been looking for a new torque arm. but all the ones i have found are tranny mount. i've been told to go to a body mount arm. any suggestions?

 

check out UMI performance, Spohn Performance, or BMR fabrication. They all sell crossmember mounted torque arms, BMR's mounts to a different crossmember that you weld in to a set of subframe connectors. Also Jegster has a tunnel mounted arm, its shorter and it mounts to the underside of the driveshaft tunnel.

 

will it being mounted to the cross member give any clearance issuses? the car is gonna be lowered about 2 in the front and 1.5 in the rear.

 

Hello
I noticed that you are looking into a new torque arm. And I just wanted to suggest to you that UMI Performance has a wide variety of torque arm combo's we offer a torque arm relocation cross member to allow you to use the factory arm or a aftermarket and tunnel mounted torque arms as well. Below is a link to show you what I am explaining.

http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...vjp0u19bsvive4

http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...vjp0u19bsvive4

If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I will be more than glad to help!
Thanks
Brad

 

UMI,

If I may, why do you call your torque arms tunnel mounted when they are mounted to the cross-member? The jegster torque arm is what I would consider tunnel mounted.

Feel free to if you want, just curious.

 

thanks for your help. summit didn't have those models listed. all they had was the tranny mount. then again i could be dumb and clicked on something i shouldn't have, stupid IO errors. thanks again.

 

Did you ever check out Jegs, they make a nice set-up, Jegster Torque Arm. Thats what I am running and I've hit a 1.53 60ft with it. The hardest part of the install is the tunnel brace.

If you want some pics I can post them later, I need to up load them.

 

Your Welcome! Glad that I could help.
Take it easy
Brad

 

i have all spohn. never had any ground clearance issues.

 

We have several cars with full length torque arms running low10 high 9 second 1/4 times. the key is using the relocation bracket to get the arm off of the trans. If you decide to go with the shorter arm it has a 1 5/8" crossbrace that welds in between the frame connectors. The shorter arms will hit the tires harder and are capable of achieving better 60' times. We have several different versions of each style of arm. Here is a link to our site. If you have any questions please give me a call.

http://www.bmrfabrication.com/

 

thanks to all for all of your help its been a real help. i'm running the car stock at the track on the 16th for a base line. will post times and reactions as parts go on.

 

Hello,

You could also consider a full length torque arm with torque arm relocation kit. This set-up works very well but cost a little more then what we consider the tunnel mounted torque arms.

Here is a list of our torque arm relocation kits-

www.umiperformance.com/2228
www.umiperformance.com/2230
www.umiperformance.com/2232

Or here is a list of our tunnel mounted arms- The first six on the list.

http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...dex&cPath=6_93


Thank you!
Ryan

 

Newsflash for your product labeling- Those are called "trans mounted tq-arms". You would think someone selling products would have an idea what they are and what they do. Do you have any idea what a tunnel mount is? Or how it adversely affects the rear suspension? or the chassis under thrust and then braking?

My pet peeve is a fabricator that gets into making suspension parts and peddling them when they know nothing about suspension geometry and the reprocussions of product change. Heck, you do not even know what the terms are called, how can you be recommending parts on here if you do not even know terms I can bet big money you do not know how to adjust your own suspension parts you sell for optimum performance.

Might suggest you research and study a bit more before you embarass yourself again publicly. Thats not good for business, especially when you come in here daily pimping your products like you do. I would love to here one of those private phone calls because I always see you tell people to call you for advice- yet you never give it publicly here in type.

I see a lawsuit coming on this guy.

Dean

 

Dean, you harass us constantly... what is your deal? I have never dealt with you and never plan on it therefor you have no need to constantly cause problems with you ignorant, know it all attitude.

That is my peace, I will not reply or acknowledge anymore of your post or replies. Please move on as well

 

Wow, what the hell are you talking about.....LAWSUIT for what...before you sound like a idiot on here you should know what your talking about.....I have the UMI parts on my car....no problems here.....and yes the geometry is correct...why would it not be???? That make absolutely NO sense what so ever.....All the part does is side step the bracket off the tail of the tranny onto the crossmember....hmmmm well if you were building any power you would know in stock form the stock trans. mount design rips out, not to mention the tail shafts that BUST OFF!!! Go run some horse on slicks with your stock set-up, call me when your tailshaft rips out....I've got some spares. UMI parts has improved the handling of my camaro twice fold....and if you were to pay any attention to anything.....most everything is ADJUSTABLE, meaning you set the damn angles yourself....know how to use a pinion angle finder....pretty easy..set it up there, read it, adjust the bolt in the torque arm, and your set.....
Also as far as term go....there sometime are multiple names for multiple parts...let me give you an example....drive shaft, also drive line, also propeller shaft.....They are probably called tunnel mounted because...it's mounts to the cross member that mounts to the area called the "TRANNY TUNNEL"....what the hell does it matter what it is called....how much money are you going to sue for???

UMI keep up the good work, sorry for idiots like this....

 

vetruck, also you profile says your a "self-taught" suspension expert or whatever....then you would know about why these parts are sold and how to use them....it doesn't sound like you know anything about geometry and suspension angles to me (i'm an engineer, so I know a little something).....if you did maybe you would be a full time crew chief for NASCAR and not moonlighting, if you actually do that. you state also you do 'through trial and error', that may have worked on you race truck, but suspension geometry is mathmatical..you don't just turn it one direction and 'try it'......is that how you would set timing too.....turn the distributor and 'see how it runs'...... I HATE when people come on hear and bash other people for NO reason at all....that was way out of place, very rude and dis-respectful...

 

i have umi's wonderbar and it fit perfectly underneath my car and felt the difference.. one of the fastest bolt ons ive done... they do make great stuff...... just backing you up umi performance....

 

Thanks for backing us up everyone, we appreciate it.

I said I wouldn't bother reply to Dean anymore... but since he finds it necessary to edit his post and run his mouth some more I feel the need to back myself and the company up.

First off, a lawsuit for WHAT? Secondly if anyone has embarrassed themselves it is you. Third, now we are not aloud to tell customers to call us?? Give me a break, call, e-mail, post... we will do whatever the customer prefers. Maybe Dean should try posting some useful information instead of continuously bashing sponsors that support this site.

 

I would be curious to know this too


Thank you for the support

 

A Ryan does this mean I get a paid day off when we go to court........? For suggesting (Pimping) our parts......... I did not know that was illegal
Take it easy!
Brad

 

Brad, I hope you get a paid day off....or even time and a half.....does that mean my umi parts on my car are prostitutes?? It's illegal as well to have hookers on or in you car.....LOL

 

You quoted me but never answered my questions.

I will answer your though-
Lawsuit when you first try and get innovative without knowledge of geomerty skills of professional credentials in vehicle parts sold to cars on public roads with DOT standards. Granted I will say I have never questioned your fabricating skills- They appear "Very good"You look like you work with metal great. Its you knowledge of the parts you are making is what i question. You appear to be great at fabricating copycat parts whne you see others have successfully had parts on the market. Partner, I just laugh when I see you come into here calling a trans mount TQarm and tunnel mount- thats just halarious. Me harassing you? you did it to yourself when you labeled these "tunnel mounts" on your own website. Not my fault you are ignorant. Please explain to me how you think I am ignorant?

As for this other guy?
... oh you hurt my feelings, and your point is? I was self taught at 12, I have had alot of formal education since then. CAD and Mechanical engineerng as well as substatial arithimetics as well as Alogorythems. I raced professionally, I have crewed as well as crewchiefed professionally. I have many years of feild testing of personal design. I have run CNC milling machines and have had friend Thomas Cunningham educate and critic me in all designs with his 11 yeqars of college degree in enigineering feilds and part analysis. Tom picked me to head his race team 2 year back simply becasue he knew my streetsmart and talent.The cunningham family you might know as Cunningham Connecting Rods, or maybe the historic feat of being known as the first family to have ever built a dragster (in the world)back in the fifties and ran it down a airport runway event in So Calif. We are talking a family of innovtions I have been surrounded by and that is one of MANY MANY exapmles of my resume. I have designed parts for the great **** Guldstrand that he still sells today, I have r&D's the very first dual friction clutch setup for Mike Hayes at Centerforce...Should I continue? Ask and I will....
Get my point mouth? I have the credentials to spout off, You don't little boy.

To anyone else that still cares at this point?
I have sucessfully sued a parts manufacturer for a broke Aarm that about killed me- Thank you very much, I do know what I am talking about. Just be cautious getting innovative, I was just warning you to please study first since your naitivity is showing a little bit- one major f876kup can put you under- one case in point around here alone is PA racing.

Dean

So now that I have gone back and tried to somewhat edit my spelling errors 'cause I can't type for sh*t, Bret? How about you now go back and answer my questions?

 

You don't look at parts very well, or read well....the part you keep saying is a trans mount torque arm is not....the part that UMI is calling a tunnel mount is because it is not mounted to tranny, it's mounted to the cross member, in the trans tunnel.
Also have you ever compared parts from other manufactorers to his, much better design and quality from his. And for what purpose are you in here badgering someone...I still dont' understand why....you don't like his parts....that 100% fine....but your not qualified either to judge his parts as you do not possess the professional credentials as you put it. Being an engineer myself, I believe that his parts mate up very well with the f-body platform providing a variety of adjustable settings for different driving styles. If you dont' like his stuff, then a little comment is fine, just to come on here and be a FU@# , be completly disrespectful, and threatning that someone or you would or should sue.......nobody minds if you have an opinion about something, good or bad, but do it with some class....

 

You continue to show your ignornace...Why?
I will state the facts. (I always state facts here)

1) I never said I didlike his products, I said that UMI repeatedly has posted on here simply pimping there product oon a tech forum. There is one post in particular where they were so blatant in trying to compete with BMR also doing so that they never even adressed the guys question that originally posted...OK Fact #1, Not heresay. I can retrieve it and several others if you would like?

2) You question my credentials, I answered you with a minor few to the point of topic. As for what you continued to try and deface me with in my NASCAR credentials? I am a 4th division (Highest division that does NOT travel- I can not Division 3 does not pay well enough and 2 and ! are much to hard to break into the little boys click of NASCAR being a west coast redheaded stepchild of NASCAR (Politics son, Politics). my ranking? If its so easy, lets see you do this- I happen to be a a 2 time winner and 5 time 3rd place finsher as a crewcheif in 17 races with 8 fastest lap times also in those 17 races. That is a documented FACT. I am in the history books. I also led my driver to a 3rd place Championship of 41 cars my Rookie year. Lastly, I have my own business I have run for 24 years, I can not travel every weekend in division 3 unless the pay gets close to what I make in my personal business Sponsorships are not that high in assets to afford such.- hence I "moonlight" (Learn the term you ignorant person you....There i go again cracking myself up)

3)I will now call you an idiot "back to you"since you have now staed 2 times that is a tunnel mounted TQarm. You are ignorant- tthat is not a name, it is a fact- look up the term "ignorant"......you idiot (Ok that was funny)
Here is a few links to tunnel mount TqArms.
http://www.jegs.com/p/Jegster/Jegste...44013/10002/-1
http://www.globalwest.net/1982-02_Ca...-Traclinks.htm

4) And MOST IMPORTANT- Please answer my questions petaining to Tqarm setup and tendencies 91interceptorZ.- Its the subject of the thread when talking about lengths and mount choices. Don't know how to respond to this? Then STFU.

5)I just don't like your disrespectful ****. Typical of youth. Read where I said he needs to learn the terms of suspensions, I never questioned his fabricating skills, I questioned his lack of knowledge of his parts and his risk of innovation as a result could turn deadly not knowing forces applied in chassis dynamics.

Dean
ps- Justwaiting patiently to see what BS you spout out next. Answer the questions - I DID.

 

Well, why do you call your x-member mounted torque arms tunnel mounted torque arms? Here's a link to Spohns site: http://www.spohn.net/shop/1982-1992-...d-Torque-Arms/
They call their torque arms that mount to the x-member, x-member mounted torque arms.

91interceptorZ's answer seems a little rediculous. Why not call it an f-body mounted torque arm?

 

We can call them crossmember if you prefer, I feel there is really no correct name for that design. But if you know what you are looking for you know where the product mounts and what it does. If you do not you may contact us and we will be glad to explain it. I do not feel it is false advertisement either.. I am really confused on why we are arguing over a product name? Its ridculous.

As for my knowledge. I will admit I don't know it all and I never said I did. I am not sure what Dean thinks but UMI is not a one man show, we have 24 employees here and each employee has the respectable position. Our facility is filled with machinist, tool and die makers, fabricators, welders, auto mechanics, sales reps, office personal, powder coaters, labors and design engineers. It is not just one guy building the parts and selling them. On top of the employees we have (6) CNC machining centers and various other metal working equipment. Products go under extensive research, development and testing before released.

As for a lawsuit, that is so great you were able to sue someone and get there money. I have seen you post that on at least 3 occasions... its great to see you are proud of that but not something I would be proud of. I am sorry to hear you were injured and the accident could have been fatal, that is awful and not something anyone wants to go through. However bragging on multiple occasions about suing a business for funds just isn't right to me.

 

Here is one that is crossmember mounted. Scroll down the page a bit to find the torque arm.

http://www.lackomotorsports.com/camaro_1982-1992

 

I agree brad, it seems the main basis of the problem he has is with the 'name' of the product....who really cares. I also agree with you on the law suit....winning a judgement for injury caused to you by a faulty part is okay....braggin' about it, and threatning to do it again because something is named not in accordance with someone else's idea of what it should be called...stupid.

Vetruck....you call me ignorant, but show you own here.....occusing me of my lack of experience. My car has won multiple races, and one championship with the 'crappy' UMI parts as you say on there. I guess my engineering degree has nothing to do with anything. I have no doubt you're probably a good crew chief! But your profile says you main job is tile & stone....not engineering, not anything related to cars....I don't doubt you abilities......but if you were this big shot of innovations, why are you not full time designing stuff??
I don't know or don't care really what you can and can't do.....people can type whatever they want on here......I could say I have a 1000hp lawn mower.....but who is to say I do or don't......
We should be helping the original poster frumpyman with his car questions, and not bashing each other and continuing this pointless conversation....this accomplishes nothing and is probably against board rules, since it's not really related to original post. If you want to post complaints about UMI, the go to the aftermarket review board and post there.....otherwise try to help the other guy out with his car by suggesting stuff, it's his choice whom he chooses to do business with....not yours or mine....recommend and suggest is what were supposed to be doing.....good luck to you.
Also, gregz28....that was a good response with disagreement in it. It is not really bashing anyone....but it states a couple items, with links, and makes a point to show what he thinks. Respectful response....thank you. And to answer your I was just trying to make a point....I do understand where everyone is coming from....

 

It is a cross member mount, period. And this is rediculous I agree to have all this attack on something you now agree with me on.
As for the 24 employees? Maybe you might want to see if one of them is more qualified to give tech advice so as not to have something like this happen and to ACTUALLY GIVE tech advice on this TECH FORUM". I hope you can respectfully see my point. Brad, fact is, I have been wrong several times on here myself over the years- I readily admit my error, I thank the person for pointing out bad info on my part and admit when I am wrong and appologise if my bad tech was harmful to anyone.

To this partner all I can say is **** you. When did I ever "Brag" about sueing someone. You owe me a ****ing appology on this one. personal attacks becasue I lost out in life and still did not recover enough from what ever happened to me..and you calkl that bragging becasue I warn others about my unfortunate incident? You think I am living in a house high on the hill from profiting from sueing someone? Not a chance, everyone lost including innocent me.

 

damn cant we all just get along...... who cares..... its still a good product regardless what its called and knowing everything about it..... i may be out of place but im 21 and some of you are more than twice my age... yall look like little kids tryna prove this and that, fighting on a internet forum.... damn get over it..... i think this should be locked because it has gotten way off topic and is turning into a bash fest..... UMI you make excellent products regardless what anyone says....

 

to ANSWER the questions I asked and they could not answer (telss what a real frikin genious our interceptor chanmpionship winning in his dreams is).

A tunnel mounted tqarm is designed and a shorter link system to change chassis dynamics under both acceleration and braking. A Xmember mount is a standard link TqArm that simply has its front link attachment moved to a different position, but not necessarily height or length. That is why the definitions of tunnel mount, trans mount, and xmember mount are so important in labeling.

Someone wants advice and is having a problem wirh setup- they tell me they have a tunnel mount TQarm and they actually have a standard length Xmember mount- AND I or someone else tell them to buy a higher spring rate in the rear making their car notoriously loose and wasting their money as well as causing a dangerous oversteering car in a panic situation. It boils down to spring rate and bar combo combined with custom shock valving to make it all work and not wheel hop dangerously under hard braking. See the point?
Thank you.

Inteceptor91Z, What can I say to an idot like you that should have just keep your mouth shut and stayed out of this thread entirely since you brought nothing of value? How many times do you need to step on your own dich?

Its a tech forum people.

 

oK, I have a novel idea. Why don't we all quit responding and let the manufacturer sponsors of this site be the only ones with an agenda to sell you their product unastructed and you not knowing why or caring other than it looks beautiful under your car for the chicks to look at...sorry dude, ain;t no chicks looking at it, they are looking at your empty wallet and you walking to work

You are right, who cares, Im out.
Moderators, you may ban me, I am done since I do not bow to UMI peddling every post with product sells in a tech forum. Don;t believe me? Check their post history search. ...Hello all, check out our great products. BMR is half guilty of this also, but at least they answer questions and give good tech imput to their products in the act. Why don;t I attack BMR? I never attacked UMI like they and this clown interceptor lie. I never said I "disliked" their "crappy products" Those were words puit into my moputh by interceptor91Z on this thread

 

Hello Vetruck
I really don't know why you are so upset. All we are trying to do is give advice to people that post suggestions/problems online. That is why we are a sponsor on this site. And yes we do offer our products (BUT) we are not telling them to get it we don't play the preasure game! We have been in the business along time as well as BMR Fabrication. And both manufactures carry a variety of parts for these cars. I just do not understand why you reticule our quality when you never did business with us! If you have any other questions or problems feel free to give me a call at M-F (814) 857-5400 and ask for me Brad and I will be more than glad to help!
Thank Again
Brad

 

wow, this thread turned into a childish pissing match quick.

I really wish people on this site weren't so full of themselves so that they could have a civilized argument with constructive criticism of other people/products without turning into a "I'll beat you up and sue you" yelling match. Seriously people, take a step back, take a deep breath, relax.

This is what makes me lose interest in this site, I just dont understand why people have to come one here and beat on other people over simple wording of a parts description.

Dean, if you could explain to me where, in UMI's posted links, there is a flawed product worth a lawsuit? The parts listed are relocation brackets for a stock style torque arm, and a crossmember mounted arm. Both have similar if not exactly the same geometry as the stock setup. So whats the issue? Am i missing something? I may not be a professional suspension tuner, but im not an ignorant tool either.

So they call it a tunnel mount arm, big deal it mounts to the crossmember, most people who are on this site have eyes and can see that in the pictures on UMI's site. If you want to be technical, the trans subframes are part of the lower trans tunnel are they not? so why is it such a big deal that UMI decided to call it a tunnel mounted torque arm? Why are the Jegs/global west pieces not called a floor mounted torque arm? The top of the trans tunnel is also parts of the cars floor pan.

Then several people on this site constantly complain about companies trying to sell parts and advertising in threads. Hello! ever watch TV? I try to watch a show and ever 5 minutes i have to watch 10 minutes of people trying to sell me things, how is this different? Its called paid advertising, i have no problems with people advertising on a site that THEY SUPPORT FINACIALLY.

Without them we wouldn't be able to be here having this argument.

Please people, lets try to be civilized here and keep TGO a friendly environment.

-Phil

 

I agree....I wish to get back to the orginal questions....I appologize too all for keeping the fight going....it's very stupid....

frumpy man....my recommendation is UMI cross member mounted (called tunnel mounted) torque arm and relocation cross-member......I use them my self and like them.

You could also use Vetrucks idea as well (it's not a bad idea, just not my option) where the torque are is re-positioned in the tunnel....like the jegs, or global west one.....

I'm sure all of them are excellent products....it's your choice of course...good luck to all .

 

What i would like to see come out of this is Vetruck to explain, with or without his classis novels, the global west trac-link. I havent known of it until now, and looking at the installed pic it looks really interesting. I know Dean listed it in his dream 3rd gen build in a recent thread and now that i see it im quite interested. Its a neat design, and if its as good as they say it is, i may look into one.

 

Can it really be over now????
I finally ran out of popcorn!!!

 

I would like to know more about the traclink too. I had never heard of it before now.

 

How namy times is people going to come into here asking "lawsuit for what?" I answered this along time ago- you need to read closer and you will see my quotes above.

as for any other questions- I said I am done here. Maybe UMI can answer this when they copycat GW's tqarm design in the future. I KNOW, I KNOW- its all about business conpetition and everyone has a right to make things in a free society...blah blah blah. Its my choice, its my opinion, flush my opinion if you will, you have that right- but so do I.

 

wow, I said you had a good idea, just not what I would do....and a couple people ask you to explain something....and you still can't give a straight answer....
your the one saying to use the global west/jegster stuff, so why don't you help them out???

 

hey bigshot, aren't you the one telling me I have no credentials and should keep my mouth shut?

Now's your chance to show your engineering expertise. you told everybody that I do not know sh*t- Here's your chance to give them the answers they ask for. You shot your mouth off in here- so produce! I'm done becasue of you.

 

For someone who is done...you sure keep going on and on......

 

Dean, I too would like an explanation on the pros/cons from the global west design. Heck I would like to see the pros/cons from each design. In a real world type conversation, we arent all as knowledgeable in suspension systems as others, so a real indepth discussion on them will just make our heads spin. Come on man, just drop it and help other guys out.

I love good discussions and disagreements, but heated arguements hurts everyone. Everybody involved looks like jerks and the guys on the outside never get the information they want.

So how about a good discussion on the different types of torque arm mounts? Pros/cons?

 

Holy crap, i just sat here and wasted all that time reading this s__t. Childish. from my life experience, a friend had the BMR tranny mount and when he broke into 500hp range, he changed for fear of tailshaft breakage, not because it was inferior, just fear of more expense. He went to a tunnel mount, x-member mount, subframe mount, body mount, whatever you want to call it from UMI and is now over 600hp at the wheels and has had absolutly no problem with it. he recommended i use it with my combo, but i am not that far yet. mine should be in the 750 range at the wheels. Good luck what ever you do, and i hope some people grow up on here!!

 

deleted. my bad.

 

this thread did not need to be bumped with a comment like this. The thread is finished, the mudslinging is over, dont start. Not an appropriate way to make your first post.