I see alot of topics about people lowering their cars with springs but nothing about correcting your steering geometry in the process so I figured I would post this info.

Correct your tierod geometry (bump steer).
Look here for picture and description-
http://www.baer.com/options/STEERING.SHTM

Look here to order. You'll have to search by part # [ BR82 ]
so write down BR82 then click on site- http://www.yearone.com/serverfiles/f...ain2.asp?cat=G

Your alignment mechanic will respect you for lowering your car the right way.

 

Or use drop spindles. <--- Personal preference

 

At last!
Bump Steer-BAD.
These things have been available for years for Mustangs.
Finally someone's starting to make them for other cars.
I'm planning on getting these soon.
Anyone here put them on yet?

Thanks for posting this.
-Rich-

 

OK,what is your opinion for me...ive got airbags in my camaro(yes i actually do!)and ive 8 inches of lift and drop,yes it does look like a 4X4 when its jacked.Anyways,when its dropped,ive got crazy *** negative camber,the top of the front wheels suck in like a bitch!and when its jacked,it sucks out.Becuz im always,adjusting my suspension,do i need and alignment of what?

 

LowCamaro:

There is no exact answer for you (on many levels) The suspension is only designed to have correct geometry for a certain amount of travel. When you lower or raise the car, you adjust everything for the new ride height Since you are constantly changing the ride height there is no correct alignment setting... hense the reason your wheels get all sorts of screwed up. In order to maintain the correct suspension geometry you would have to completely change the suspension type. A double wishbone setup would probably work. Get the car aligned when you have the car in the middle of its' height range. Then you will be able to split the difference of the camber issues you have given the car.

 

I just bought a set of these. They are VERY nice pieces. TIP: order them from Scoggin Dickey and save $$$.

 

We have them.

http://www.racecraft.com


Thanks, Mark

 

Thanks for searching old posts to put your ad in.

 

I really didn't think it was an ad, just thought this forum might be interested in our progress on a part that so many people seem to be looking for ??

Thanks, Mark

 

Where? I dont see them.

 

On our front page top center is a link or on the left hand side under the Camaro products "drop spindles" I think I had this info on another post, but I think they might be getting deleted because we are not a sponsor of the board. Sorry?

Mark

 

Mark,

Thanks for stepping up and making parts for these cars! I remeber seeing your company's name on corner-carvers several times. I'll check them out, they look to be a stout peice.

I'll keep you in mind, when I get to the point of doing drop spindles (honestly it isn't high on my list, and $500 can go to a lot of other places first). What brake mounting options are on your spindles? Are you making them all 1LE spec? That would make things really easy if you did them all with the 1LE mounting holes, then there are a ton of diffrent brake options already available based on that mounting system.

--John

 

those are some nice looking pieces. I too would like to know about what kind of brake setup's you con put on these spindles, ls1? c5? c6?

 

Right now we have the holes in the stock location which fit the Strange drag kit. I am not familiar with the other brakes like the 1LE, C5,and C6 if someone wants to help us we can get the spindle to fit these other brakes.

Thanks, Mark

 

Attn: Mark/Racecraft.
I really think this is an important topic and a plus to the 3rd gen f-body community that I for one would highly encoursge you to start a new thread telling and promoting your new product. It is well needed and does not conflict with any simular part sold by any Sponsor since no other exists.

I would also encourage that subject tilte to simply read "Drop Spindles" so future searchs would easily find it.

Thumbs up

Dean
ps- Formerly know around here as AfrikinGoodTime. That was a long time and many names ago.

 

Haha, I saw the thread, and saw the name, and thought I was in a time warp. Or that hell froze over, and they let you back in officialy with your old name!

Mark,

The 1LE was "high performance" package available on these cars, they got 12" dual piston PBR calipers. Because of this the have slightly diffrent mounting holes. Basicly it uses the dust shield holes as the mounting for the caliper. Those of us with various diffrent brake upgrades use that style spindle modification to mount C4/C5/LS1/Wilwood/Brembo etc on our spindles.

Here is a picture of a spindle modified for brake upgrades.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...-spindles1.jpg

Basicly you cut off the top section and then use the dust sheild hole after tapping it out to accept a larger bolt.

 

Hey that wood floor looks familiar

 

I would imagine the spindles also look familiar. ;-)

 

Yes, that too.

I don't underatand why this Mark guy did not go with my suggestion and start a new thread on the drop spindles he is designing. Kind of silly. It would be a very beneficial topic and part that is long needed since the previous manufacturer discontinued these well over a decade ago from my knowledge. THe earlier models of these cars have just become classics @ 25 years old. Classics always rise back up in parts interest after the old, " the car's more than 5 years old now and nobody wants parts for them anymore" hgas worn off. Most companies only focus on brand new cars, or classics. Its time to start the classics boom on specialty parts.

 

The admin/owners of this site, probably PM'ed him. I actualy suprised they didn't ban him, and try to extort money out of him, in the form of advertising.

 

http://www.racecraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=300106

I can't tell from comparing the pictures to Dean's modded spindles, that, and I haven't held my spindles in my own hands yet to get a picture for what needs to be modded. They look like a quality part, and if they can be made to fit the 1LE brakes and mods, I might definitely reconsider lowering my car. Gatta give it fresh shocks/struts/strut mounts first and see how it all looks first of all though.

 

These Drop Spindles would be nice in so many ways.
1) keeps the roll center higher in the front but lowers the GC (center of gravity)
2) keeps the articulation of the A-arm in camber gain
3)keeps the strut to strut mount clearance greater yeilding more room without having to install shims or modified height strut mounts. EHlps maintain proper steering geometry.
4) Allows use of a taller coil for more free coils = better consistancy of spring rates through suspension travel.

It basically lets you lower the car and still maintain the ability of a working soft suspension in the front for good daily ride without having to go more stiff to avoid grounding out ontot he bump stops.

 

I've done a lot of research on the subject of drop spindles, and I decided I wouldn't lower my car without them. Now that they're available (but they have to fit the aftermarket brakes) I'm seriously reconsidering a drop. I bottom out a lot around here though, but I'm thinking it's just my front springs/shocks. (And it's not my driving, I do the side to side humpty dumpty over some of these speedbumps, and I still bottom out if I have a passenger. I now make them get out of the car. :P)

 

so....can I put my c5 brakes on them or not?

 

We need to find out if Racecraft is making the spindle bracket spred the 3.325" radius and 4.82" spread like the factory 1LE abutement mount spread. If it is idential, then the C5 kits can bolt on also.

Otherwise, Yes something ewlse could be made to fit them, but you would have to have that brakct thickness and offset custom machined if it does not match the specs I lsted about and am showing a diagram of.

NOTE: Its the smaller radius and closer holes that is the factory spindle specs for 1LE. The two hoiles that are .375" bore and threaded.
http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...52_51_full.jpg

 

Ah, I see. So Mr. Racecraft, what are the bracket spread specs?

 

Awesome sauce! See the plate that goes between the caliper and the spindle? If that's the factory strange plate, it bolts into the dust holes, which means these spindles are what we'd need for aftermarket brakes and a 2" drop.

Attached is the Strange install manual for the pro drag front disc brakes on a 82-92 F-body.

 

Posting that you have something, nobody else has, is only replying, not advertising, in my eyes.

Starting a new thread for Racecraft's products, by Racecraft, could be seen as advertising.

Like my STS. First off, I'm not a company anyways. But I started by posting what *I* had. Due to requests, a few more were made. Down to the last 3 units.

 

It's confirmed via part numbers. Part number 21 in the strange kit is the bracket that bolts into the tapped and threaded dust shield holes and then to the caliper itself. Part number 4118A from Strange, and you can clearly see it printed in the photos that Racecraft has attached. These will work for aftermarket brakes. This should be a sticky! Or a new thread made into a sticky! Now there is two manufacturers making drop spindles, and from what I hear of the other company they look horrible and fit even worse. These look like a nice clean fab job, and they resemble the stock parts, so fitment shouldn't be much of an issue.

 

I need to get a set of these....once I can afford mods again.

 

Thank you for doing the homework for us! I'm too lazy. Yes...c6 z06 brakes eventually...

 

That, and I found in another thread that Racecraft had posted in that the holes are based on the location of the dust shield holes in the original spindles. So 1LE and any aftermarket kits that use those holes will work, and I believe ALL of ebmiller's kits use them as well. So the only thing you won't be able to run on these is the stock brakes.

 

I was just looking to verify the capabilities of Ed's kits and they do look like they will all work fine. In that thought, I was checking for the location of the steering stop in relation to the aftermarket caliper brackets. There is no steering stop in the racecraft pictures. I hope he see's this and works that issue out somehow. THis is a perfect example how a specific post on these drop spindles would be beneficial to discuss over.

 

Isn't that a problem with any of the aftermarket brake setups? Reading around, it seems that people have had issues with the steering stops on their LS1 brake kits as well, even without dropped spindles.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brak...s1-brakes.html
Shows a possible solution to the issue.

 

I do not like the idea of runing without them. You over exert the steering box, rubbthe inner fenderwells, posibbly exceed Ackerman angles and induce scrub resulting in loss of traction, and run the risk of damaging componants and pinching brake lines, etc. You can get that inner wheel so far extended that the tierod can invert and sstick the wheel inward. Happens all the time on light weight go-karts when the wheels touch something a tad when cranked hard. just food for thought issues if it were not on there.

I made sure I engineered my custom built setup with the steering stops in tact on the spindles.

That link you show does still show pics of the steering stops STILL on the spindles. He welded in "adjustable steering angle stays" the stops come in contact with. He modified the a-arm stays, not the spindle stops.
Here is a pic showing mine still exist.
http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...52_57_full.jpg

 

Ah, so the stop would be the long bit under the lower dust shield hole? Haven't taken my tires off to get a first-hand experience with the spindles yet, so I'm still learning via pictures. Hmm. That does appear to be a bit of a problem. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to fab, but wouldn't be as strong as a solid piece. I'm gonna send Racecraft an email and see what they think.

 

Any info on the steering stop issues?

 

Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and easier to just drill the plate to take a stock 4th gen front hub?

Then maybe common 4th gen front brakes could be a bolt-on with all stock parts? That would make your spindles a really good value.

Then you could drill multiple sets of mounting holes in the plate for the hub and caliper bracket so they could be adjustable drop. That would allow adjustments of ride height and roll center without affecting alignment or steering geometry.

Have you sent a PM to ebmiller88?

The stock front brakes are pretty awful-anybody that wants drop spindles probably wants better front brakes too.

 

We will add the steering stops no problem. On the 4th gen spindle we will probably only make the spindle to fit 3rd gen brake set ups. Should have finished parts in about a 1.5 weeks.

Thanks, Mark

 

Excellent. Keep us updated, I check your website looking for some finished pictures every now and then, still don't see any.

 

I apologize for not getting back quicker, but we are thrashing to get ready for the PRI show in Orlando. This show has messed with our production schedule a bit. I should have completed parts by next week late or early the following week.

Thanks, Mark Wilkinson

 

Thanks!

 

Nice to see such a reputable shop getting interested in our Gm cars.
Now that were are becoming classics and getting out of that 'too old for new aftermarkt, yet not old enough for classic car aftermarket' stage, maybe some more good things will come for these very popular cars.


Thanks again Racecraft, From Dean (PS I am the guy that stated this post and have had my name changed many times for stupid reasons around here)

 

Bump to keep interest! Still only proto's up on the website. If you ever get a set that's not destined somewhere, take some more pictures!

 

any new info?

 

We will have finished parts to ship this week. I will post pictures as soon as I have them and we will get a spindle out to Ed.

Thanks, Mark
http://www.racecraft.com

 

Thank you! Thats great to hear.