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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

Anyone else have this issue? I did these last summer, yet my car still squeaks and creaks about as much as it did before...yet many on here seem to feel they cure a ton of squeaks in these cars. With 112k miles on my chassis, with zero accident damage, I am quite surprised by this. Will welding them in versus bolting them on make any difference? Should I add the Spohns outboard, leaving the TDS's inboard? I read someone mention that idea...

I feel like an idiot, as I seem to be one of the few to be completely underwhelmed by SFCs. I added bolt on SLP SFCs to my Z28 years ago, and felt the difference immediately on a low mileage car. With this one, I really struggle to tell any difference at all. I'd love to think welding them in would be a cure all, but I doubt it...they've been in for less than 2k miles. I have enough squaks that even my fiance complains she feels safer in my Z28 because it doesn't feel like its going to rattle apart!

Any help/advice is appreciated...
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

Lexans t-tops make a lot of interior squeak noise. Switching to glass quiets down interior noise.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

I like the spohns. Welding them is a MUST in my opinion. I paid a shop to weld them in and they welded the front but only bolted the rear to the LCA(go figure). While i had my exhaust done i had the shop(different place) put some weld on the LCA part and i noticed a difference in just that. My car doesnt creak over bumps like it used to.

T-top cars are just a lot louder then hardtops in my experiance(though not my gf's 2000 T/A its pretty quite).

Is the weatherstripping in good shape on the t-tops? Try some silicone on them it seems to quite the old weatherstripping quite a bit.

Id definently try and have the sfcs welded though.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

My T - Top '86 squeaks a lot more than my 92. In fact my 92 is quite. But the other day I took the door panels off my 92 and tightened every bolt. Amazing how many were loose bolts there were. In fact I have been tightening screws and bolts all over my car. A lot can get loose in 15 years. The door is the big one with all of the opening and closing over the years.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 05:53 AM
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Axle/Gears: 3.23 / 3.42 Auburn / 3.23 / 2.62
Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

Well I do have Lexan tops, but they are brand new NOS ones I bought off eBay...I did notice when I use my old set instead of the new set, rattles do decrease, naturally. I guess I can try getting some glass ones one of these days...I just spent $200 on these...

The interior will be coming out next spring when I get my underbody repainted (just spent $2,800 making the exterior show quality) and the TDS's welded, and I have the carpet and headliner replaced. While its out, I'm planning to put down some Dynamat myself...I imagine the combo of Dynamat with retightening interior pieces should help? Should I add the Spohns with my TDS's already on there? I just want to quiet this thing down...I know these cars were bad...I've owned 3. But my car with 112k and the '91-'92 chassis improvements rattles more than my old '89 with 96k with no reinforcement...FWIW, as I said, the t-tops seem to be the least of the issue, being brand new...
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 10:38 AM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

You really must weld them to do it right.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:25 PM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

have you upgraded or replaced any of the suspension components? i just replaced all the bushing up front with poly and that made a huge didfference in ride and noises. in the rear i have tubularcontrol arms and panhard bar stock torque arm with original 1986 bushings and my suspension is much quieter than when i bought the car. even without the sfc's.
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Old Jul 13, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

For the TDS SFC's bolt them in, then weld them. Adding Spohns also helps stiffen things up.

If you don't have a WonderBar/Steering Brace then fitting one will help a lot in reducing front end slop.

Most rattles and squeeks are from interior trim pieces.
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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Re: Rattles and squaks everywhere despite TDS SFCs...

Years ago I had those same style subframes bolted on then after my t-56 install I took them off and surprisingly I could feel a lot more body twist without them after having them on for 3 years. So they are helping but maybe wielding them on might make a little more of a difference, or go with ones that wield along the sides like spohns or something.
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