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is there a way to get 300hp from a tbi

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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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is there a way to get 300hp from a tbi

and still be N/A?
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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Yup.

I know a guy pulling 315hp crank with a 305tbi.
But, most people here will tell you that its not possible.
So, dont get too discouraged.


Tunning, port and and valve job, full exhaust, 3:23 or 3.42 gears will get you decent performance. Dont need to bore it necesseraly.

(If you wanna get cocky, 125 shot will do the trick)
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Re: is there a way to get 300hp from a tbi

Originally posted by cookie21
and still be N/A?
Easily.

RBob.
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 01:10 AM
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You'll need to dump the 187 casting heads for any reasonable power level.
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by iroc22
You'll need to dump the 187 casting heads for any reasonable power level.
I made 240 RWHP with stock 187 castings!
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by iroc22
You'll need to dump the 187 casting heads for any reasonable power level.
Dewey316 made 208 rwhp with stock 187 castings, cam swap, and exhaust on a 305, and ran 14.5.

Lo-tec ran 13.6 with a 193 casting Caddy LO5 engine that also had the cam swap + exhaust.

Reasonable power can be made with stock castings. More power can be made with ported heads.
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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The heads would be pretty far down on my list of mods too. Way after exhaust, cam, intake, and getting a 350.

Whats up with the influx of tuned port guys lately?
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Holley suggests their four barrell/4 injector TBI supports 500 HP.
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by kdrolt
Dewey316 made 208 rwhp with stock 187 castings, cam swap, and exhaust on a 305, and ran 14.5.

Lo-tec ran 13.6 with a 193 casting Caddy LO5 engine that also had the cam swap + exhaust.

Reasonable power can be made with stock castings. More power can be made with ported heads.
208rwhp is a bit away from 300hp like the original poster wants

Using a 350 is obviously going to get you closer to a 300hp goal. Anything beyond that will need new heads.

I dicked around with 187's before when I had a TBI car, I didnt get very far with those heads, ended up swapping for S/R 305 Torquers.
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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I know it is. But I was just shy of 240rwhp with the 416 heads, and the same cam. at 12% loss that is about 270 hp. Its getting closer to the 300hp mark, and I really don't have much money tied up in this, it is a pretty easy buildup.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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thanks for all the info guys.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 10:08 PM
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I was making 275 RWHP before bumping FP and EBL. Thats a stock short block 350 Xfire.
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 12:18 AM
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What kind of heads should I slap on my built 355 short block? I'm really don't have any idea what combo would work best with it.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewey316
I know it is. But I was just shy of 240rwhp with the 416 heads, and the same cam. at 12% loss that is about 270 hp. Its getting closer to the 300hp mark, and I really don't have much money tied up in this, it is a pretty easy buildup.
What combo are you running now and what combo made 240 whp? Haven't heard much about your setup lately, kinda out of the loop
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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big flow heads may not be best for street driven application. especially TBI. cheap heads may cause other issues. i happen to have a professional engine builder as an aquaintance/business relationship. the latest heads coming from Edelbrock(cnc) are perfection. in his humble opinion having set up more than a couple engines. he is a total frame off restoration specialist. now again not the highest flow(rpm) but good velocity which means easier to tune.

chev vortec is another lower cost alternative.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Hell while we are talking about heads I can't wait to get mine back from the machine shop.Fully ported and polished 081's with a 3 angle valve job and 1.94 ,1.54 valves ,oh yeah good times lol these are gonna be great.
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