 you are confusing 2 separate products here. In your last post, the link that you are referring to is for BraveTECH's "one touch switches"... Pictured and linked below
The other product that we have been talking about is linked and pictured below... This kit uses your factory window switches (as seen in the product images) and stated in the description on the webpage. https://bravetech.ca/product/window-...d-camaro-pair/
To comment on what you said, "What they don't do is supply 12 vdc to the window motors, an issue with factory design is the voltage drop since there are no relays in the system to supply 12 vdc to the window motors, you get less than 12 vdc and thats one of the reasons the windows are slow on third gens, other reasons have to do with parts and electrical components are 40 years old."
First, 12V relays don't supply power to the window motors. The power comes from the cars battery/charging system. Relays are just an electromechanical way of completing a circuit. It is true that there is a measurable voltage/current drop at the power window motor if that power is going through the factory switch, vs replacing that switch with a relay. This is due in part to oxidation and sulfidation of the contacts of that 40 year old switch. The key thing to remember is, whether that switch is replaced with a mechanical relay (like those in the harness made by @formula1LE), or a solid state relay (as are found in BraveTECH's kit), the resulting increase in window speed is due to a decrease in resistance within the power window circuit.
Here is a fictitious example:
If we test the voltage at the power window motor, completing the circuit with the factory switch we would likely see around=================== 10.8v
If we test the voltage at the power window motor, completing the circuit with a mechanical relay (as in @formula1LE 's kit), we should see around=== 12v
If we test the voltage at the power window motor, completing the circuit with a Solid State Relay (as in BraveTECH's kit), we should see around======= 12v
In other words, eliminating the resistance from the factory switch is what speeds up the windows. Both @formula1LE 's kit, and BraveTECH's kit do this equally well.
As a final thought, look at the pic below of the kit that uses our original switches. Do you see how small the sleeve is that connects the 2 pieces (highlighted by the red square)?
There are 4 wires in that sleeve, just as there are 4 wires going to our original switches. If the units didn't have relays built in, those tiny wires could never handle the power draw of the window motors. They would be smoking and melting in seconds. That proves there are solid state relays in the bottom half, to handle that current draw.
Wow you really seem like you know what you’re talking about I should probably stop talking about these products because obviously I have no clue as to what their capabilities are. From my conversations with the designer I must have been confused with how they really work. Maybe we should tag the designer so he can correct my thinking @BraveTECH
Last edited by 91banditt2; Feb 15, 2023 at 07:50 AM.
a month after payment still no product, replies instantly when trying to purchase but no response for update, prices close to doubled from whats listed in the thread, if you cant handle the demand DONT take on new orders or at least provide ETA when payed, I SHIP OUT within 24hrs of payment on everything I sell
a month after payment still no product, replies instantly when trying to purchase but no response for update, prices close to doubled from whats listed in the thread, if you cant handle the demand DONT take on new orders or at least provide ETA when payed, I SHIP OUT within 24hrs of payment on everything I sell
He can be very slow and it's annoying. I threatened to reverse the charges and got a response. Received them about two weeks later. This was 7 years ago. There is no reason to not respond. I'm sure he wouldn't like it if it was him getting the run around.
I used to have his phone number years ago, but have long since lost it. Wish I still had it. I have his window up/down kits in both of my thirdgens and they work great. Bought a fan wire kit from him. Had a couple simple questions about the installation and he refuses to help at all, or even reply with basic assistance. His quality is great, but follow through on customer assistance is severly lacking.
Don't send this guy any money, he doesn't deliver anything as promised. Paid him 246.00 for a window kit over a month ago, no communication, no kit, just crickets to all my pm's
Don't send this guy any money, he doesn't deliver anything as promised. Paid him 246.00 for a window kit over a month ago, no communication, no kit, just crickets to all my pm's
I don't know how he hasn't been banned from here yet. This has been going on for 4 or 5 years now. Some people have got their parts in the last 5 years, but most have not. Like I said long ago in this thread, he was banned from several other message forums for this very issue.
For those who would rather install a professional relay upgrade kit instead of a jumbled mess of crimped wires and be supplied with high quality relays-then here you go. All connections are crimped/soldered/heatshrinked where needed and replaces your existing window switch connectors. PM for questions or more info-I have 8 kits made up and I'm asking $69/set. All wiring is also j1128 spec which means its rated up to 257F and the relays are TYCO rated at 250,000 switching cycles so yes-these are not your average parts store automotive Chinese relays either.
Those "express" Up/ Down Window Modules are getting difficult to find.
And the Modules that do pop up are Chinese knock-offs that do not work well or last long.
Our Power Window Switch Connectors have also dried up...
So lack of Parts might be a factor
-Marcello III
Last edited by vorteciroc; Sep 30, 2024 at 10:47 PM.
The sad part is, he’s still logging onto this site. He was just on this morning, after midnight, so he’s had to have seen all of these negative comments. I bought one of his up/down harnesses probably 5-6 years ago and it still works great. It’s a shame he let it get to this….
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Re: power window relay kit EASY to install!
Originally Posted by MichiganWildcat
Don't send this guy any money, he doesn't deliver anything as promised. Paid him 246.00 for a window kit over a month ago, no communication, no kit, just crickets to all my pm's
Originally Posted by 86blackiroc
I don't know how he hasn't been banned from here yet. This has been going on for 4 or 5 years now. Some people have got their parts in the last 5 years, but most have not. Like I said long ago in this thread, he was banned from several other message forums for this very issue.
According to many members here that paid their hard earned money and never got their product as promised you would probably be better off buying one off Wish.com
I really find it hard to wrap my head around why this thread in Parts for Sale is still here giving the OP more chances to scam members out of their hard earned money and why he is still allowed to be a member here and hasn't been banned yet.
I'm guessing it must be an oversight or something.
According to many members here that paid their hard earned money and never got their product as promised you would probably be better off buying one off Wish.com
I really find it hard to wrap my head around why this thread in Parts for Sale is still here giving the OP more chances to scam members out of their hard earned money and why he is still allowed to be a member here and hasn't been banned yet.
I'm guessing it must be an oversight or something.
this is disappointing to read. from everythin i saw until the last 10-20 posts he had a great product that had been tried and improved upon over the years to where it was plug n play and not too stupid price wise. im in the process of replacing the entire dash wiring and adding power windows locks, and mirorrs harnesses to my car now, and thus i wanted to get the auto up/down harness now that ive got it all apart and it would be a pristine time to wire it in the car while im adding the power windows.... sounds like even if i were to get a reply there are others out there who are in front of me without product who have already payed and that is a shame. I am surprised however there are not other kits out there to do this as well already though being how the cars are starting to get some recognition in the classic / parts worlds.
