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LOOK INSIDE -- I just cut an injector open. :)

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Old May 15, 2002 | 06:05 PM
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LOOK INSIDE -- I just cut an injector open. :)

It blew my mind, i will have it in autocad next week, and i will have pics tonight. WOW is all i can say.

Hope the suspense doesnt kill people.
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Old May 15, 2002 | 08:13 PM
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you're such a tease
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Old May 15, 2002 | 08:30 PM
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mwahahahah , hahahaha, i am evil aint I. well here we go.



http://members.***.net/snflupigus/tb...fcompleted.jpg

http://members.***.net/snflupigus/tb...r/exploded.jpg

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Old May 15, 2002 | 08:38 PM
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the bottom peice screws in, but is tack welded in 3 spots, the top of the shell is pinched down around the "top peice" that holds the electromagnents selenoid and everything else down. the top peice is connected to the "mushroom". There is an allen head screw in the mushroom that i could not turn even after drill out the tack welds there as well. 3 again. so i decided to cut the ***** in half. LOL. to take one apart, without damaging it, you would need to have a special key or whatnot to unscrew the bottom peice, 2 little holes are there so you could unscrew it. then you would have to uncrimp the top lip. i assume this would be VERY difficult to do and still use the injector. I think that by messing with the allen head screw, you can make your own fuel injectors FLOW MORE. but this is just a theory. dont screw with yours unless you have a flow bench and can test this theory

These injectors could be modified to be installed much like tpi injectors in a modified / redesigned pod. You probably know where im going with this. Again, i will have it all in cad end of next week.

please post whatever questions / comments you have.
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Old May 15, 2002 | 11:08 PM
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"Pinky? Are you pondering what I'm pondering????"

Thanks for the picks. I've always wanted to see what the inside of the injectors looked like. I'm sure the gears in your head are turning. You're not going to go for something like plenum injection huh? Barry Grant style maybe.
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Old May 15, 2002 | 11:36 PM
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Would be interesting to know what differences if any there are in the higher flowing injectors. Maybe the allen screw is how they calibrate the flow and lock it with a few tack welds?? Hmmmmm...
Cool pics thanx man
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Old May 16, 2002 | 01:37 PM
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I did some reading, and that screw IS how its calibrated. It doesnt affect flow rate only the way the injector pintle retracts and closes (probably the speed)

just as my own guess it would seem the higher the fuel pressure you use the more you would want to preload that spring with that screw. Thats assuming the fuel pressure wants to push the pintle up
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Old May 16, 2002 | 07:30 PM
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Very cool stuff
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Old May 16, 2002 | 08:05 PM
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So let me ask this (not that im gonna do it) but changeing the rate at which the "pintel retracts and closes" would do what exactly to my 65# cop car injectors???

I wish I had access to a flow bench to try it on these dern 45#ers I have just layin around that I can't seem to give away.
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Old May 17, 2002 | 01:00 AM
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Cool. What are you cutting up next.
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Old May 17, 2002 | 10:28 PM
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for anybody cuttin stuff up.....

USE SAFETY GLASSES!!!

I HAD AN EYE PATCH ON TODAY,

THURSDAY I DID THIS, GOT A PEICE IN MY EYE, DIDNT THINK IT STUCK, I WAS WRONG. ABOUT NOON ON FRIDAY MY EYE WAS WATERING HORRIBLY AND I COULDNT SEE TO DRIVE, ONE NOSTRIL WAS ALSO DRAINING EXCESSIVE TEARAGE.

WENT TO EMERGENCY VISIT TO EYE DOCTOR, HE TOOK A NEEDLE, YES A TRUCKING NEEDLE TO MY EYE TO REMOVE THE EMBEDED PEICE OF METAL, WHATEVER IT WAS IT WASNT ALUMINUM, IT HAD RUSTED IN MY EYE, AND CAUSE HORRIBLE PAIN. THEN AFTER REMOVING IT HE TOOK A TINY DREMEL LIKE ITEM AND BUFFED MY EYEBALL TO GET RID OF THE RUST. NEAT HUH? THE PAIN WAS NOT FUN, I KEPT PASSING IN AND OUT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT HAD CAUSED MAJOR A MIGRAIN AND A LOT OF PRESSURE IN MY EYE CAVITY FROM SWELLING. IT FELT LIKE MY EYE WAS BLEEDING.

so now that ive told my story, USE EYE PROTECTION.

I will be cutting up something, dont you worry, i now have full vision thank ***, and will be back at my evIl ways with a little bit more clear plastic between me and the dremel.

the injector is cool, pablo, i think the fuel would actually be trying to close the pintle, and the electricity would be pulling it back open. where were you reading please share your info. the spring is quite weak actually, this is why i think this, if there is low or no pressure the spring is enough to keep it closed not to leak, hence old injector leaky injector, old worn out spring. If the screw is not loaded on the spring, it would probably need a longer spring to keep it closed enough at low pressure, since the screw is out farther to allow for larger "throw" of the pintle to increase pph.

let me know your thoughts too.

Jon, thats all you have to say.??
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Old May 18, 2002 | 09:09 AM
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glad to hear you're alright snuf - i've shot myself w/a valve spring - not fun
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Old May 18, 2002 | 12:29 PM
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That spring doesn't look like much more than something that would hold closed after no power gets to the injectors.
How exactly do your injectors work? I mean I always thought they were like a speaker and if you put power and ground to the terminals it would open BUT if you switched the polarity around it would close. Does the ecm do this or it is only an open and then rely on those dinky springs to do all the closing? I would hope it wasn't, I'm sure somebody knows because I'm too lazy to go look at the schimatics AGAIN.
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Old May 18, 2002 | 07:29 PM
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i think the plunger in the center of the coil is made of metal and not a magnet and the system is dc (i think) so that dinky a@@ spring is the only thing to close them after the system switches off. Snuff, correct me if im wrong about that plunger in the center of the coil but i think its just ferrous metal so it can be pulled toward teh coil when current is flowing.
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