I recall a current record pass of 12.63@109.84 back in September that I made in a lovely two tone 85. Now I know validity of this pass has been debated over the past few months due to the fact that the owner of the vehicle didn’t make the pass himself. Truth be told we were in the process of tuning when this pass was made. James was at work and the purpose of my being at the track was to record data while experimenting with different shift points.

So I ask you my fellow members, does this pass count? I’m a third gen owner, chair on the board of this club, and I’m an avid participant, coordinator, and host of club events. Vince, Don, and I have all made passes in other club members vehicles achieving numbers substantially lower than the owners themselves. Are we simply providing services by giving these owners high watermarks to shoot for or do these numbers mean actually mean something? If someone makes a record pass in a vehicle other that their own does it count? Please be thorough in your responses as I feel this is a very interesting topic and will be received well. Because I’ve got a lovely 12.3X@11X.XX time slip I’d love to share with you but if it doesn’t mean anything then why would I?

I thank you in advance for your input…

-M

 

I believe that it does count. But what it actually counts for is what I have difficulty placing my finger on. I recall that Jerry M let Kevin take a pass in his 92Z on the bottle so that Kevin would get a 12.X pass at Pomona (this was before Kevin ran a 12.X in the Candy Cane) and that at that time the posting on the old SC3GFB board raised quite a stir. Not that Kevin drove the car faster than Jerry but that someone posted that Kevin had ran a 12 and many assumed it was in his own car. I personnally think that if members let other members and or friends drive their cars and that someone drives it faster then them at the track then it shows what the car is capible of and it only means that with both the combination of that car and driver that time is achieveable. There are many drivers here with a great deal more experience and talent than some of the members with faster cars. For example, I cut some of the worst 60' numbers of anyone on this board. I am sure that my car is a 12 second car right now, high 12s granted but a solid 12.X car none-the-less. I am also sure that if Jenibella, Don, Jerry, Mike, and or George took it for a pass down the track I would envy the results on the time slip. That is why I would never ask anyone else to drive my car, or allow anyone else to drive it. I have a great deal of pride invested in my IROC and also in the fact that everytime I take it to the track the times are improving, which in turn means my driving is improving. I therefore feel that the driver should keep the time, and that it be labled with which car but that when times posted it must be stated then who drove and with which car.

 

This has been so long ago.. The Event was the Fastest 3rdgen in So ca.. I don't remember if a date was even set for this event.. Everyone sneaked off at diffrent tracks and temp condtions that I would say all those times are not For the Event Fastest 3rdgen So ca.. So it does not matter who drove the car, if you have now a 12.00 pass.. Because someone else might have a better time now.. Set the Event date when all cars are going to be ready.. Every one race same day same place.. And please all get along

 

When you have a car fast enough and you have made a pass in it good enough to make the list (tongue in cheek)



If a precedent has been established such as SCFB time slip posting board, I feel that it should not be altered.
http://www.socal-fbodies.org/cars.html
However if we want to give credit to substitute drivers in some way that would be fine (ie. place a second listing below with a *)

 

The only thing it tells us is what the car can do, and what the owner cant. If you wanna list it, thats fine but I think it should be made clear who the driver is.

Ever watch drag racing? The driver's name is right there on the car, and there are many times that isnt the same person who owns it. Hell anymore its the sponsor, but anyway...

 

I personally think that it should not count. I have had other people, " besides myself" drive my car at autocross events for 3 reasons:

1) To see the true potential of the car when driven properly

2) To get insight on changes and vehicle reactions under
race conditions.

3) To improve my driving skills by watching/ or riding along with a more experienced driver driving the car.

I believe that the same can be said under a drag racing situation.

If a car makes a pass and sets a benchmark run with a driver other than the "normal" driver, Then that run would only be good for that car and driver combination. Any other driver would change the working combination for better or worse. The results would be like making a pass at carlsbad and then trying to compare it to a pass at LA County raceway at a higher elavation.

 

Vince and Don Try to do that all the time, wxcept it's Fontucky and Carlsbad

 

If you were trying to be totally fair you would have to list all the variables. But that wouldn't be much fun.

 

Vince would like to neglect the variables...namely altitude, air temperature, etc.

 

We need to be carefull not to make a list were any time slip from any car from any era gets listed.

Any time slip that is not from you driving your car should have a note stating the facts.

 

Does it count? It all counts, it just depends on how you want to count it. Sounds like there needs to be some guidelines setup on how runs will be counted, otherwise it's chaos and smack talkin', but it is entertaining to read.

 

Racing of any type, in my twisted mind anyway, is a team sport. If every guy that owns a car and drives that car was the only one allowed to work on any part of it, where would we be?

I'm a decent wrench, but I have no experience in drag racing, and am a large person. That being the case, why should I even bother to do anything to my car if I will be working at such a massive disadvantage? It counts, but the driver name should be noted.

Troy
So Cal

 

Yeah but you gotta be fair and say what else was done to the car. This wan't our regular street trim run and I won't elaborate on what else was done...

 

Yeah James No matter what that slip counts for your car but does not count for the fastest 3rdgen So Ca. As there was No event scheduled. And your seats No big deal.. Id take mine out also.. Esp if my stock 350 was looking to break into the 13's id take out the seats..

 

"event scheduled" hahahahahahahahahaha

That's pretty funny.

As far as I care any track day is an invitation to anybody, SC3G sanctioned (bwaahahaha) or not.

 

Troy, Mike (reddrocket) is a large guy too, and he has run faster in James' car than James has. So dont worry about it. Racing is about having fun. Practice will get you better at it.

 

Ahhh thanks Kevin? But he is absolutely correct. I’m 5’7” and at the time I ran that number was pushing 340+. So to call me petite would be comical at best.

Let’s start with a girthy Mexican, add a healthy dose of short mans complex, a dash of arrogance, a heaping spoonful of skill, and ah yes coat it all in vanity. Now his is what I call a sexy bitch that knows how to go fast.

With all seriousness it doesn’t matter, it’s all about hanging out, talking smack, and celebrating each others accomplishments.

 

...and beating the Lorentzen's

 

Thanks for the acknowlegement of the benchmark to shoot for

Oh.....and make sure you don't forget it Ha Ha Ha!

 

OMG! 5'7" and 300+lb's? That's not healthy. That's a middle aged heart attack waiting to happen.LOL! J/K

Here's my .02. Yes, I think the name of the "hired gun" should be listed under the times achieved. That way you can say, wow that car can do xx.xx times with a good driver like Don, or Jenibella, or even Mr. Gumby if he's driving it.LOL!

Whoever is driving the car should be listed with the times achieved. It doesn't do you any good driving around in your 12.xx second ride thinking your a bada$$ if only YOU can pull a low 14.xx time out of it. Like when I used to drive my uncle's '01 SS. Here was a car capable of very low 13's or even high 12's stock with a good driver like Don, Jenibella or whoever else is really good, but I'd probably barely be able to pull a low 14.xx out of it because of my inexperience with driving a 6-speed manual.

It's funny in a way. Today, you have car owners who have other people "fix" and "maintain" their cars. Car owners who have other people "wash" their cars. And, car owners who have other people "race" their cars for them. Isn't this kinda like a "sponsorship" or something? They own the title to the cars, but that's about it. Like the stereotypical Ferrari, Lambo or McLaren owner.LOL!

 

So how much HP does 'The Club' really add fellas?

 

Ya. Kevin is no problem but I've been working on you by reducing my 60'. It's cost me a rear end and a clutch recently but all the Wednesday's/Friday's for the last couple months at LACR with GPL/Jenibella and Mike doing the "Palmdale Roundabout" will no doubt payoff

 

Well, It does not matter.. All we know now is that James is preparing for what he really wanted The Fastest So Ca 3rdgen..
So I heard someone has been real nervous lately James.. And you notice Vince has been real quite lately? What could he be doing? Vincent is on a mission..

 

Yeah and I know some of his plans -

 

Vincent =

 

James=

 

Kevin=

After engine freshening

(me thinks James has too much time on his hands) read... needs to go back practicing!

 

No it's more like:

Kevin =

 

Well that's what you think.. After riding with Kevin yesterday That Z was quick and Kevin was straight up hammering it down pretty good..