Suspension and Chassis Questions about your suspension? Need chassis advice?

Tie rod ends too long?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 05:33 PM
  #1  
8550ta's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Tie rod ends too long?

Well I decided to redo my entire front end this year. This includes a racecraft tubular K-member, adjustable tubular A-arms, coil overs, and all new moog steering components.

My problem is that the passenger side tire is still has toe out while the tie rod is buried and cannot get any shorter.

Can I cut the threads on the tie rods to make them shorter? or should I wait and take it to an alignment shop and have them look at it first?
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 05:52 PM
  #2  
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,807
Likes: 108
From: Central NJ
Car: 86 Trans Am
Engine: 408 stroker sbc
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: Moser full floater m9, 3:70 trutrac
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

is there still adjustment on the driverside tie rods? you can take some length from that side to make more on the other.

if not, you can grind the rods down a little. how much are we talking here
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 04:55 PM
  #3  
8550ta's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Im no alignment tech so I am not sure how much too long it is, but I would say that it is a good 1/4" or so maybe a little more.

Wouldnt taking length from the oppisite side make my steering wheel off center?

Could my problem come from the adjustable A-arms being set too short?
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 06:32 PM
  #4  
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,807
Likes: 108
From: Central NJ
Car: 86 Trans Am
Engine: 408 stroker sbc
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: Moser full floater m9, 3:70 trutrac
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Originally Posted by 8550ta
Im no alignment tech so I am not sure how much too long it is, but I would say that it is a good 1/4" or so maybe a little more.

Wouldnt taking length from the oppisite side make my steering wheel off center?

Could my problem come from the adjustable A-arms being set too short?
if you have adjustable a-arms, then yes it could be an issue.
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 10:19 PM
  #5  
customblackbird's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,767
Likes: 63
From: Trumbull CT
Car: 87 TA clone
Engine: 70/70 Turbo 5.3 LS
Transmission: bullet proof 2004R
Axle/Gears: ford 8.8, 3.55 gears
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

im in the same predicament as u.

i had the car setup perfectly then i got in an accident, slid into a curb and destroyed my rear end, rear wheel, rear LCA and front rim. which bent my front brake rotor and crushed my wheel bearings into dust. i went ahead and replaced everything, found a stock spindal. stock Aarm, replaced the rotors and the whole rear etc. i went to put the car down on the ground and the pass wheel was sticking out a bunch. some reason my edlebrock tie rod adjusters were frozen on the pass side so i replaced the tie rod adjusters with UMI pieces (much longer than the edlebrocks and could be the problem)

so i started adjusting the tie rod to bring the wheel in, i got the adjuster MAXed out and the wheel is still sticking out. i need a min of 1/2" on the tie rod but im out of thread. All the tie rods are moog replacments. I cant figure it out... i just got back from the alignment shop and heres my specs.

right front pass side wheel (accident side)
-0.15degrees toe out (red zone=bad)
left front driver side wheel
0.05degrees toe in (green zone=good)
total toe is -0.10degrees, its in the green zone

what the hell! the only thing i can think of is that i bent the center link... but it doesnt look bent, pitman and idler arm look ok. i do have alittle slop in the steering box tho that i didnt have before. they said i would have to turn the wheel and adjust the tie rods to center the wheel, then take off the steering wheel off and recenter it. im like bull$hit! i gotta figure this out. seems like we got the same issue
Reply
Old May 5, 2010 | 08:49 PM
  #6  
UMI Performance's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 652
Likes: 12
From: Philipsburg, Pa
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Originally Posted by customblackbird
some reason my edlebrock tie rod adjusters were frozen on the pass side so i replaced the tie rod adjusters with UMI pieces (much longer than the edlebrocks and could be the problem)
We did shorten our tie rod adjusters up recently to allow more adjustment. If you are still having issues please let me know.

Thank you,
Ryan
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 03:46 PM
  #7  
customblackbird's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,767
Likes: 63
From: Trumbull CT
Car: 87 TA clone
Engine: 70/70 Turbo 5.3 LS
Transmission: bullet proof 2004R
Axle/Gears: ford 8.8, 3.55 gears
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Originally Posted by UMI Performance
We did shorten our tie rod adjusters up recently to allow more adjustment. If you are still having issues please let me know.

Thank you,
Ryan
how recent is recently? i purchased these tierod adjusters about 3-4months ago from summit racing.
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 04:16 PM
  #8  
UMI Performance's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 652
Likes: 12
From: Philipsburg, Pa
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Originally Posted by customblackbird
how recent is recently? i purchased these tierod adjusters about 3-4months ago from summit racing.
Approximately a month ago... do you want to try a new set?
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 06:02 PM
  #9  
krisb410's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 1
From: Naples, FL
Car: 91 RS Camaro, 75 L82 Corvette
Engine: LO3, 383 Stroker
Transmission: 700R4, TH400
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 3.23 posi/LS1 discs, stock
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Originally Posted by UMI Performance
Approximately a month ago... do you want to try a new set?
I bought a set when they were 1st available, And ended up only using 1 of them. I'd like a new set.
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 06:26 PM
  #10  
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,807
Likes: 108
From: Central NJ
Car: 86 Trans Am
Engine: 408 stroker sbc
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: Moser full floater m9, 3:70 trutrac
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

i dont see the issue? i still have a set of UMI's from the first batch made and all i had to do was grid a hair of the nub off the end of the moog tie rod ends. No issues with the body of the adjuster being too long and running out of threads, more of the tie rods themselves being too long
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 07:23 PM
  #11  
customblackbird's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,767
Likes: 63
From: Trumbull CT
Car: 87 TA clone
Engine: 70/70 Turbo 5.3 LS
Transmission: bullet proof 2004R
Axle/Gears: ford 8.8, 3.55 gears
Re: Tie rod ends too long?

Originally Posted by UMI Performance
Approximately a month ago... do you want to try a new set?
if you think it could be the problem then i would give it a try. reason is that the edelbrocks were almost a good 2" shorter.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Ghettobird52
Tech / General Engine
15
Apr 21, 2020 08:44 PM
Street Lethal
Power Adders
634
Apr 30, 2019 12:14 PM
Warlocksirix
Suspension and Chassis
27
Sep 3, 2015 12:26 PM
dyeager535
DIY PROM
7
Aug 28, 2015 08:10 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:24 AM.