Guest

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=194325

How you like that?
I wont say much but... something tells me its time.

trans87

Man I got some choice words to say but I guess it would be wise to do so after I finish with this egghead

injdinjn

You guys need to contact some Georgia, or where ever he is, 3rd gen members and give them a power of attorney to confront this guy face to face.
Maybe if he finds out that Calif 3rd genners know people in Georgia he might get the idea that if he doesn't shape up he won't be selling any 3rd gen parts.

Dyno Don

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TTT
^^^

trans87

I put a reply in there. I appreciate the support from Don and James. I think we got him on the defense with all these people popping up showing their disgrace with what he has done. What a contradicting *** this guy is making himself in the thread

Jstcrzyengh

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I just brought up his contradictions again. This guy is a total freaking joke... It really makes me mad, when a company or individual does something like that. Nigel maybe a little threat of mail fraud would get you compensation or at the very least BRAND NEW injectors? You can't advertise one thing and than send a completely different thing without first giving the customer in opportunity to reject it. He knew exactly what he was doing. He advertised one, but knew he was selling another. I am really pissed off at this guy's attitude.

I do hope we can get you some kind of resolution Nigel.

James

Dyno Don

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I wanted to give him a chance to save what was left of his good name and do the right thing, he chose to take the cavalier attitude instead. I started my first thread by letting him know this was his opportunity to make things right. Otherwise he would have no one to blame but himself. Now the whole board knows to deal with him at thier own risk.

Jstcrzyengh

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He's just getting his buddies to come over now. It's kind of funny, because if you read there responses, you would see that anyone with a shred of common sense could in no way see that millican is actually trying to resolve this. He should of given nigel his money back plus shipping costs, but instead he sent 8 more injectors that were all crap... How in anyway shape or form is that trying to resolve the issue?

Sorry for the venting Well, see if he actually responds... Did he send you an email yet Nigel?

James

Guest

I found the comment about how nobody has had problems with his manifolds pretty humorous. I dont think he wants me to do a search...

Jstcrzyengh

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No worries I can take care of that

Guest

I used to think that Canadians werent much different than people from the USA, but apparently they must breed them stupid up there.

Cruzin Kaz

Gee thanks Max...Glad ya noticed. Your like a totally different person over here, compared to NEThirgen.org that is. HMMM So ..LOL!! Just makes me feel more special...LOL!!! Remeber this...alot of Americans come here for there education...But I am not going to start a flame, but if your going to try to insult me..do it to my face like a man.!

Jstcrzyengh

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lol I have NEVER heard of anyone going to canada for their education, that is other than al qaeda cells. Im sorry, but I just can't name one school in Canada that anyone knows or would go to.

For madmax's comment:
:sillylol: :rockon: :hail: :sillylol:

Cruzin Kaz

LOL! Very sick people and comments you have down there in California.. No wonder I don't visit there. Enough with the stupidity here. Lets all grow up and go our seperate ways. For your info my friend, more so with the Navy mind you, but alot of your Navy people are trained right here in Esquimalt British Columbia. How do I know this you ask?? I use to be a 1st Class Petty Officer for the Canadian Navy, and assisted in the trainign of many American Navy forces, and quite a few times American ships would port here for training exercises and and different courses. But that is neither here nor there. Just stop with Canada vs. US stuff, as I felt as hurt, bad and betrayed when Sept 11th happened. ( I also lost a very close friend who worked in the Twin Towers, so don't get me going about that! ) So don't start with that type of garbage alright! Enough with this! I feel like I am back in grade school here. Good day everyone!

Jstcrzyengh

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Why are you on this thread?

Blackroc86

I just stumbled on the thread looking at the new posts since my last visit. It saddens me as a Canadian to hear other thirdgen members talk about us like that.

Dyno Don

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I think someone once said "Stick your neck in the noose and you are likely to get hung" all that was provided here was the rope.

Jstcrzyengh

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Guest

Thats what happens when people make generalizations about things they know nothing about... except in my case its not true, I was just trying to make a point.

-=SoCal WOLFPACK=-

trans87

John has written me an email to resolve this matter, we will see from there how things go. As past experiences has taught me this can still be far from over. I would like to thank the support from the "wolfpack" Since when are concerned consumers a "wolfpack" I was very much upset by John original proposal before this started but now it seems to be headed in the right direction.

Dyno Don

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I didn't want to tell John how to run his business but, if he wanted to save his good name and reputation, how much is it really worth. "I" think the best way to have handled this would have been....."Nigel, I am truly sorry for the mistakes I have made here and to make it right for all the heartache you have been thru I am going to refund your money and send you another set of "good" injectors that I am absolutely sure are ready to use and are correct, please forgive me for all that you have been thru".......There are many here on this site that would do and say just that. A man once said to me "your credibility and your good name is all you really have here on earth, take good care of them"....that man was my father, bless his heart I have always tried to live up to that.
Don>>>

Bens3rdGen

It's a shame more people don't live by this, maybe then I would have more than one mechanic......nah probably not.

trans87

How very true Don but some people just don't understand values. He could of saved face and ended everything by taking full responsibilty and doing as you said. Then nobody would be able to say anything because he would of handled the situation like a true businessman and gentleman. I understand mistakes can be made, its up to the person who made the mistakes to correct them. It shouldn't have to be the other way around.

Jstcrzyengh

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Well, I think it's funny he offered you 50% plus you got to keep the bad injectors to try to pawn off to someone else to get "your" money back. That's ridiculous. I guess he figures if he can do it everyone else has the stomach to do something like that. Not until we brought a little heat did he start to offer a 100% refund. Keep us posted Nigel on how it turns out. Gene has some injectors as wel I just picked some more up so I am sure we can get you on the road again with your own injectors.

James

trans87

First off he never said anything to me about keeping any of the injectors to get the refund back so I don't know what he is talking about. What he said was I send the old ones back and I get 50% of my money back or I opt for another set and send back the injectors. Here is what he wrote me the original time:

Either way now it seems he is willing to comply fully. I think he wasn't expected the backfire that happened.

Jstcrzyengh

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Well, he seems to be a scammer anyway you cut it. For him to lie again and say he offered you something he didn't just goes to show how much he cannot be trusted.

Bens3rdGen

It just would be nice if it didn't have to go to that extent.
I have been mistreated by vendors/dealers before, only I didn't have a "pack of wolves" to start barkin at em, so I got scewed.
They didn't need that "one" extra customer anyway. Now if it becomes a "group" of customers then they'll start complying. Why?
Mistreating one or a hundred doesn't matter, it's still BS, but the lartter hurts your pocketbook a little more.
That is why this stuff pisses me off so much, for every one circumstance like this, there are 10 others where the customer gets shafted and no one hears about it. Little vendors turn into big vendors and if they don't learn how to run a small buisiness, the large one is going to be twice as bad.

Jstcrzyengh

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Hey "the wolfpack" is actually pretty cool. Need to get some shirts made up that say

"So Cal Thirdgen Wolfpack"

Something like that. I would wear one.

Kevin91Z

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I think its funny he still cant spell your name right, "Nigal", even after several people have spelled it right for him, "Nigel".

Bens3rdGen

I'll take a Navy one. (So Cal Thirdgen Wolfpack)

Jstcrzyengh

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Who's the graphic artist of the bunch? I can do some web grahics, but we should put together a cool logo. We can show up to meets with it, when were at the track we can wear it. Maybe get more people into the club just from the Tshirts.

Don't know just a thought...

Also I emailed RCR and gave him a piece of my mind. It REALLY pissed me off the way he closed that thread. That was a vendor review board. We were reviewing a vendor and showing the bad along with the good, just because RCR got his panties in a bunch and didnt like it he took it upon himself to close the thread. What a dork. Fascist dork at that.

James

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Man, people are just downright incredible. They say what they want, but if someone else says whatever they want to them, there is a problem with that.

Since RCR closed the thread, I will put my .02 here since John finally figured out there is a search button. Not like this post was 'hidden' anyway.

Actually I dont, thirdgen.org does. In fact, if you want to be technically correct, Dirk did. But really that doesnt matter, what does is that there are entirely too many people going around saying or doing whatever they please, thinking that nobody will say anything back. That is the dumbest thing you can possibly think. I have 2 choices when this happens:

1. I ban the user for violating the TOS. If people would prefer I travel down this road, thats fine, just say so. I can tell you if I do this, there are going to be alot of people that cannot post anymore and I will not hold back on anyone that tries to test me. Maybe I'll be nice and give one PM warning. Then again, maybe I wont.

2. I will go ahead and continue what I choose to do, whether I just throw the same thing back at someone, or sometimes I go ahead and ban someone.

Regardless of my choice in the matter, people who want to violate the TOS of this site (which includes any remarks like the 'pack of wolves' comment that John Millican must apparently think is OK too) are going to find out one way or another that they cant just do that and get away scot free. I think that I'm being nice by making a point with people rather than just banning them, but apparently they dont agree. Sometimes I make remarks back to them, and sometimes I just tell them to watch what they say, and all I get in return is a bunch of lip with attitude. This has been a constant problem here ever since I can remember. They'd rather have me ban them and keep my comments to myself. Fine... have it your way guys.

Blackroc86

Lets see. You say when John Millican used the pack of wolves line that was seen as terrible. But you saying Canadians are bred stupid is alright.

The two don't even compare in my opinion.

Ban me if you wish.

A proud Canadian.

Guest

You arent helping... I guess I have to hold your hand and guide you.

Now, here is where I have one of the two choices listed above. I either ban Crusin Kaz for what he said, or I do what I did and make a remark to prove a point to him. That point is that he can dish out derogatory remarks, but he cant take them. If he cant (as I proved) then he should learn to keep his mouth shut. I thought I was being nice by letting him return to the site again, but obviously I was wrong and I should have just kicked him off permanently. It seems like thats how everyone wants it, they want the moderators to never say a word, and they never want to hear anything bad about themselves, but when they say something they shouldnt, well thats ok.

Maybe you'd like to see when I posted my comment?
08-11-2003 01:40 PM
And his was at:
08-11-2003 08:03 AM
Like, after he had already made the remark about anyone living in SoCal? You think thats ok, to call people names? Obviously not, you got pissed I called Candians stupid. Nobody here liked being called a hungry pack of wolves either, I can assure you of that.

BTW, where did I say that what I said was alright? Find it. You never will. What you will find, if you look, is that I did it intentionally to prove a point, and what do you know... I got just the response I expected, Cruisin Kaz doesnt like being called names. What a shock. Maybe he shouldnt do it either.

Do you understand now? And could you please stop putting words in my mouth?

A proud Southern Californian.... wolf

Cruzin Kaz

OK.. Can all this end?? This is getting far out of hand. By calling you a Pack of wolves, I wasnt' meaning it as as an Insult, and didn't expect it to be taken that way. But I didn't call any of you stupid either Chris, now did I?? No... I didn't. I also don't feel that what I said = to a decision to Ban me what so ever, I have heard a few of your members here threaten people literally( and menant it to) and yet they remain. I meant no harm in what I said except to say that you guys really stick together...hence the pack of wolves comment. I never called your entire country Stupid either. If you feel that banning me is the correct thing to do then so be it, I am not going to beg for forgiveness, but I really dont' believe that my spoken words are justification to ban me, if that is the case... two wrongs don't make a right, so you should recieve the same fait. So we all now know and realize that everyone that is a member of Thirdgen infact can read everyone elses post and can react accordingly. So lets all grow up here let it go and move on..This is just rediculous! So please lets just shake hands and move on.

Dyno Don

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I can accept that if you can try to contain yourself and not butt in where it is not in your best interest. However should you choose not to comply with that simple request we can always furnish the rope With that said ...yes lets be friends and enjoy the interests we share...Third Gens
Dyno "trying to be humble here" Don

P.S. I guess he doesn't mean what he says
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...61#post1441061

trans87

I think things just got a little out of hand. We lost what was important. John is resolving the problem with me and the other guy. I am hoping everything will be squared away with John and I so we can both move on from this experience. Yes people were angy, as anyone would be under these circumstances. What seemed like a good deal turned out to cost more than new injectors would of cost me. The right thing John should have done would do what Don said. I wasn't the one who screwed up, so why am I the one getting burned by this? I just look forward to getting what I originally paid for so I can give back the injectors I am borrowing. I say we all put an end to childish bickering and go on doing the hobby we love. I am hoping that what happened with the injectors doesn't happen ever again to anybody else. I am hoping future problems have been resolved by this show of concern. That being said, let's get back to having fun in our 3rd gens

Guest

See, now you are making exceptions to a general rule, that being: Dont throw stones in a glass house. Read your reply, you took what I said as an insult, and even went farther by calling us sick people too. Then you want to recant your own statement. Too late.

You guys are the ones that need to drop it. Somehow your statement wasnt an insult (and wasnt meant to be) and mine was... or at least what I said was worse. Give me a break already. I wont be banning myself anytime soon either for doing the same thing you did either. This is supposed to be a two way street. You want one way, go start your own website. You want a two way street where I say nothing in return from this point on and you make any remarks you want to whether intended to be insulting or not, you will find out that you wont visit here with your current username anymore.

Blackroc86

I agree. It is time to get back to talking about our cars. This is not the place for quasi political discussions. There are all kinds of other places on the net for that.

I won't be stirring the pot on this issue anymore.

Guest

Cool deal.

Can ya'll go back to school (stateside) and get a real education?

And I see the jury is still out on #1.

People sure dont reason well when their head is clouded with anger.

Steve89GTA

Interesting

hey madmax, are you simply a moderator here or do you run the place?

Jstcrzyengh

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D's89IROCZ

LMFAO B good alll ........ oppps

Cruzin Kaz

Steve and Dan I appreciate the support, but lets not drag this on anymore guys. the only reason I posted the links in our area was for you to decide for yourselfs what wnet down, as I thought I was going to be banned by the sounds of it, not to get Chris more pissed at me. But I do appreciate the support none the less, but I can handle it.

Thanks.

Jstcrzyengh

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What do you need support for? You stuck your nose in caused problems on a subject/topic you had no knowledge of, and thus had no need to be chiming in on. YOU than came to OUR board and started trouble. You than jump on madmax because he went back to your board after you posted additional things about us... Dude, Do you even know what a hypocrite is? Because you truly are ther poster child for hypocrite's all over the world.

Cruzin Kaz

Man you don't give up. I never asked anyone for support, they did it on there own, I just asked them to drop it myself. What more do you want? Really I ask you, do you want me to get down on my knees and ask your forgiveness? Not likely pal! The only reason I responed to Chirs's thread here was... he was no doubt talking about me with the Canadian comment, and that is the only reason I responded. At least Chris had the decency not to bring al queda and terrorist hub bub into the topic, not like you anyway. So lets just drop this will ya. I am trying to end it, and you continue to keep the crap flowing. What gives??? Your calling me a hypocrite?? Now that is a joke if I ever heard one. Please... Kevin or Chris whomever, even whether you hate me or you love me...lets just bring this to an end and lock this and leave it alone. The longer it stays open the worse it is going to get obviously.


Just so you remember what you said and so do others.

Guest

Hey Steve, does it really matter?

Guest

I see the Canadian pack of wolves has arrived.

Jstcrzyengh

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Just so everyone knows cruzin kaz sent me a PM that I was going to respond to him and let him know, no hard feelings, however he just keeps bringing more up. As a PS to cruzin

Everything I said in that statement is truthful. Many al qaeda cells are known to live and train in canada. Much easier to get into canada than it is to get into America. Also the failed hijacking attempt going to hit LAX the guy lived in Canada and purchased surface to air missiles in Canada to use on our planes. If I recall he got across the border, but got stopped in Washington somewhere. Also you made a statement that all these americans go to get their education in Canada, than you can't name a school, you state that we train soldiers up there... Honestly man I was just telling you the truth. Everyone comes to the US to learn, not Canada.

More threads where cruzin kaz is trying to end it, by bringing up the wolf pack

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=196059

Cruzin Kaz

Man come on enough already... that was yesterday when all this was happening.. You guys seemed to like the Wolf Pack idea by the sounds of it anyway, it's like I gave you a new club name. Whatever I tried to make peace and I am done with it all, take it as you wish or feel I don't really care, as I am here and you are there. So we dont' have to look at each other. If it makes you feel any better you can put me on your ingnore list and I can do the same if you like. It doesn't matter really. I tried to make my peace, and I also asked my fellow Canadians not to stir the pot or post their comments to worsen the situation, but all in all. This is over in my eyes, and if it isn't in yours then so be it!

BTW.. Jstcrzyengh. When I PM'ed you it was sincere and nothing but. So,,,,