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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 12:58 AM
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Where can I get low mileage LT1 engine in SoCal....?
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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You will have to do your research. There is no such thing as a "Low Mileage Used Engine Store." Check the recycler every week. You might try the pap yard's premium lot. With low mileage, a wreck of that late a model will probably be bought by a conventional wrecking yard, where they will pull the engine and strip the car, but you would have to pay a premium price for anything from the car.
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Also make sure your search includes all vehicles that came with LT1s if that is what you are looking for, in most cases you would at least want to clean up the heads and probably change the cam so purchasing one from a Caprice or a Roadmaster for example shouldn't be too much of a concern. Also if you really want low mileage meaning not doing any motor work before you drop it it, I honestly would save up for a crate motor. If you want a good used cheap motor with a warrenty that is going to be pretty difficult to find. Good luck with your search
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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yeah...I quess you are right.It is kind a hard to get one with low mileage.I think better get the crate engine with warranty.

I know one place in east coast called gmpartsdepot.

Any suggestion where to get one...in Socal..?

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I was going to suggest http://www.turnkeyenginesupply.com/ but then I noticed they spelled it "camero".
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I got one with 124K
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 02:20 AM
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For Sale...?
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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Is it complete w/all accessories?
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 10:13 AM
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I have 2k ready to spend for labor and parts. I know that is not much.

Hi Don...you must be kevin's dad..I used to live in orange long time ago. What is you office hour there..I like to stop by some time..maybe you can help me install this LT1/LS1 ....
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I have 2k ready to spend for labor and parts. I know that is not much.

Hi Don...you must be kevin's dad..I used to live in orange long time ago. What is you office hour there..I like to stop by some time..maybe you can help me install this LT1/LS1 ....
If you can get the install for around $500, or do it yourself, LT1's are about the same as installing a Gen I. LS1's is where things differ, but with the new parts out there that isnt even that difficult. Heck they are making new Kmembers that make an LS1 near drop in. My buddy can get an LT1 all day long for around $1k, shipping is going to be high, probably $500... But it will be complete and running. Hard to find an LT1 in so cal for $1500, especially one ready to drop in.
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Jstcrzyengh
If you can get the install for around $500, or do it yourself, LT1's are about the same as installing a Gen I. LS1's is where things differ, but with the new parts out there that isnt even that difficult. Heck they are making new Kmembers that make an LS1 near drop in. My buddy can get an LT1 all day long for around $1k, shipping is going to be high, probably $500... But it will be complete and running. Hard to find an LT1 in so cal for $1500, especially one ready to drop in.
Is that Isercastik with the lt1? He is Down By S.D
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Out of my curiousity, with LS1 prices falling, wouldnt it be a better route to go with one of them as opposed to an LT1, or is the price differential between the LS1 and LT1 still great?
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Out of my curiousity, with LS1 prices falling, wouldnt it be a better route to go with one of them as opposed to an LT1, or is the price differential between the LS1 and LT1 still great?
Yes
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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Hey guys...just found a place that selling 96 Chevy Impalla V8 FI 5.7 L. for $650.00 complete eng with 4 months warranty.

Is this engine the same as 95 Camaro V8 5.7 LT1 ?
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The lower is the same, I believe the heads are all aluminum on LT1s but I am very certain you will find that the cam is different, meaning that you would probably want to swap at least the cam. If you are looking to just purchase an engine pay for R&R and get the motor installed I would go with a crate. If you are willing to do things in stages and definitely have decided on an LT1 I would get the lower end if you can, then decide on your intake if you want just the stock LT1 and heads or if you plan on making more power maybe the LT4 upgrade is a consideration. Overall it just depends on what your plans are for the car, if you want to keep it a daily driver then you might want to just go with a decent crate to 'try' and keep it as simple as possible
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 01:01 PM
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my plan is how can I swap my 91 camaro V6 FI auto into V8 auto (reuse my 700R4) with 350 HP in mind and easy to install.

Easy to install for me mean I dont have to do lot of mods(welding etc). Bolt on preferable.

I like to do it myself if possible and this car is for every day commute to work.
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Hey guys...just found a place that selling 96 Chevy Impalla V8 FI 5.7 L. for $650.00 complete eng with 4 months warranty.

Is this engine the same as 95 Camaro V8 5.7 LT1 ?
I don't think the Impala had AL heads. I believe they were all Iron, except for the Camaro and the vette. The caprices that got LT1's got IRon heads as well.



As far as LS1's to LT1's.. Cost to performance is still on the LT1. LS1 hasnt quite gotten there yet. Plus in California getting GOOD headers or anything for an LS1 can be a pain. LT1 uses thirdgen headers, for example the SLP 1 3/4's. Also remember anything prior to 88 is one cat.
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Originally posted by Jstcrzyengh
I don't think the Impala had AL heads. I believe they were all Iron, except for the Camaro and the vette. The caprices that got LT1's got IRon heads as well.



As far as LS1's to LT1's.. Cost to performance is still on the LT1. LS1 hasnt quite gotten there yet. Plus in California getting GOOD headers or anything for an LS1 can be a pain. LT1 uses thirdgen headers, for example the SLP 1 3/4's. Also remember anything prior to 88 is one cat.
I could have sworn that the last couple LT1s I found in the PAP in roadmasters or caprices had AL heads, oh well.

However I think that LT1s pale quite badly in comparison of the performance department to LS1s I mean they obviously changed powerplants for a reason. Also headers are completely different for any year of f-body LT1 powered. There is actually a certain set of headers for 93-94 and then another set of headers for 95-97. This would not be of guess work but rather because I own a 97 SS with SLP Headers and trust me they look nothing like thirdgen SLP Headers
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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This would not be of guess work but rather because I own a 97 SS with SLP Headers and trust me they look nothing like thirdgen SLP Headers
That would be due to the fact that they are not in a thirdgen

Not to question your sources or anything but check it out on the boards. For headers there is NO difference between any of the years for a thirdgen.

Anywho. Go buy an LS1, go put the money in converting it over to a thirdgen. Now I will go buy an LT1 and with the same money or LESS the LT1 will not only spank that LS1, but spank it bad. Because my money will be in mods not in getting the thing to fit right. Not to mention an LT1 costs about a third less to begin with.

Also the reaosn they changed is frankly GM was ahead of its time with TPI, but fell behind when it came time to go to composite manifolds, light weight engines, etc... Ford beat them to that punch and hence one of the reasons why the Mustang out sold Camaros and Firebirds 2:1, and why the mustang is still being sold, and we have the GTO. The driveline of a camaro with the looks of a honda

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Originally posted by JavaDude
my plan is how can I swap my 91 camaro V6 FI auto into V8 auto (reuse my 700R4) with 350 HP in mind and easy to install.

Easy to install for me mean I dont have to do lot of mods(welding etc). Bolt on preferable.

I like to do it myself if possible and this car is for every day commute to work.
Only F-bodies and 'Vette's had aluminum heads, all others had iron.
You can't use your 700R4...different bolt pattern.
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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Guys...which one better the AL or Iron head..?How many Hp I can get out of this Impala eng..?

Do you think this impala engine will fit nicely (no welding) to my car except need V8 eng mounting, coils,...etc.

Don said my old trany wont fit to this new eng. Now I need to find a diff trany..any sugestion..?
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Guys...which one better the AL or Iron head..?How many Hp I can get out of this Impala eng..?

Do you think this impala engine will fit nicely (no welding) to my car except need V8 eng mounting, coils,...etc.

Don said my old trany wont fit to this new eng. Now I need to find a diff trany..any sugestion..?
Ditch the impala engine, go with one from a camaro, or better yet a vette. A vette accessories makes it easier for you to install with AC., and put a T56 behind it. IF you must go with a probuilt 700R4. Check out the boars, but I think iti s pro-built.net, not sure.
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Anywho. Go buy an LS1, go put the money in converting it over to a thirdgen. Now I will go buy an LT1 and with the same money or LESS the LT1 will not only spank that LS1, but spank it bad. Because my money will be in mods not in getting the thing to fit right. Not to mention an LT1 costs about a third less to begin with.



I think i agree with JSTC. Where can I get crate LT1 complete with the trany..?

I can wait to do this swap now...:lala:
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Anywho. Go buy an LS1, go put the money in converting it over to a thirdgen. Now I will go buy an LT1 and with the same money or LESS the LT1 will not only spank that LS1, but spank it bad. Because my money will be in mods not in getting the thing to fit right. Not to mention an LT1 costs about a third less to begin with.

Heck, for that matter, my TPI car costs less and makes more power than an LT1 or an LS1 car. And a carb engine is even cheaper.
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Heck, for that matter, my TPI car costs less and makes more power than an LT1 or an LS1 car. And a carb engine is even cheaper.
Agreed, however minor changes to an LT1, compared to MAJOR changes to a TPI motor. Cost wise I bet the LT1 still comes out on top. Not to mention you are still CARB effective and you get relatively good gas mileage. You go carb, there goes your wallet
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Okay, out of more curiousity (i know it killed the cat) i see the LT1 to LT4 conversion for sale in Summit for 2K plus....what are the differences between the heads and intake? Are the differences worth that much money?
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Okay, out of more curiousity (i know it killed the cat) i see the LT1 to LT4 conversion for sale in Summit for 2K plus....what are the differences between the heads and intake? Are the differences worth that much money?
Not really, put the money into porting and you will have better flow and better parts on your stock LT1 stuff for the same money if not less.
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Okay, out of more curiousity (i know it killed the cat) i see the LT1 to LT4 conversion for sale in Summit for 2K plus....what are the differences between the heads and intake? Are the differences worth that much money?
The LT4 heads and intake flow much better than the LT1 stuff, plus it includes the LT4 HOT cam. It will take your LT1 from 300 HP to 400 HP.
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The LT4 heads and intake flow much better than the LT1 stuff, plus it includes the LT4 HOT cam. It will take your LT1 from 300 HP to 400 HP.
I think saying that bolting on LT4 heads, intake and hot cam will give you 100hp, that's a little generous. However, I stand by the fact that for that same 2k+ you can get a LT1 to produce more power. If using your numbers 300 to 425 for the same number... The reason being you will have custom grinded cam, still have the same emissions, and everything will be port matched, unlike the LT4 which are production parts...
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I've been looking all over the net and recycler couldn't find LT1.

I called GMpartsdepot for crate eng, they said it would be special order and will cost me around $5k. wow...cost more than LS1.

Anyone Know how to get this engine...easy and bargain price..?
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How much do you want to spend. My buddy can get you one and I can hook you up with him, but it is going to be $1.5k - $2k because of high shipping costs.
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http://motors.search.ebay.com/lt1-en...Z6000QQsaspiZ2

Thats just a search I did on ebay for LT1 engine.
Some listings they throw in the trannys as well.
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thanks for the link..I'll check it out...
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How much do you want to spend. My buddy can get you one and I can hook you up with him, but it is going to be $1.5k - $2k because of high shipping costs

I prefer here locally, try to avoid shipping cost and low budget..
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How much do you want to spend. My buddy can get you one and I can hook you up with him, but it is going to be $1.5k - $2k because of high shipping costs

I prefer here locally, try to avoid shipping cost and low budget..
Ok, well let me know. I haven't seen any complete running LT1's for $1500 locally. You can check Apple Dismantling in the LBC, they do a lot of 4th gen stuff.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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I think saying that bolting on LT4 heads, intake and hot cam will give you 100hp, that's a little generous.

summit part # NAL-GMP3287-2

425+ proven HP..

you shouldnt "think" so much...


also cruise over to the LT1 board or cz28.. i have searched and found guys actually coming out with hp just over that or right at it..

remember 96-97 LT1's from Fbodies were rated @ 285hp.. thats nice increase dont ya think??

the is power jk
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summit part # NAL-GMP3287-2

425+ proven HP..

you shouldnt "think" so much...


also cruise over to the LT1 board or cz28.. i have searched and found guys actually coming out with hp just over that or right at it..

remember 96-97 LT1's from Fbodies were rated @ 285hp.. thats nice increase dont ya think??

the is power jk
Hate to be the bearer of your bad news But first summit is trying to sell something. That is #1. #2 is the fact that the stock LT4 made 330factory HP and it made the other 30hp at 5800RPM compared to the 300 a LT1 makes at 5000. So what YOU are telling ME is that the hot cam, makes 100 additional hp?

Sorry but I got to on that one. So you better do a because you will find that those numbers are way off. Also you would than have an LT1 bottom and LT4 top... Eh go figure... Believe all the advertising hype you want. You spend your $2,400 converting to that combo. Ill spend it building a stock LT1 and we will see what happens
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The LT4 kit alone isnt getting you 425 HP for one, it will require all of the supporting mods, headers, air intake, etc, so at that point you're at about 325-330 HP with the Lt1, like he said 100 HP from the heads / cam / 1.6 rockers, eh not really worth it, money better spent on ported stock heads.
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So what YOU are telling ME is that the hot cam, makes 100 additional hp?
nope.. im not telling you that.. this is what i found

Facotry 1996 LT4
Engine : 5.7-liter MFI V8 LT4
Horsepower: 330@5800 rpm
Torque: 340 lbs.-ft.@4500 rpm
Block: Cast iron, 4-bolt mains
Crankshaft: Cast iron, undercut and rolled journal fillets
Pistons: Cast aluminum
Compression: 10.8:1
Cylinder heads: Aluminum, with 185cc intake port volume
Combustion chambers: 54.4cc
Valves: 1.94 intake/1.50 exhaust
Valve spring pressure: 100 lbs.
Rocker arms:1.5:1 adjustable, self-aligning, stamped steel
Camshaft: Roller
Lift: .447 intake/.459 exhaust
Duration: 202° intake/208° exhaust@.050-inch
Intake manifold: Aluminum, matched runners
Torsional Damper: Dual mass


there are some differences in this LT4 from the factory, and the summit/gmpartsdirect kit

differences are:
195cc intake runner
2.00 intake valve
1.55 exhaust valve
1.6 roller rockers
Cam specs 218/228 @.050inch .525/.525 lift 112 lobe
lightweight spring caps

not to mention the additional computer work needed to max out the performance of this. as well as a full exhaust.

call me an idiot, really nice and classy there guy. im not going to give you the time of day with a retort.

Also you would than have an LT1 bottom and LT4 top... Eh go figure
oh so you need a 4 bolt main to acheive 400+ hp?? pfff

i also like the way you took my post as hostile... are you always defensive? take a vacation from the Ego.. its not needed here.

have a wonderful day, my new best friend.



eh not really worth it, money better spent on ported stock heads
you would spend 2,300$ on porting stock heads? ok.. all that work and no cam?
jk i know what you mean

i never said the 2,300 was worth it.. to some it is.. most its not.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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lol You PROVED my point, funny enough.. by saying that their is a minor difference between the one on summit and a stock LT4 IE the hot cam for the most part...

Why quote summit and say "You can get this" and then "retort" later and say "well oh yeah you need everything else to go with it" Well duh! lol and if you had "everything else to go with it" on the LT1 guess what? IT would make more power too! Wow cool new concept, comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Unfortunately you got it backwards and started comparing Apples to oranges

Also where do you get your LT1 heads to get them ported for $2.4k Because that is a lot of money, when fully race ported exchange heads are readily availble to drop in for $1,500 (with 1.6's). Now you go get yourself a custom cam. Splurge on it a bit let's say $400 for the cam. Now get the intake matched to flow as much as the heads... Say $200? For the most part... We are now up to $2,100... Still $300 shy? Hmmm Well, we could go get a bigger TB, heck get a bigger one on Ebay save yourself some MORE money. OR spend it getting the Computer tuned. Now you are at the same money as the LT4, guess what though... Your making more power and you are more efficient doing it and you are using WAY better then stock performance parts. Now you have a car that is more efficient making more power, and then you get to add exhaust! Oh and for the same money my LT1 is tuned to run with my combo...

Im not being defensive with you man. You just need to either post with EVERYTHING you want to say upfront and post with CORRECT information, or face people proving you otherwise. Now my LT1 will be a lot more than any of this so it makes no matter to me My procharger costs more then the whole LT4 conversion.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
oh so you need a 4 bolt main to acheive 400+ hp?? pfff
Do you need it? Nah. Should you have it? Uh YEAH! Why not take the added insurance? Personally I am going to splayed caps, because I am going to be twisting this mother... But anything over 400hp, in my opinion, and Mopars, GM's, Ford's, etc... is go to 4 bolt main. How many production vehicles do you know making 400hp stock with 2 bolts?
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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Hey Jstcrzyengh-

Thinking of swapping my 305 out of my 88 IROC Convertible. What engine combination is the best bang for the buck. Although staying away for Nitrous, strictly all motor with the possiblity of adding a supercharger in the future. Also could you provide specs and pricing on your motor. I do not have a unlimted budget but willing to spend about 4k.
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
nope.. im not telling you that.. this is what i found

Facotry 1996 LT4
Engine : 5.7-liter MFI V8 LT4
Horsepower: 330@5800 rpm
Torque: 340 lbs.-ft.@4500 rpm
Block: Cast iron, 4-bolt mains
Crankshaft: Cast iron, undercut and rolled journal fillets
Pistons: Cast aluminum
Compression: 10.8:1
Cylinder heads: Aluminum, with 185cc intake port volume
Combustion chambers: 54.4cc
Valves: 1.94 intake/1.50 exhaust
Valve spring pressure: 100 lbs.
Rocker arms:1.5:1 adjustable, self-aligning, stamped steel
Camshaft: Roller
Lift: .447 intake/.459 exhaust
Duration: 202° intake/208° exhaust@.050-inch
Intake manifold: Aluminum, matched runners
Torsional Damper: Dual mass


there are some differences in this LT4 from the factory, and the summit/gmpartsdirect kit

differences are:
195cc intake runner
2.00 intake valve
1.55 exhaust valve
1.6 roller rockers
Cam specs 218/228 @.050inch .525/.525 lift 112 lobe
lightweight spring caps

not to mention the additional computer work needed to max out the performance of this. as well as a full exhaust.

call me an idiot, really nice and classy there guy. im not going to give you the time of day with a retort.



oh so you need a 4 bolt main to acheive 400+ hp?? pfff

i also like the way you took my post as hostile... are you always defensive? take a vacation from the Ego.. its not needed here.

have a wonderful day, my new best friend.





you would spend 2,300$ on porting stock heads? ok.. all that work and no cam?
jk i know what you mean

i never said the 2,300 was worth it.. to some it is.. most its not.
You are also completely missing the fact that those kits are designed to produce that 425 HP with a full supporting exhaust system, headers, catback, extra fuel etc, you really think the LT4 is ONLY going to make 330 HP with a full exhaust system on it and some tuning ? Heck we wont even touch on the fact that those things were unerrated from the factory, most of them run right on par with the strong LS1 factory cars out there, go figure....

And a set of NICE ported heads and cam kit for an LT1 is $1650, they will also outdo that LT4 "hot" kit by a longshot, go figure.

Your data on the LT4 is also incorrect, oddly enough it came with crane gold race rockers straight from the factory.

Last edited by Z28ricer; Jan 22, 2005 at 02:41 AM.
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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guys...I just found a place that can remanufacture LT1 engine.

Long block they asked for $2200.00 with 3 yrs unlimited miles warranty. new pistons, rings, etc...

Short block for $1250.00 with 1 yr and 12k miles..

The thing is... I dont know what kind of LT1 they have there ?
I need to verify the casting# maybe..I told them for 95 camaro.

Also I am wondering what kind of new pistons, rings...ect they will install on that block.

I like the idea short block and put LT4 heads on...

Anyone can tell me the idea remanufacture engine....?
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by JavaDude
guys...I just found a place that can remanufacture LT1 engine.

Long block they asked for $2200.00 with 3 yrs unlimited miles warranty. new pistons, rings, etc...

Short block for $1250.00 with 1 yr and 12k miles..

The thing is... I dont know what kind of LT1 they have there ?
I need to verify the casting# maybe..I told them for 95 camaro.

Also I am wondering what kind of new pistons, rings...ect they will install on that block.

I like the idea short block and put LT4 heads on...

Anyone can tell me the idea remanufacture engine....?
$2,200 is a stock rebuild they wont warrant anything that is a performance build.
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