TBI Throttle Body Injection discussion and questions. L03/CFI tech and other performance enhancements.

new idea for a lil more power from TBI.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 02:57 PM
  #1  
MrDude_1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,550
Likes: 4
From: Charleston, SC
Car: 91 Camaro Vert
Engine: 02 LS1, HX40
Transmission: 2002 LS1 M6
new idea for a lil more power from TBI.

as you can see on the pic i made below, the TBI bores are slightly covered on the edges by a standard holley squarebore pattern.
for a actual pic of this, click here: http://www.mez.co.uk/dcam/11050005.JPG

my idea is pretty simple... turn the TB to a angle so that you get more uncovered surface area.

this would require a custom TBI to carb flange adapter, and some tweeking on the lines, but it appears to be totally doable...



ofcourse, i dont have TBI anymore, so i cant do it myself.. i just thought id throw it out there....
Attached Thumbnails new idea for a lil more power from TBI.-tbi-mounting-idea.jpg  
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 02:58 PM
  #2  
Dewey316's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 6,577
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR www.cascadecrew.org
Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
problem is, at part throttle it wlil direct the fuel to only 1 bank.

and would only work with a single plane.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 03:02 PM
  #3  
MrDude_1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,550
Likes: 4
From: Charleston, SC
Car: 91 Camaro Vert
Engine: 02 LS1, HX40
Transmission: 2002 LS1 M6
Originally posted by Dewey316
problem is, at part throttle it wlil direct the fuel to only 1 bank.

and would only work with a single plane.

obviously it needs a single plane intake.... but what do you mean by only one bank at part throttle?

both bores open at the same time.... and with a common plenum like with a single plane intake, that isnt a problem.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 03:06 PM
  #4  
V6sucker's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,287
Likes: 1
Car: a car being parted out
Engine: blown up
Transmission: in peices
if your going to go through all that trouble why not just buy some 1/2" aluminum plate and drill, hone that? be alot easier... at least I think it would be.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 03:13 PM
  #5  
MrDude_1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 9,550
Likes: 4
From: Charleston, SC
Car: 91 Camaro Vert
Engine: 02 LS1, HX40
Transmission: 2002 LS1 M6
Originally posted by V6sucker
if your going to go through all that trouble why not just buy some 1/2" aluminum plate and drill, hone that? be alot easier... at least I think it would be.
thats what im suggesting.

instead of having the TBI mounted straight, drill/hone a plate so that its at a 45* angle..


keep in mind, im doing this off memory, so i might be remembering wrong, but i think most square bore manifolds were too thin/close on the edges to bore straight down to make clearance... if thats what you're implying.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 03:16 PM
  #6  
Ronny's Avatar
TGO Supporter
20 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 6,880
Likes: 4
From: wisconsin
i think the angle of the butterfies direct the fuel in a specific direction at say 1/4 throttle. they(inj) spray on the blades and the flow is not uniform to all runners. by moving the injectors 45 deg. it would appear the right passanger "bank" would get more fuel at part throttle. not a problem at full throttle however but how often does one run full throttle? function as a diverter as that is why some TBI adapter plates have an offset. i think mine is about 1/4 to 5/16 inch offset.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 03:31 PM
  #7  
Ronny's Avatar
TGO Supporter
20 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 6,880
Likes: 4
From: wisconsin
when my 7.4L TB was mocked up over my single plane it was obvious that the plate bore(s) is larger than the width of the weiand. several options exist to help the situation. i question if this is really that big of a deal? if i grind on the manifold sealing surface i may have a potential vac leak as sealing surface is reduced by at least half. some spray may settle on the ridge but will it result in any discerable tuning/performance issues? after all pulling 600 cfms over that ridge should pull some wet into the mix.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 06:58 PM
  #8  
dimented24x7's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 9,962
Likes: 5
From: Moorestown, NJ
Car: 88 Camaro SC
Engine: SFI'd 350
Transmission: TKO 500
Axle/Gears: 9-bolt w/ 3.23's
A spread-bore intake with a slightly offset adapter fits the larger tbi quite nicely as its nearly the same size as teh secondaries on a q-jet. The only problem is the intake selection is more limited, although I hear the ZZ4 intake is supposed to be a good intake for mild street motors.

I think the end may not jsutify the means given that everything has to be relocated and the fuel lines rebent or new ones run all together. The tbi can be accomodated by just grinding and smoothing the area that obstucts the bores along with a decent adapter/spacer there as well it shouldnt pose much of a restriction.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 07:06 PM
  #9  
dimented24x7's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 9,962
Likes: 5
From: Moorestown, NJ
Car: 88 Camaro SC
Engine: SFI'd 350
Transmission: TKO 500
Axle/Gears: 9-bolt w/ 3.23's
Originally posted by Ronny
i think the angle of the butterfies direct the fuel in a specific direction at say 1/4 throttle. they(inj) spray on the blades and the flow is not uniform to all runners. by moving the injectors 45 deg. it would appear the right passanger "bank" would get more fuel at part throttle. not a problem at full throttle however but how often does one run full throttle? function as a diverter as that is why some TBI adapter plates have an offset. i think mine is about 1/4 to 5/16 inch offset.
I think the offset is to put the tbis throttle shaft in the same place as those of the throttle shaft for the primaries on a carb so the linkages hook up. I know at least the holley adapter was most likely meant for retrofits into older carbed vehicles.

As for the injectors, use some pod gaskets or a pod spacer to raise the injectors up enough so that the majority of the spray hits the walls and not the throttle blades. Itll give better fuel dist.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
BRoss99
Electronics
28
Aug 10, 2025 05:08 PM
MustangBeater20
TBI
11
Oct 29, 2022 09:20 PM
camaro11j
Transmissions and Drivetrain
4
Sep 19, 2018 08:49 AM
92camaroJoe
Tech / General Engine
6
Aug 13, 2015 06:07 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:45 PM.