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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 07:59 PM
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Why solid bars are better than hollow ones

So I came outside this morning to my car not starting, hood struts shot when they were good yesturday, and this:


Their is a 3pt edelbrock stb, and a wonderbar on there and I managed to snap the thing?

The only undue stress I can think of is yesturday I took a corner too fast in the rain, and hit some sand. I went into a spin but got it under controll fairly quickly.

Has this happend to any of you guys or is it just a freak thing? I'm debating weather to throw on the spare 36mm hollow I have or the 34mm solid.



Edit: Looking at the pic now it looks like it's rusted out inside the bar, maybie that's what did it in although the metal on the break is clean.
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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I've been road course racing with hollow GM bars for years now, sticky track slicks and bumpy tracks like Lime Rock and Pocono...never snapped a swaybar.

There was definitely a contributing factor in your breakage, maybe the internal rust as you pointed out or something else going on.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 01:05 AM
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Not good that makes me want to buy some spohn bars lol.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 07:46 AM
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I the upper left hand corner of the bar, it looks like it might have been cracked. Not surprising considering that is where the bushings wear. Take a good look at the break, i bet there is a deep scratch on the outside near the break. I wouldn't hesitate to put the hollow 36 on there, but i would (as i am planning to do) polish it up, remove all paint, inspect for cracks and repaint it.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out the connection between the broken sway bar and engine not starting and hood struts bad. Why a broken sway bar would cause those other problems is beyond me. lol

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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out the connection between the broken sway bar and engine not starting and hood struts bad. Why a broken sway bar would cause those other problems is beyond me. lol

Lon
Well I was running fuel through the swaybar to expand the capacity if the tank, so that would explain the not starting. I'm still lost on the hood struts though.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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you can run fuel thru the swaybar??????????
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by PyRo9862
Well I was running fuel through the swaybar to expand the capacity if the tank, so that would explain the not starting. I'm still lost on the hood struts though.
Are you for real?!?
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 12:01 PM
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Are you for real?!?
What do you think?
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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Actually PyRo9862 has a hidden nitrous system and stores the funny juice in the sway bar. He's only saying the fuel runs through it to throw us off.

I'd check the bushing to bar interference. It may be that the bushing was binding preventing the bar from twisting. That would defintely shear it (and allow the N2O to escape negating the effectiveness of the nitrous system ).

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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by lonsal
I'm still trying to figure out the connection between the broken sway bar and engine not starting and hood struts bad. Why a broken sway bar would cause those other problems is beyond me. lol

Lon
The only thing that comes to my mind is maybe an angry neighbor. You didn't borrow any tools you forgot to return, did you?
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 01:52 AM
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Im thinkin vandalized
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Old Jun 7, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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broken 36mm sway bar

just the other day i broke my 36 mm sway bar in the same location and probably from the same reason, rust. i came across this just from the corner of my eye one morning and i was amazed to see it broken, well i got another ready to bolt on asap. I'll post a pic asap.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 04:56 PM
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36mm broken sway bar

here it is.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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glad i live in california! my bars have no rust, the car too.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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Glad my car will be in the garage and never see rain again I hate rust altho it is kinda fun to fix sometimes.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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Looks like that's been broken awhile, maybe that hard steering just popped it out of the mount.

OR...you built up too much under hood heat and it radiated into the sway bar causing the NOS to overheat and force it's way out Next time install a sway bar internal pressure gauge and keep the pressure at about 1000psi.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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what he said ^^^ lol
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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Wow, that looks awful.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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Alot of times the tire rubs on the bigger sway bar under severe turning(u-turn,Lk to Lk).Perhaps when you spun out in the rain.The tire may have been rubbing while rotating & exerting a little too much force on the swaybar.Thereby shearing it off at the mounting bracket?Extreme example,but plauseable?perhaps!Maybe?
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 06:10 AM
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I've never heard of them rubbing. Interesting theory but it was a left turn and the left side broke so if either side was rubbing it would have been the right.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 07:49 AM
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How do you know if your swaybar is solid or hollow? My front swaybar is the ginormous one (36mm, I think. Been a long time since I measured it, and I don't have a metric caliper)
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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Running fuel threw the sway bar must be kidding.
but it is as funny as the person
who said he used a hole saw to cut holes in his
unibody frame to lighten the car and I think
he really did turn his unibody into swiss cheese.



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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by HorseflyDF
Running fuel threw the sway bar must be kidding.
Of course he's kidding. You can't run fuel through your blinker fluid reservoir like that. C'mon, everybody knows that.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by PyRo9862
I've never heard of them rubbing. Interesting theory but it was a left turn and the left side broke so if either side was rubbing it would have been the right.
If it was a left hand turn & you spun out.That means the rear of the car swung to the right.Making the front tires point as if you were turning right.This could make the tire rub on the bar(they do rub).Assuming you didnt let go of the wheel of course.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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How do you know if your swaybar is solid or hollow? My front swaybar is the ginormous one (36mm, I think. Been a long time since I measured it, and I don't have a metric caliper)
All 36mm bars from the factory are hollow. Look near the ends of the bar, you will notice drain holes.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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Drain holes? Thought those were pressure relief valves from the factory...

You know GM thought of everything.....
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by semiller26
glad i live in california! my bars have no rust, the car too.

Dude I was thinking the same thing. Damn I thought my car was dirty and ****. Until I saw some of these midwestern rides. **** you guys have ti bad.

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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by 91formulaSS
All 36mm bars from the factory are hollow. Look near the ends of the bar, you will notice drain holes.
Thats not right, some WS6's had solid and some had hollow bars.
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by ME Leigh
Thats not right, some WS6's had solid and some had hollow bars.
really, a solid 36mm sway bar, huh. learn something new everyday i guess.
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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All 36mm GM sway bars were hollow. The 34mm was available as solid or hollow from GM.
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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All 36mm GM sway bars were hollow. The 34mm was available as solid or hollow from GM.
that's what I thought. Now the question is, did any WS6 cars come with 34mm bars?
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by 91formulaSS
did any WS6 cars come with 34mm bars?
Not that I know of, no.
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by 91Z28-350
All 36mm GM sway bars were hollow. The 34mm was available as solid or hollow from GM.
I've seen solid and hollow 36mm bars.
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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Interesting, the only solid 36mm I've seen are aftermarket. I've never spotted a solid 36mm at the junkyard. I just did a search, and nobody on TGO has heard of solid 36mm OEM pieces neither. Do you have a PN for the solid 36mm?
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 03:12 PM
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reviving from the dead...

I just got a 36mm SOLID from an 85 WS6 t-top car. No part # on it. Looks like its been there its whole life.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:06 PM
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they are out their, but i have never seen one.

how much more does it weigh compared to the hollow bar?
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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ill weigh it tomorrow, its heavy
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