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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 02:32 AM
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Hehehehe.... I'm almost done. The only problem I have now is that I definitely need a roll bar. With all the material I cut out, the back end has been weakened. I'm considering ordering up the jegster 12 point cage and just installing the 6 points (rear stays, main hoop, door bars) for now and just have the rest of it available for when I decide to go do some open track stuff.

The funny thing is I can get that from jegs, shipped to me, for less than the 4 point that autopower sells if i go pick it up myself from San Diego. Those guys are smoking crack down there.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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Be carefull about tube size. Jegs stuff is drag racing spec, roll bars are 1 3/4 and full cage is 1 5/8. so if you get a full cage kit and only install the roll bar you will not be legal at any event, drag or road. Also SCCA, Solo and others all require 1 3/4 cage the 1 5/8 will not work at any road race event.

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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JERRYWHO
Be carefull about tube size. Jegs stuff is drag racing spec, roll bars are 1 3/4 and full cage is 1 5/8. so if you get a full cage kit and only install the roll bar you will not be legal at any event, drag or road. Also SCCA, Solo and others all require 1 3/4 cage the 1 5/8 will not work at any road race event.

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Thanks for the tip jerry. I really should consult an scca or nasa rule book.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 03:29 PM
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What size tires are they?
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 04:00 PM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

Holy mackerel. It looks like the record time at Time Attack is going to be set by a 3rd gen. Question is which one? The competition is on.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 08:46 PM
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17x12 ccws with 335 hoosier r6s.

Don't know about an adams record but I'm going to try I still have a good bit of work to do.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 11:01 PM
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Are you planning on putting a rear seat back in?
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 11:17 PM
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Are you planning on putting a rear seat back in?

I've barely justified keeping the passenger seat much less the rear seat
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 11:41 AM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

Maybe you should leave the hood and hatch at home too.
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Maybe you should leave the hood and hatch at home too.
At the speeds ill be traveling ill need those for aerodynamics
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 01:00 PM
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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tires are hugeeee
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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I agree. Those tires are hugh and series.
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

well with the mods done to your car and a legal scca roll bar; I doubt you would be legal in any scca autocross class outside of street mod (SM) or prepared (P) either class you will get your **** handed to you if anyone any good shows up. This comment is not meant as a slam to you Pablo, It is just plain fact. those guys that run in those classes nationally, take it real serious and are all serious drivers.
Out side of that , I like what you have done. I will be pulling for you to get that time attack record.
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Old Oct 19, 2010 | 03:28 AM
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well with the mods done to your car and a legal scca roll bar; I doubt you would be legal in any scca autocross class outside of street mod (SM) or prepared (P) either class you will get your **** handed to you if anyone any good shows up. This comment is not meant as a slam to you Pablo, It is just plain fact. those guys that run in those classes nationally, take it real serious and are all serious drivers.
Out side of that , I like what you have done. I will be pulling for you to get that time attack record.
I gave up on staying autoX class legal. It's just too easy to mod these cars to hold them back like that. With the way they run the time attack sessions, I can't imagine the autocross is anywhere near as fun (granted I've never driven an autox). I'll still try to do one just for the heck of it.

BTW I've got a line on a CHEAP Ls1 that may eventually make its way into the car. An extra 150 lbs off the front plus all that power would make things interesting
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Old Oct 19, 2010 | 08:48 AM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

You better jump on that line quickly if its the one I think it is.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:37 AM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

yep that IS the way to go. LSx power! I will not change over to one in my own car. Because this is the last time around for me. Tired of building, modding, rebuilding and Paying $$$. When my car is done this time around, It goes on the auction block for what ever I can get out of it. The problem is knowing when it is done because they are never done.
Correct?
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:42 AM
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LOL correct

Thats how you keep them, telling the wife, honestly, "but honey it's not finished."
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:44 AM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

Originally Posted by RWB____s
yep that IS the way to go. LSx power! I will not change over to one in my own car. Because this is the last time around for me. Tired of building, modding, rebuilding and Paying $$$. When my car is done this time around, It goes on the auction block for what ever I can get out of it. The problem is knowing when it is done because they are never done.
Correct?
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RWB____s
well with the mods done to your car and a legal scca roll bar; I doubt you would be legal in any scca autocross class outside of street mod (SM) or prepared (P) either class you will get your **** handed to you if anyone any good shows up. This comment is not meant as a slam to you Pablo, It is just plain fact. those guys that run in those classes nationally, take it real serious and are all serious drivers.
What kind of cars run street mod (SM) or prepared (P)??
I put the C5 Z06 as my benchmark and hope to "out handle" and "out brake" it in my build. Are (SM) and (P) cars considerable faster than a C5 Z06 w/sticky tires?

PS, be careful with the LS1 comments. They are not taken lightly by the TPI cult in here, lol!
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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I put the C5 Z06 as my benchmark and hope to "out handle" and "out brake" it in my build.
LOL! You really need to set the benchmark a little higher. For one you can put a complete idiot behind the wheels of a C5 Z06 and spank him with a Prius provided the driver knows what he is doing. What good is a 'supercar' without the skill set to take full advantage of its capabilities.

It's never just the car... it's the combination of car, the modifications done to it, and the drivers skill set.

If you're looking for a 'benchmark' then make it a time around a given course because there are plenty of Honda Civic's that can out handle and out brake a factory C5 Z06.

It's all relative
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LOL! You really need to set the benchmark a little higher. For one you can put a complete idiot behind the wheels of a C5 Z06 and spank him with a Prius provided the driver knows what he is doing. What good is a 'supercar' without the skill set to take full advantage of its capabilities.

It's never just the car... it's the combination of car, the modifications done to it, and the drivers skill set.

If you're looking for a 'benchmark' then make it a time around a given course because there are plenty of Honda Civic's that can out handle and out brake a factory C5 Z06.

It's all relative
I don't think were comparing this to unexperienced drivers behind the wheel of a c5 z06.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

PS, be careful with the LS1 comments. They are not taken lightly by the TPI cult in here, lol!
It's a small cult of purists.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 05:18 PM
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I don't think were comparing this to unexperienced drivers behind the wheel of a c5 z06.
I would hope not… Perhaps your brother can help me understand his statement. If he‘s utilizing a C5 Z06 as a ‘benchmark’ then what are we talking about exactly? Braking, acceleration, slalom, etc? Who’s driving it? Which track is it being driven on?
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by injdinjn
It's a small cult of purists.
Careful... You're gonna get your hand smacked
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Hey, we will see you guys at the http://www.losangelesinvasion.com/ See what TPI cars can do.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

Originally Posted by Grey Goose
LOL! You really need to set the benchmark a little higher. For one you can put a complete idiot behind the wheels of a C5 Z06 and spank him with a Prius provided the driver knows what he is doing. What good is a 'supercar' without the skill set to take full advantage of its capabilities.

It's never just the car... it's the combination of car, the modifications done to it, and the drivers skill set.

If you're looking for a 'benchmark' then make it a time around a given course because there are plenty of Honda Civic's that can out handle and out brake a factory C5 Z06.

It's all relative
For Laguna Seca, the old SCCA T1 record (qual) is 1:40:7 by Scotty B White in a C5 Z06 w/sticky tires. Is 1:40 really a low benchmark @ Laguna Seca? Better yet, is this a low benchmark for a 3rd gen?
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Originally Posted by injdinjn
It's a small cult of purists.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

Originally Posted by Z28FAST1
For Laguna Seca, the old SCCA T1 record (qual) is 1:40:7 by Scotty B White in a C5 Z06 w/sticky tires. Is 1:40 really a low benchmark @ Laguna Seca? Better yet, is this a low benchmark for a 3rd gen?
There we go! Now if you would have included this in your original post, it would have made complete sense

1:40:0 is wicked fast for a production car at Mazda Raceway and quite a brass ring to shoot for in a 3rd gen. Lets just say that I'm confident it can be done. It's just going to cost a lot of money to do it with a 3rd gen.
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thats ok I use to live in So-Cal and we know each other. They even think less of carbed cars on trailers
Yes the street mod and prepared cars are faster than the vettes. SM cars were dominated for a time by turbo bmw's with factory backing; the prepared cars are pretty much tube frame race cars with unlimited suspensions, mega HP/torque engines running on road racing slicks not DOT road racing radials. SCCA caters to the imports in street modified. they pushed the camaro,mustang cars out of being competitive by rule changes., The new V8 M3 started out as a experiment of putting a BMW V8 in to a M3 chassis and adding a turbo for SCCA Street Mod class. When BMW found out what people were trying to do, BMW jumped in with back door help and engineering while SCCA looked the other way (Factory support was frowned upon) . But since it was BMW, they let it slide.
I built my car for the street mod class when SCCA first started the class. Then SCCA changed the rules after alot of people built their cars. Giving the class to the imports (BMW). I quit SCCA and went back to Drag racing. The pic in my Sig. is my car at its LAST local autocross.

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Originally Posted by Grey Goose
There we go! Now if you would have included this in your original post, it would have made complete sense

1:40:0 is wicked fast for a production car at Mazda Raceway and quite a brass ring to shoot for in a 3rd gen. Lets just say that I'm confident it can be done. It's just going to cost a lot of money to do it with a 3rd gen.
I'm a still a noob when it comes to sanctioned racing. Hopefully the big dogs here can teach me a thing or two once I actually have a chance to get out there.

Originally Posted by RWB____s
thats ok I use to live in So-Cal and we know each other. They even think less of carbed cars on trailers
Yes the street mod and prepared cars are faster than the vettes. SM cars were dominated for a time by turbo bmw's with factory backing; the prepared cars are pretty much tube frame race cars with unlimited suspensions, mega HP/torque engines running on road racing slicks not DOT road racing radials. SCCA caters to the imports in street modified. they pushed the camaro,mustang cars out of being competitive by rule changes., The new V8 M3 started out as a experiment of putting a BMW V8 in to a M3 chassis and adding a turbo for SCCA Street Mod class. When BMW found out what people were trying to do, BMW jumped in with back door help and engineering while SCCA looked the other way (Factory support was frowned upon) . But since it was BMW, they let it slide.
I built my car for the street mod class when SCCA first started the class. Then SCCA changed the rules after alot of people built their cars. Giving the class to the imports (BMW). I quit SCCA and went back to Drag racing. The pic in my Sig. is my car at its LAST local autocross.
Good info! Let us know if you ever bring the car out for an event. I would love to see this car as well as Pablo's and Jerrywho's tear up the track.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 09:20 PM
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Re: Think this will work at the time attack?

Originally Posted by Grey Goose

It's never just the car... it's the combination of car, the modifications done to it, and the drivers skill set.
Too bad, all I got is the driver skills.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28FAST1
I'm a still a noob when it comes to sanctioned racing. Hopefully the big dogs here can teach me a thing or two once I actually have a chance to get out there.
Believe me when I say that there is a wealth of information here

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Too bad, all I got is the driver skills.
LOL! C'mon Raul, you've been doing well at Adams with that mini rammed stroker. ON DRAG RADIALS TO BOOT!!!
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