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Old Mar 16, 2020 | 08:07 PM
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Weird Angles after S60 Install

Just finished up installing all new rear suspension and a Strange S60 rear end. I’m trying to wrap my head around what could be causing both of my rear wheels to be angled like this. I currently do not have a driveshaft or torque arm installed. List of parts used: Eibach Sportline lowering springs (front and rear), KYB single way adjustable shocks, Midwest Chassis adjustable panhard bar and lower control arms, QA1 sway bar. It almost looks like both rear wheels have a toe-in, but how could that be possible on a brand new solid rear axle?

View of drive side from front of car

View of drive side from rear of car

View of passenger side from front of car

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Old Mar 16, 2020 | 08:11 PM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

There should be zero toe.

Pictures can be deceiving.... get a tape measure & an actual reading from tire to tire to verify.
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Old Mar 16, 2020 | 08:24 PM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

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There should be zero toe.

Pictures can be deceiving.... get a tape measure & an actual reading from tire to tire to verify.
Took your advice and measured the front of the drivers side wheel to the front of the passenger side wheel. And then did the same from back to back. Both came out 71” inches almost exactly. I feel dumb for not doing that way earlier. So the angles looking off is just most likely just how the chassis is sitting over the rear end, right?
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Old Mar 16, 2020 | 08:28 PM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

There's really no other possible explanation. It's all in the optics.
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Old Mar 16, 2020 | 08:33 PM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

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There's really no other possible explanation. It's all in the optics.
Yeah, it was definitely a mind **** to see what appeared to be both rear wheels angled inward. Still not 100% sure what’s causing it to appear that way, but after measuring I can at least be sure the axle is straight.
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Old Mar 17, 2020 | 09:41 AM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

If your lower control arms are adjustable it can rotate the rear if they aren't set the same length. Make sure they are set at the same length and then button up the rest of the parts. If your torque arm is out of alignment with the trans than you know there is an issue.
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Old Mar 17, 2020 | 10:42 AM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

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If your lower control arms are adjustable it can rotate the rear if they aren't set the same length. Make sure they are set at the same length and then button up the rest of the parts. If your torque arm is out of alignment with the trans than you know there is an issue.
The lower control are adjustable and definitely misaligned. I also do not have a torque arm in the car at the moment. So I was fully expecting an issue, I just saw the weird angles and thought my axle might’ve arrived slightly bent. I’m guessing it’ll look a lot better when I get the torque arm on and an alignment.
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

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The lower control are adjustable and definitely misaligned.

Get those fixed first or put the stock ones back in to at least know you have two equal length LCA's. You cannot align a solid rear in these cars in the traditional sense so you'll have to figure it out.
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Old Mar 17, 2020 | 12:01 PM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

Originally Posted by ShiftyCapone
Get those fixed first or put the stock ones back in to at least know you have two equal length LCA's. You cannot align a solid rear in these cars in the traditional sense so you'll have to figure it out.
I’ll try it out! Thanks for the advice!
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

Adjustable control arms WILL NOT fix toe. They may fix, or DESTROY, many other things; but there is NO WAY, in a solid axle system, that they will point BOTH tires farther in, or out. You can make them BOTH point to the left, or to the right; you can even change the instant center, or the wheelbase, or the center of gravity; you can make the car "crab"; but you CANNOT change their relative angle.

BOTH are supposed to point straight ahead.

All you've shown us is pictures of fenders. Fenders are TOTAL CRAP. They are not "The Car", they are merely some trim hung out randomly in space somewhere. You are trying to tell us the same thing as, that your house foundation is unlevel (or whatever) because the drapes in one room don't look right. Look, see the pictures??? The drapes are wrong??????? EFFFF the drapes. Measure the FOUNDATION.

Go get yourself a 4-wheel alignment. If that shows toe more than a few .001"s in the rear, either in or out, then it's time to talk to Strange. Who I'm sure will do what's needed to set it right.
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 07:48 PM
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Re: Weird Angles after S60 Install

Originally Posted by sofakingdom
Adjustable control arms WILL NOT fix toe. They may fix, or DESTROY, many other things; but there is NO WAY, in a solid axle system, that they will point BOTH tires farther in, or out. You can make them BOTH point to the left, or to the right; you can even change the instant center, or the wheelbase, or the center of gravity; you can make the car "crab"; but you CANNOT change their relative angle.

BOTH are supposed to point straight ahead.

All you've shown us is pictures of fenders. Fenders are TOTAL CRAP. They are not "The Car", they are merely some trim hung out randomly in space somewhere. You are trying to tell us the same thing as, that your house foundation is unlevel (or whatever) because the drapes in one room don't look right. Look, see the pictures??? The drapes are wrong??????? EFFFF the drapes. Measure the FOUNDATION.

Go get yourself a 4-wheel alignment. If that shows toe more than a few .001"s in the rear, either in or out, then it's time to talk to Strange. Who I'm sure will do what's needed to set it right.
Talked to a lot of people and done a lot of research since posting this, as well as getting some rough measurements between the front and back of the wheels. I totally agree with everything you’re saying and I really appreciate the advice. I still have a lot more to do before I’ll be able to make it to an alignment shop. I do not believe the axle is bent at all.
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