I am not entirely sure of the differences between a bar and cage as far as NHRA/IHRA is concerned...

I am going to be looking a drag legal cage/bar that will still give me use of my back seats. I will have Spohn sfcs as well for added strength. Can anyone recommend something to me? Got any pics?

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=262101

 

So is there any kit that will allow back seat passengers still in the car?

 

nothing NHRA legal will allow use of the back seats.

 

NOT ENTIRELY TRUE... Im NHRA certified to 7.50 ET and I have back seats still.... BUT I would not advise anyone sitting in them with lap belts a chromoly bar to the face in a wreck would be a bad news.. ....I retained the back seat for show purposes>>>

I dont have pics yet of the finshed look with seats reinstalled but I can link you to the fab pics...

FWIW the rear seat creates a big problem...Because your kicker bars can not mount to the subframe cause its under the seat>>> so My cage builder built custom SFC's and then ran my kicker bars through the floor and welded them directly to the SFC's to allow it to pass cert..

http://www.efpwperformance.com/files.../SeanCage.html

You can click the links at the top of the page to see the sfc's or chute system etc.. Just bear in mind car is dirty and Unfinished when these were taken...this was just initial fab work..

 

not a very good idea to try and have rear passengers with a cage.

 

I dont even know how anyone could get back there to begin with...I had a hard enough time getting in there to reinstall the interior when the front seats were removed>>BUT IMHO the thirdgen without the back seat looks stupid as hell UNLESS TUBBED and tinned Especially if you dont get carpet that covers all the mounts where the seats were and then you still have breaks in the carpet etc...

I wanted my back seats for show..It looks 900000% better with them than without and contrary to popular belief they are NOT that heavy..even if they were heavy, some weight there is not necessarily a bad thing especially for traction.. But id venture to say topps mine MIGHT weigh 13 pounds for the back seat asemblies total>>>hell the bottoms are just foam and material, the topps are slightly heavier because of the brackets but seriously you are not going to gain much if anything ET wise by removing them..

But I would NEVER ever EVER EVER put anyone in the seat to ride in the car... a car accident or even hard breaking would severely injure or KILL whoever is back there.... As said above...an immovable chromoly bar to the face would do some serious damage..

 

So would it be possible to get a "removable" bar back there? I've seen some that actually have pins that hold the bar in place that goes next to the drive. Is the same thing possible with that back bar? Basically I want a cage for stiffness moreso than track purposes. HOWEVER I still would like the use of the backseat if it ever becomes necassary to put someone back there.

Any ideas?

 

Here is my Auto Power Street Roll Bar, basically for looks.....

 

if you think you'll ever want to use the back seats do not do it....just look to do something else, your wasting your time.

 

I retained back seats also.. and someone asked how much room if My kids wanted to ride back there. After he seen this picture he was like Ummmmm no way....



16inches from the seat to the bar. Now picture a body there or a car seat as some people have though about.. Its crazy to even THINK about it.

 

Removable back bar is NOT LEGAL...NHRA anyway .... Really anyone wanting to build an NHRA certified f-body chassis that wants to haul people around in it need to examine their priorities.. Myself for instance would never put any kid in the back NOR would I put any kid in the front of a 8 sec drag car...

 

im not a real "race car" driver. i just like to hit up test and tune nights and maybe 4 events all year. there is also a roadcourse being built at my local track that looks fun. i would like to do a 6 maybe 8 point cage for stability. the engine setup i want to do i cant see dipping under 10's. i really only need to fit a childseat in the back. it wouldnt be a daily thing. my wife does real estate so usually we take her blazer around. but days she is working and i need to go somewhere she wont slide herself over a sidebar (unless i could put a swing out there for her) i dont know the rules governing rollcages.

 

Here's my delima. I want the cage primarilty for chassis stiffening. I don't do a whole lot of drag strip racing. My hopes for the car are low 12's or so, but I'm not really sure. Basically I want to have something that will add a little stiffness, something that the drag strips won't have a problem with... and something that will still allow me to have a passenger if ever needed. As far as structurally, would a removal bar be all that bad? I'm still stiffening the car moreso with the rest of the cage that without, right? Thats my MAIN goal. My car will continue to be a street car, just a pretty fast one. Drag strip racing is just a small portion of what I want this car. In fact, being that the nearest strip is a few hours away, its doubtful that I'll go there more than once a year. See my point?

ANY ideas on something that would provide me a cage for stiffness and allow me to drag race, but not totally make the back seat unusable?

 

To be honest Id do a 6 point without the cross bar on the main hoop...Then you will be Fine>>> DO NOT try to get it certified..just leave it... I doubt you will be running fast enough to need anything more>>>WHEN i HAD MY 6 POINT I never had a chassis inspector look at it.... IN fact if you look at the link Above they show my old 6 pint cage>>>my 2 rear bars were illegal because they were tied into the sheet metal above the gas tank versus the unit body rail...

BUT All the times I went to the track they never looked at it during tech... The physically saw I had a cage but never bothered to look for legality..

Typically they dont do much searching untill you get into a full Cage OR ar entering an actual race.. If you look at my 6 point have one made like that BUT dont have them put the horizntal bar in the hoop thats behind my seat area...then you should have no problems..

 

Anyone have any pics of the above described setup?

 

so basically if we went into full competition it would be a big deal. or popping better than 10's? i just do the gm efi shooutout and import vs domestic days at the track. i never been checked before just asked if i hit n2o. that would work perfect for me then. maybe crossbrace the rear tubes for a little extra support.

 

I have a similar setup,but wasn't going to put in the back seats.I see your point and may reconsider.A back passenger area with nothing in it may look a bit gay.It might be time to think of something else to put there but what???
BTW,I'm using harnesses in the front,harnesses in the back would eliminate the passenger getting a mouthful of rollcage,maybe something to think about.

 

do something like this and it isn't a problem....the new car will look much cleaner.

 

my nitrous bottles were on angles right underneath the subs so i could turn them on from the front seat. worked very well.

 

who sells a 4 point roll bar or roll cage that can be mounted on and removed whenever needed

 

if your going for looks jegs has one, i think comp engeneering does too. but it wont do much for stiffening the body

 

anyone have pics or ideas about custom cage im thinkin bout tuckin cage as close to sides and roof as possible and maybe run the hoop tie close to floor and rear bars close to sides and bent to normal mount location after rear seats with another tie behind seats and real low door bars i dont need it legal but want stiffening and use of back seat without bar in face and ease of entering seat any ideas greatly appreciated also if anyone knows of a cage place on long island ny would be nice or anyone to help me here i have welder and such but no means of bending tubes

 

as you can see i didn't want it noticeable from pretty much any angle. unless your in the car or i open the hatch many don't know there is a cage in the car. works great..

 

my door bar....don't even notice it getting in. so nice...

 

Kandied,
Was that custom or a kit?

Thanks,

-Schultzy

 

his was custom chromly...... and its not NHRA (or anywhere) legal.


but i bet it did stiffen the car up some.

 

that's funny because i've ran at 4 tracks here in michigan, canada and ohio....... for fun and it's served it's purpose. take your nhra legal crap and forget about it. wasn't built to race professional, it was built to support which it does. the door bars are the only thing that aren't legal and it's only because they are bent.

big deal, serves the purpose and i can drive the car daily without any hassles. to me that's worth it.....

 

and ive ran at tracks in a convertible with no bar... whats your point? your car isnt fast enough to need a approved bar, and alot of tracks out there (esp 1/8th mile) dont even have tech.

it doesnt make yours "ok" for when you do need one. frankly if you're putting in a bar and need it, it should be a approved one. otherwise, you'll get tossed just as easy as no bar..... assuming you actually have a fast car.

 

btw, i dont race pro. cant afford it.
niether can most of my friends.
we still get kicked out for no bars at the big 1/4 mile tracks.

 

lol...