Spindels Vs. Springs
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
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I'd say the spindles are better. Drop springs have reduced spring travel due to the shorter height. With drop spindles the springs still have full travel. Drop springs also change the steering geometry by moving the lower a-frame closer to the frame.
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Follow my racing progress on Stephen's racing page
and check out the race car
87 IROC-Z SuperPro ET Bracket Race Car
461 naturally aspirated Big Block
Best ET on a time slip: 11.242 altitude corrected to 10.89
Best MPH on a time slip: 121.52 altitude corrected to 125.89
Altitude corrected rear wheel HP: 497.9
Best 60 foot: 1.546
Racing at 3500 feet elevation but most race days it's over 5000 feet density altitude!
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From: World of Hurt, Va
Car: 88 IROC
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Definitely go with the spindles. You maintain all the factory suspension and steering geometry and travel. I'm not much on the lowered look myself, but if it's your thing, go for it!
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One more thing about drop springs. Not only due they decrease travel, but they are also much stiffer. You will be riding on bricks. They have to make them that way to reduce travel so that the stock suspension doesn't bottom out.
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Stiffer drop springs make it handle the corners better. Spindles will keep the same ride. I sacrificed the nice ride for much improved handling. It's a trade off.
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i am doing dropped spindles soon, and i wish i could find stock size springs that were stiffer. i thought about buying new IROC springs from GM, but have decided against it.
and definately go with spindles man, its a cleaner drop and you dont have to worry about your struts bottoming out also since you will be lessening there travel by two inches.
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and definately go with spindles man, its a cleaner drop and you dont have to worry about your struts bottoming out also since you will be lessening there travel by two inches.
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Jarrad
1990 IROC-Z L98 350 TPI
TH-700R4
G92- 9 Bolt Borg-Warner 3.27gears
Dupont Flame Red Hardtop/ Grey Interior
Working at Carl Cleve & Sons Auto Body Repair as the wetsander/buffer.
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What does it take to change out spindles? Doesn't seem like a hard job...
In short... lowering springs bring you better handling and lowering spindles bring you the looks?
EDIT: Also, what do you all suggest for the rear? Where can you find just the rear springs that will lower the rear so it will be even with the front. All the lowering spring packages that I've seen so far are the four set or the front two...
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[This message has been edited by Humvee (edited August 14, 2001).]
In short... lowering springs bring you better handling and lowering spindles bring you the looks?
EDIT: Also, what do you all suggest for the rear? Where can you find just the rear springs that will lower the rear so it will be even with the front. All the lowering spring packages that I've seen so far are the four set or the front two...
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[This message has been edited by Humvee (edited August 14, 2001).]
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Car: 82 camaro SC
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With the stiffer springs, the front shouldn't bottom out(I haven't for 4 years and the roads around here are terrible).
You probably want a stock spring rate short spring for the rear--no idea where to get some. A rear lowering spring will be stiffer. Combine that with stock front springs and it may handle a little funny. The springs should really be 'matched'.
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350 with stealth intake, holley carb, 470 lift cam. 700r4 with .5 boost valve, vette servo, tci lock-up kit, B&M megashifter. Richmond 3.73 gears, powertrax locker, timkin bearings, synthetic lube. Custom 3 inch single into 2 2.5 pipes. 1 1/2 drop springs, 1 5/16 solid front sway bar, 1 inch rear bar, custom subframe connectors, custom LCA relocation brackets. Kobel ground FX, current red metallic paint. Lots of other stuff...
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You probably want a stock spring rate short spring for the rear--no idea where to get some. A rear lowering spring will be stiffer. Combine that with stock front springs and it may handle a little funny. The springs should really be 'matched'.
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350 with stealth intake, holley carb, 470 lift cam. 700r4 with .5 boost valve, vette servo, tci lock-up kit, B&M megashifter. Richmond 3.73 gears, powertrax locker, timkin bearings, synthetic lube. Custom 3 inch single into 2 2.5 pipes. 1 1/2 drop springs, 1 5/16 solid front sway bar, 1 inch rear bar, custom subframe connectors, custom LCA relocation brackets. Kobel ground FX, current red metallic paint. Lots of other stuff...
82camaro
just to put my .02 in, i just finished doing my whole front end, put a set of moog oem style springs in and the thing looks like a monster truck now. the front end sits rediculously high, so i think i'm gonna put a set of drop springs in there in a few weeks. the rear springs are only a year old, maybe 15-20k on them and the front is sitting higher, it looks so gay...just something to consider
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ok, so lowering springs, keep the same "smooth" (LOLOLOL) Feel.
and then lowering springs, tighten up ride, but boost performance,
so what about, lowering springs and spindels?
and how hard is install of spindels, because i like the idea of spindels more now, and then just replace shocks,
THis TOPIC , is great, Xactly one of my questions, thanx guys...
and then lowering springs, tighten up ride, but boost performance,
so what about, lowering springs and spindels?
and how hard is install of spindels, because i like the idea of spindels more now, and then just replace shocks,
THis TOPIC , is great, Xactly one of my questions, thanx guys...
This may sound a bit stupid... if you put 2" lowering springs and 2" drop spindles together... would you get 4 inches of drop? Or it all depends on how much drop you get from the spindles? Like in the example above, you'll get 2 inches drop no matter what kind of springs... Just don't know exactly how it works out...
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K&N Filter
Modded air box
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2 inch springs and 2 inch spindles will give you 4 inches of drop--quite a bit on an f-body.
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350 with stealth intake, holley carb, 470 lift cam. 700r4 with .5 boost valve, vette servo, tci lock-up kit, B&M megashifter. Richmond 3.73 gears, powertrax locker, timkin bearings, synthetic lube. Custom 3 inch single into 2 2.5 pipes. 1 1/2 drop springs, 1 5/16 solid front sway bar, 1 inch rear bar, custom subframe connectors, custom LCA relocation brackets. Kobel ground FX, current red metallic paint. Lots of other stuff...
82camaro
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350 with stealth intake, holley carb, 470 lift cam. 700r4 with .5 boost valve, vette servo, tci lock-up kit, B&M megashifter. Richmond 3.73 gears, powertrax locker, timkin bearings, synthetic lube. Custom 3 inch single into 2 2.5 pipes. 1 1/2 drop springs, 1 5/16 solid front sway bar, 1 inch rear bar, custom subframe connectors, custom LCA relocation brackets. Kobel ground FX, current red metallic paint. Lots of other stuff...
82camaro
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Daz:
I prefer spindles but..I cant afford it and it makes your turning circle bigger..
Daz</font>
I prefer spindles but..I cant afford it and it makes your turning circle bigger..
Daz</font>
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Car: 91 camaro
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Lowering springs give the car really bad, uh, bump steer, I believe the term is. I know that when I hit the lumpies on an on or off ramp, it's kinda scary. This has to do with the lower control arm geometry, I think. Mine is lowered 1.5". I'd put drop spindles on it instead, but I don't want it lowered 2", cant get a jack under it as easy then. Belltech makes the drop spindles. They sell a set of rear springs with the kit. And by just lowering the center of gravity your car will have handeling benefits, even if your springs are the stock spring rate.
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