here goes a headbreaker...
pontaic did build one!!! firebird with a vette rear called the firefox! yes i know there is a firehawk!
i am trying to trace down the car , so far gm is blockin all the info !!!
i ll post the pic and info i got if some explains how i put pics in a post!
have someone seen the car in nature?
has someone build one like it?

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www.camaro-firebird.de

its not the only one.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

Soon to be installed:
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

flip through some chevy magazines. people build them all the time.

not to be ruuuuuddd or so..TAS + JZA!
us chat style ..."there are some" ?
we do have a club libary but i only saw this one article in chevy action mag wayback in 91 , about the original 3.gen with c4 vette rear!
can some one state a mag with an article or link me to a owner of such a car?!

There was a guy who competed in Car and Craft's yearly contest. He had a 89 T/A with an independent rear. This was a couple of years ago...

This place has done it and wrote up the procedure and what parts to use. The parts come from a C-4 corvette. Hope this helps.

http://www.rareautodesign.com/



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-Jason
"Get this, no man with a good car needs to be justified."

91 Z28 305 TPI/5 Spd
92 Formula 305 TPI/5 Spd

I have that Car craft issue with that blue T/A. Too bad they didnt' do a feature on it. they didn't even take a pic of the rear ends. They must be stupid for not doing that. People would love to know how to put IRS under their F-bodies with all these IRS Cobras running around

That Rareautodesign guy is full of ****. he's been dicking everyone around for years and has never emailed me back or sent ANYONE any plans that he has for "sale". He is the ****tiest business man I've ever seen in my entire life. I gaurentee he had nothing to do with building that GTA and just bought it like that. He must make some nice spare change from all his f'n pop up ads on his teaser horsecrap site.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

Soon to be installed:
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

Also find the January 91 Motor Trend. They did an article on prototype cars from GM and Ford and that blue TA is there...twin turbo and intercooled 350, ZF 6 speed, independent rear, and 640 hp...very cool car. But they didn't take any pictures of the rear either, that would've been nice to see.

They got 12.7 @ 116.9 on street tires but they said it was set up for top speed and had the wrong octane gas at the time...plus it's Motor Trend driving so you know they gotta suck.

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1989 IROC-Z, ZZ3 shortblock with some bolt-ons.
13.20 @ 108.69, 2.2 60'

thanks all for ur input...
tas i just read the page ..: rad!
what a joke...he still post stuff that is month old!
not to **** everyone in here but why are all members always waiting for a company to build there needs, then pay big dollar and wait ages???
the 3.gen org should be able to get a real co op sys. working!
get 20 member go to a company and order those sets with a tight price this would put all of us in a demand position and not beg for **** i want to pay for ...i am experiencing this alot in here!
howmany post have u been reading in here were members state they got crab...use the might of this org and whip those a....z..es of the position to sell nothing no more!!!
ok plssss more info on both issues!

I'd like an IRS but they are $1500 used not to mention all the work of getting it in. I've allso heard that all cars that get it done end up creaky and squeeky sounding because it puts pressures on the body where it wasn't designed. Maybe if you had a good rollcage in there to tie everything together it would be ok. Its not going to make the 3rd or 4thgen handle better, just ride better. We already have some of the best handling cars around with minimal cash, time, and money.

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Yeah, I agree it is quite slow for its horsepower considering LS1s are running high 11s NA with "only" 400-500 horses.

Unless they originally got 640 horses when they dynoed it and then detuned it for the article, they must have messed something up big time...that thing should run 10s!

Look at the MPH!! That car was smoking the tires thru 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears on that run.

I live near Detroit, and I seen that car in person 10 years ago. I talked to one of the builders that drove it up to Race Rock when there was one in Clinton Twp, MI. The car was the sweetest 3rd gen I ever seen in my life.

Too bad it stays locked up at the tech center all the time.




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Mike L.

"If it feels good - stay in it "

1987 IROC Z TPI 350 A4 3.27 Borg-Warner.

Mods: 2300-2500 Stall Converter, Shift Kit(GM parts), TPI Specialties Stage 3 PROM, Modified Airbox w/ K&N's, homemade cold air, Relocated MAT sensor, Gutted MAF, 160* thermostat, Accel 8mm Wires, bypassed TB coolant, Flowmaster 3 chamber single 3" in/out muffler, 3" MAC mandrel intermediate, custom dual !cat Y-pipe. airfoil, ported plenum. !smog

http://www.MichaelLasiuta.home.att.net

**BOYCOTT LAPEER DRAGWAY**

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Tas,

Your comment is a great example of why Rare Auto Design has all but abandoned the desire to bring in Internet business. The web site has not been updated and emails go unanswered because the Internet program has been stripped of its funding. Investors demanded the money be diverted back to more profitable projects after witnessing us answer question after question with no one committing to purchase products. We aimed to provide custom engineering to the average consumer instead of just those with exotic cars and the money to afford custom work. Unfortunately for you and other skeptics, businesses like mine will have a difficult time providing cutting edge or custom products for this Internet community.

Since you guarantee that I had nothing to do with developing the IRS kit, I will make a guarantee of my own.
Get 20 members, like “GERMAN” said, to come up with a deposit and I will personally make sure Rare Auto Design sends my prototype components to a manufacturing firm for mass production. The last time I made this offer, the fact that the kit requires professional installation killed the deal.

if you can't even sell a pamplet on how to set up a IRS for $5, $15, $20 or whatever then I don't know what kind of business man you are. My guess, like before: a lame one. Go to kinkos, have them make some for $1 each and sell them. Your website right here: http://www.rareautodesign.com/Manuals.htm says you sell them but you have never answered any emails I have ever sent you. How did you expect to sell anything or any type of complicated kit when you can't even sell paper?

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

Soon to be installed:
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

OK this is gettin funny !
i guess new to 3.gen org history the owner of the company comes into a post and fights, thumps up on that one !
BUT,BUT as tas stateds earlier, no info, one tiny a..z..z pic and no mag or catalog for us to see what we can expect is bu...ll...shi..t!!!!
this webside ( 3.gen org ) has the might to break every bizz´s neck, that playes with 3.gen owners !!!!!!
when i bought the coilover years ago for my car it was so exotic i could only buy it looking at a catalog and i had one installation report in a ( i guess hot rod mag) then!
i got the kit and it did satisfy me for 70 % ...at that time i was happy someone did that for a 3.gen!things changed and with the 4 th gen coming up the whole aftermarket exploded and u could buy stuff i alwasy saw in the ford motorsport catalog in the early 80´s!!!!!!
back to the topic RAD!
you can not set up a company and have nothing and asked the members order the kit and u´ll get it later:
20 kits charge them 500.-$ get it done in mexico for 150.-$ and make some holidays then!! hahaha nice try !
go asked spohn how high the investment is that u need to bring up before u earn money with the kit!!!
state partnumbers ,the volume of the kit, pictures and get the shipping rates then come back in here posin and clear for real what and how the installation is done!!!!
puttin my car in the 10 th soon i can do alot but i will giv weldin on a "vital" part like that to a pro!!!! yes i know some people are doing anything themselfs but they would not buy u kit they have done already with parts for 50$ and avette rear...lol!!
the topic was proofed by andy who worked his *** off to get the 1LE convo going and he didnt charge nothing and only had work...
emagine him settin up a kit it wouldnt had worked cause it is far more involved than thinking about dollars RAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iroczzz3 can you s4nd me this article of motor trend 1/91 with the irs report!??

Tas can u send me this report on carcraft and state the excact issue?

86scbny : who is this guy running the 89 ta with irs in car craft contest??any pics or reports??

iroc5.7tpi did you take pics of it? where is the car now? still in the tech center?

thank you all for the input again...made me smile!

Oooooo, Tas! That's big talk from a CNC operator!

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No guts, no glory.

I don't know how to operate CNC, yet. I just program it. I had all that crap under my name on the side just to **** Pablo off. it worked
-Tas

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited September 30, 2001).]

LOL! CNC Operator= $4.50 an hr parts loader

(I guess its a start)

lol ya $7 an hour putting parts on is easy. You're not really operating anyting. 2 buttons, stop and go. When you really know how to operate it and set it up for jobs and stuff you make over $20 an hour easy. I just program it and the computer spits out the NC code. I don't know what all the code means yet. Besides knowing the NC code an operator knows every button on that giant control panel.
-Tas

Tas,

First, I already admitted the site is outdated and stated the reason for it. Second, it was decided early on to only sell a complete kit. Liability issues came to light once we considered how disastrous it would be if the client made any of a hundred possible mistakes. Anything, from alloy selection to welding methods will affect the structural integrity, not to mention performance, of the system.

German,

I am not exactly sure I understand what you are suggesting. Contrary to what you may believe, it is not a wise business decision for RAD to invest the money up front to meet a manufacturer’s minimum order and to advertise a kit that we feel only a handful of people will buy. Even all of our research and development contracts are paid for up front. Still, I would have taken the risk with serious commitment from a decent number of people in the form of a deposit.


Before I continue, I would like to make one point clear. My participating in this discussion is not an attempt to rekindle interest in our products. Even though I would honor the offer made in my previous post, I have long since lost interest in selling an IRS kit or much of anything else at Thirdgen. Rather than being money motivated and develop parts solely for the HOT vehicles on the market, I hoped to just make a little helping those at Thirdgen realize some of their great car’s potential. I will petition to reopen the Internet division in the near future. But, this time I will learn from our mistakes and offer products to those willing to embrace the technology.
I will give you an example.
Incon asked for, I believe it was, 100 - thousand dollar deposits to develop a twin turbo for the LS1 and got it. I’ve had a prototype force feeding an L98 since the early 90’s. Does anyone think the members of Thirdgen would be willing to even come close?

I understand the need to be cautious, but members of Thirdgen seem to automatically distrust, disbelieve and disapprove of everything before taking the time to understand what is going on. I have personally witnessed fellow members on the right track to creating something wonderful, just give up because of the cruelty they encounter. Think what could have happened if everyone had put their minds together. If you guys want to compete with Forthgens and imports, attitudes will have to change.

Incon has a good reputation and people see results. That's how they got an order. Same with Spohn and others. You can't exptect people to rally behind you or anyone else for thousands of dollars with no evidence of any progress for any products mentioned. That's why I mentioned the pamphlets. Start small. Build credibility. Start a kit: get a volunetter or two and document the swap in work. Show it is possible, it is practicle, and that it improves track times or whatever. At the very least you can publish a nice book. P.A.W. and book stores have all kinds of automotive books for $20 a pop at least if not more. Put a disclaimer on it and you can't get sued for showing how you did something.
-Tas

Tas,

Thank you for your suggestions. I am making note of them so they will be considered when the time comes to reestablish our Internet division.

RADONE: i live in lake mary. right now my car is getting an LT1 swaped in. afterwords maybe we could meet.
im interested.
ttyl
RS.

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1992 Camaro RS</A>
94' Z28 Drivetrain(LT1,4L60E,PCM,3.42 posi w/ disk), Walbro 255P fuel pump
!a/c,!cat,hooker headers 1 5/8", hooker Cat back,
Custom Tune(Rev.b based)

Best Time: (old times)
15.279@89.02MPH
Underdog Racing

You have mail...like I said earlier though, they didn't have any pics of the rear.


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1989 IROC-Z, ZZ3 shortblock with some bolt-ons.
13.20 @ 108.69, 2.2 60'

[This message has been edited by IROCZZ3 (edited June 25, 2001).]

this is fuzzy work:::
Rad..one! you never did promote this conversion right!
again one pic that shows nothing....no catalog and you feel like you are missing customers???
my conclution is you are afraid that someone will copy you! thats why i keep back all stuff...Guys like andy on 3.gen are a pain in da a..z..z for you guys!
he did the 1le conversion for free! everyone doing it saved big time money due to his work !!! thats is what third gen is about for me!!!
he did mention companies jumpin onto this and trying to sell a kit were everyone could see that there are ripping us off!
back to rad ...! you problem seems to be that you need the deposits of the members ...cash...to be sure then they can´t back out (once they see what they are gettin for the 500$
if the quality of ur craftmanship is fine you dont have to worry!!!!!!people will always pay more before they buy a cheap copicat!!
3.gen members are "pro´s" ...do you need a stupid audience to sell ur stuff?
You mentioned ICON!! get there reputation first...bake small buns then bread...!

is the kid already dead..? NOOO!
1. post real pics!
2. state a amount for the kit!
3. a little catalog with parts and work involved mentioned
4.campain the car invite florida members for a testride

5. dont mess with 3.gen members...lol!

thanks iroczzz3 for the mail!!!!!!!!

i am hoping to be in the usa in okt...i hate florida ...too many germans down there.. but i would love to see the car!!!
mario

well done half the homework...need my irs!!
on the pic racing set up

any 4th gen conversion around where we could get more info? there should be someone on 3.gen who owns one or knows one!!

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why the hell would anyone want IRS on a performance car???? you cant buy a posi for it and you cant(i think) buy gears.....plus irs is for ride comfort not performance, why the hell do you think the cobras have them? and the vettes? cause all the old geezers who can afford them want a soft ride, they dont race them like us.......

well as time permits i will write more about myself and the club! i will also work harder on our website: www.camaro-firebird.de!
i fell in love with 3.gen after owning several 2.gen cars, the only thing i hated where the things GM messed up on this car: no 92` hipo idition,no 350 manual cars, no irs,4 zyl in this kind of heavy body, and the list could go on , ohh forgot this one:short notchback offering...thanks god i could get one!
buttman ...1. there are real bad guns in the c4 vette hood blasting 10 sec street cars..."doug the ripper" got proofed that the rich grandaddys buying greenwood top speed vettes spend there money wrong...2. there are gears+posi units...3. we have different laws and roads over here ! no speed limit is no speed limit and that means handling...you dont wanna make a mistake at 260 km/H!... till 1997 we had the only real city roadrace strip( imagine long beach indy at ur door) in germany then called: "AVUS" a high speed part of the führer autobahn! there were 3 mustangs running in the field , they blasted the BMW´s and BENZ and ALPHA in the straight with over 330km/h ,but in the 180 ° corner they fell back with there horsewagon rear´s !4. i am always into new stuff and testing !i worked on my k-member years ago when art morrison didn´t anwer my request for one...now looking at my other post this is gettin a hype...

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buddman91rs: That is one of the most naieve comments I've heard in a long time. First of all, what would make you think you can't have posi traction with an IRS? The Vette has had posi traction for a long time as well as many other cars with rear wheels drive and IRS. As for gears. You can buy many different aftermarket gearsets for the Vette rear. They may be a liitle more expensive but they are still readily available. Here comes the stupidest comment of them all though. "why the hell would anyone want IRS on a performance car???? .....plus irs is for ride comfort not performance, why the hell do you think the cobras have them? and the vettes? cause all the old geezers who can afford them want a soft ride, they dont race them like us......." Since when has the Corvette and the new Mustang Cobra not been a performance car?!? Last time I checked, I'm pretty sure they were. And the new Vette ZO6 is one of the best handling cars on the road and will still click off easy 12's in the 1/4. And it does all this with.......wow, an IRS. IRS has been in the Corvette since the 60's and it was not put in there to satisfy the old geezers aching butts. It was intended for one thing, and one thing only: performance. Oh yeah one more thing. Those Vette guys will race with us all day long and walk all over us. The only time you wouldn't want IRS is when you are building an all out drag race car. You need to go home and think about what you were trying to say there because obviously you had no idea what you were talking about.

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1991 Z28 - 350 TPI, T56, McLeod street clutch, LT4 pressure plate, Pro 5.0 shifter, ported plenum & runners, AFPR, Holley Annihilator ignition box and wires, Hooker shorty headers w/o AIR, Flowmaster muffler, homeade ram-air, SSM subframe connectors, Kenny Brown STB, Global West steering box brace, Steve Spohn adjustable torque arm and T56 crossmember

steve...ouch...hihi, butt : write on the board 10000000 times i will never question vette power...hahahah
back to the topic: any one on 3.gen with IIIIRRRRSSSS????

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Buddman, you are a moron.

The corvette was called Americas 1st true sports car because it had the IRS in 63. im not gonna state everything that has been stated, but do you think a Ferrari 360 Modena has a solid rear axle? if you do you need to unjam your head from your *** and take a look at one. and if you think the 360 Modena isnt a true performance car, maybe you oughtta jam it back up further cuz i dont wnat to hear what you have to say.

in anycase, my vette will run circles (litterally) arround and out power my TA any way, shape or form. the TA rides like a horse with broken legs, and the vette rides like a champ. its all the perks of IRS. Or maybe im just an 18 year old gezer.

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1979 L-82 Beefed up Corvette. Bright-orange with orange pearl.
end of summer: NOS!! im thinkin 250 shot. (already have a full race engine.)
god i love this car.

1985 WS6 Trans AM T-tops
bone stock sloth of an engine on its last leg(LG4 w/ 175,000mi)
T-5 tranny. thank god, i couldnt stand an LG4 auto.
Plans for an LT1,
dual exaust,
& a pounding stereo.

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https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/002039.html

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

Soon to be installed:
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited June 26, 2001).]

Soo are these things available or what?


And radone to keep up a web page is cheap as hell... And to have someone spend a few hours every couple days is well worth the minor effort to get some good sales. If your company actually had anything to sell to the 3rd gen public that was worth a crap you would have plenty of sales from us. I am EXTREMELY INTERESTED PAST BEYOUND ALL BELEIF IN THIS SWAP, but I most certainly and not going to mail someone 500 bucks and not even kmow what the fu(k I am getting in return.


So what other people have this IRS swap available???????

other people have done it, but how they did it is not public knowledge.
-Tas

I don't have a scanner so this is the best I could do for example pics





Amazingly, there's really not tons of work involved or complicated parts in the installation of a vette rear,,, just making sure everything is in it's proper place with taking s-loads of measurements and being a good welder (I would seriously question making it a bolt in installation). There is much useful information about doing this type of work in Boyd Coddington's How to Build Hot Rod Chassis book. Well worth the $18 IMO,, much useful information.



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• My Firebird
• Others 3rd gens
• Part Diagrams

The mind is like a parachute, it only works when its open

thanks.. glad to hear it's not all that diffacult. So I should go get that ook then huh?... LOL I will.

Though I must ask how was it to work around the gas tank, or rather build the mounting cage around the tank?. I think I will just get a pollurathane one and relocate it personally. Never mind WTF am I thinking the tank is more rear ward than I was thinking...

Sorry about the pics,,, Angelcities busted me for 'hotlinking' images to here. The book is definatly worth the cost,,, it goes in to suspention & many other aspects of setting up a frame to achieve what you desire out of it. The drawback is it's mainly talking about building a car from nothing,,, but many of the techniques apply to existing cars as well.

As far as the gas tank is concerned,,, it sets up tucked between the existing frame rail as to where it would no interfere with an IRS. One drawback I can see tho thinking about it now,, To be truely solid the IRS needs to have it's mounts soildly fixed,,, which I would say calls for welding,,, but,, with doing that,, the bracing would have to be made in a way to not keep the gas tank from being removed.

Like I said tho origanally,, the actual doing it isn't the hard part,,, measuring is.

From what I see from a welders standpoint,,, is maybe if the frame rail were beefed up with descent reinforcement,,, it would be poss to bolt the main hoghead brace/frame mount in to keep access to the tank for say it ever needed to be dropped.

To say the IRS is a waste of time as far as performance is rather misinformed. IRS has the traction setup/adjustability of a 4 link with the ride quality of independent suspension.

The beloved T/a from car craft that has the IRs steup is owned by Greg Jestica of Sidney, British Columbia. It is an 88 T/A with a 355 "TPI" Accel/DFI fuel injection and AFR heads. A T-56 gearbox was added along with the 86 vette IRS (3.08 gears)riding on 17x9.5 centerlines all around (275/40-17 tires)

The performance of this machine is as printed in the magazine from the Real Street Eliminator contest

1/4 mile.... 12.64@117.21
Gymkhana.... 52.51/sec (I assume an autocross type track,, to lazy to read )
Fuel Economy..30.09mpg



[This message has been edited by deadbird (edited June 27, 2001).]

after 6 days on this board the IRS made it to the top topic! what do we got now???
17 members are intressted 4 of you already had left mails in earlier posts!
these 9 members:darkside, Black Beauty, ede, Bort62, GTA Notchback, Andy89RS, nosaint, drain89, crazy Hawaiian also dealt with this topic in earlier posts!

GTA Notchback (27.11.00)...john heinichy did a irs convo for 4th gen...

darkside (12.12.00) .. i know in 91 the firehawk was introduced it set beside a 91 ta with irs...

1. does someone know the 89 ta owner running in car craft contest..is the .canadian owner with the irs (jestica) ...deadbird talked about?
2.can someone state the car craft issue ! or send the irs part to me?
3. is the original gm car still at the techcenter in ? ...Iroc5,7TPI did you take pics?...
4. who is john heinichey???
5. pontiac´s answer to my request: "did you mistake this with the firehawk?"...again gm: get those office suckers out there...i wrote them a full info on the chevy action report in 91 with the special task manager´s name in charge at that time and they should know better....than :"did you mistake that with the firehawk!"

lots of info but no kit...yet!




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www.camaro-firebird.de

The Car Craft issue was from January of 1996

any new info on this topic?

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87 IROC-z 305 TPI
Borg Warner T-5 fresh rebuild
10-bolt 3.73 Richmond gears rebuilt GM posi,
Ported Plenum and Runners Homemade AFPR
ACCEL 8.8 wires, High output coil,and cap & rotor
Bosch platinum + 4 plugs
Ram Air w/ K&N filters,
MAF sensor screens removed, TB coolant bypass
Polyurethane tranny and torque arm mounts
Dynomax catback w/custom tips
K&N oil filter,Mobil 1 synth, Futura GLS Super Sport tires 265/50/15 rear and 235/60/15 front mounted on 86 monte carlo SS rims ,

400 sbc and a 6 spd in the works

We are working on it!
The base is a 88 Vette rear, after seeing pics on the internet with a third gen running a Vette rear we thought it´s a nice winter project!
And yes there are some spy´s out there, checkin the so much talked about conversion...

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www.camaro-firebird.de

I do seem to remember a picture of an 88 Iroc called Toxic Z. Toxic Z is equipped with a Vette IRS out back. It appeared in the August 1997 issue of Hot Rod magazine. You might try contacting Petersen Publishing, explaining that you are looking into doing a rear IRS conversion, and that you need to contact the owner of Toxic Z.

It's a longshot, but it's the best info I got.

i have that issue, thats a really sweet car,too bad it was only in the readers rides section...



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87 IROC-z 305 TPI
Borg Warner T-5 fresh rebuild
10-bolt 3.73 Richmond gears rebuilt GM posi,
Ported Plenum and Runners Homemade AFPR
ACCEL 8.8 wires, High output coil,and cap & rotor
Bosch platinum + 4 plugs
Ram Air w/ K&N filters,
MAF sensor screens removed, TB coolant bypass
Polyurethane tranny and torque arm mounts
Dynomax catback w/custom tips
K&N oil filter,Mobil 1 synth, Futura GLS Super Sport tires 265/50/15 rear and 235/60/15 front mounted on 86 monte carlo SS rims ,

400 sbc and a 6 spd in the works

Here is the car & article you were originally talking about german,,,

The FireFox



Read about it here... http://transamgta.com/FireFox/

(I want those tailights,, well,, the whole car really but realistically, the tails.. heh)



[This message has been edited by deadbird (edited October 11, 2001).]

Thanks deadbird!
We are trying to gather data of a 3rd gen!
Mitchell and all other std. books only carry half the info!
If i compare the dimension info in my porsche
shop manuals ...gm looks like mickey mouse!

Gm way to hide info from the f-body maniac is wired!We requested info on the FIREFOX and the repley was: there is no firefox , are you talking about the firehawk?
Well as soon as we have more data we will start building the rear!

The 88 rear with abs is compl. so we are gathering opinions on what to do how !
Any real opinion ( pls no Q´s why are you doing that) is welcome!

Due to the many request here we will update our website in english and post some pics off our saison: last german race ...Eurospeedway (Euro gt race) was a blast!
A marcos and a viper busting porsches hahaha!

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www.camaro-firebird.de

the engine looks great without the AC and the air tubes going into the manifold/headers. I wonder if you can put the alternator where the AC was and get a shorter belt. Keep us posted german and take lots of picutres!

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6
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[This message has been edited by Tas (edited October 11, 2001).]