To anybody with TBI, I'm planning on writing a letter to Edelbrock in responce to their lack of support of TBI Camaros. This letter is a plead for products developement, it was drafted about an hour ago, and I would like your input. It is still only a draft, and anybody who agrees with me I would like you to say so and give me permission to add your name to the bottom of my list. A sort of petition if you will.

Here is the draft of the letter if you are interested. I know I'd love to see a power package designed and marketed for TBI cars. Your opinions are needed and welcome, as well are permission to add your name. . .

Letter:


Dear Edelbrock:

I am writing to you on behalf of all third generation Camaro owners who were cursed with Throttle Body Injection (TBI) from the factory. The factory L03 engines which are 305s equipped with TBI are rated at about 170 hp which is significantly low for a small block V8. There are a consideral amount of people who own these third generation Camaros equipped with the L03 engines and are looking for performance upgrades for them. Surprisingly, aftermarket support for our cars is very hard to find. There are two main reasons why these people are having trouble.

The first reason is head design for the 305. The 305 heads that came on the L03s had combustion chambers that were about 54.5 cc in volume which provided about 9.5:1 compression with the stock pistons. Not only did these heads have smaller combustion chambers than most 350 heads, and even World Products S/R Torquer 305 heads which feature 58 cc combustion chambers, they were made to fit the smaller bore of the 305. Even though it is possible to make 350 heads work with the 305’s smaller bore, it’s difficult to do so. For one the heads usually must be milled to reduce there combustion chamber volume, special low thickness gaskets must be used to help increase compression, and high lift cams are out of the question due to valve-to-bore clearance with the larger valves. Even though the 305s smaller bore limits valve size, there is still a lot of performance that can be squeezed out of these engines.

The second and main reason for the 305 being hard to modify is it’s fuel injection. Many of us third gen owners like TBI because of the old style look. With the air cleaner on the engine, it appears to look like a carbureator and looks a lot cleaner than a Tuned Port Injection (TPI) setup. There have been numerous attempts to make Holley’s truck TBIs work, but Holley has developed some what of a bad reputation due to injector breakage, improper instructions, wrong wiring connectors, and an Projection intake that is said to be not much better than the stock. Edelbrock’s TBI intake does not have a good reputation either among us third gen owners. I would like to propose that Edelbrock either create a TBI power package or a TPI conversion kit power package that would include your high-flow baseplate and runner.

The TBI power package should include a cam, new heads, a new throttle body, a matching intake, and of course a custom chip to make this all work. The cam should be made to provide a slight lope at idle and run about a 2000-6000 RPM power band. The new heads should be compatible with the 305’s smaller bore, should require no machining to install, maintain decent compression, and should come assembled with all but the rocker arms. These heads should also accept self-aligning rocker arms and centerbolt as well as perimeter bolt valve covers. The new throttle body should come with injectors, should flow at least equal to if not better than Holley’s 670 CFM, and should hook right up to the stock GM electronics. The intake should have the neccessary vacuum ports for a trouble free installation, and should have the same bore as the throttle body and should perform well enough so it does not develope a bad reputation like your other TBI intake manifold has. When all is said and done, this power package should put out at least 275 hp, if not more. This kind of horsepower will allow those of us with TBI to play with those 5.0 Mustangs that are running around taunting us at every stop light.

Edelbrock’s second option would be to provide a TPI conversion kit much like Accel’s kit, except Edelbrock should go one step further and provide a TPI power package. This kit would need to include new heads, cam, and intake just like the TBI power package but this kit must also come with all the sensors, injectors, computer, wiring harnesses, and intake baseplate and runners that are necessary for a complete TPI conversion.

Finally I would like to give Edelbrock a reason why they should spend time on us. This reason is simply money. There are many TBI guys out there who do not want to spend $3000 on a TPI conversion from Accel, are partial to TBI anyway because of it’s looks, and even with the $3000 conversion from Accel they still run into the head problems listeed above. There is a serious market gap for aftermarket TBI products, and I feel that if Edelbrock came out with a power package and marketed it directly at third generation Camaro owners, Edelbrock would find it more than profitable. I find it hard to believe so many products have been developed and marketed towards TBI trucks and nothing has been done to the TBI Camaro. Camaros are sports cars and therefore many owners like to tinker with them, more so than a truck I would think.

Ultimately I would to hear back from Edelbrock, if not with a serious consideration for this power package, than with an explanation as to why Edelbrock will not support us third generation Camaro owners. This message has been posted on the Thirdgen.org, a Camaro website devoted especially to third generation Camaros and it currently has about 5300 members.

Sincerely,


Jason Armentrout

 

Put camaro/firebird We need it too.

------------------
Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI (dropping in a 355 summer of "01")
ASCD Ram Air Hood-3" custom exaust-Flowmaster 80 Series-No Cat-Edelbrock TES Headers (coated)-March Pulleys-TBI Spacer-K&N Open ELement-TransGo Shift Kit-B&M Supercooler 28,000 GVW-Hypertech Thermomaster-160 Stat-3:42 GM Gears-Auburn Posi Unit-Edlebrock Strut Tower Brace-MSD Superconducters-Accel Cap & Rotor
-Rapidfire Plugs-Pablo's Free Mods-265/50/R15 Tires-Emmison's all Gone

http://hometown.aol.com/J007Golden/index2.html

 

"Ultimately I would to hear back from Edelbrock, if not with a serious consideration for this power package, than with an explanation as to why Edelbrock will not support us third generation Camaro owners."

By any chance, would you be missing the words "like" or "appreciate it". I know my English teacher would shoot me for the one.
The rest sounds good man.

 

Thanks for the editing Soulbounder, I just wrote it out real quick to get my thoughts down.

91Bird305, I will be sure to include Firebirds in the revised addition.

Ultimately the ending will be changed to reflect the outpouring of support, or lack there of, from fellow TBI'ers on Thirdgen.org

Jason

 

Here is a copy of draft #2, I would appreciate your comments on what you think is good AND bad about it.

I'm also considering removing the secondary TPI suggestion, as I feel that would be extremely expensive and out of the question for Edelbrock. Besides, I kinda like TBI =)

MOST IMPORTANTLY, I would like to know how many of you would be interested in this power package if Edelbrock developed it. If no interest is shown, I will reflect that in the letter, if interest is shown, that will be reflected as well.

Anyways, here is DRAFT #2:

Dear Edelbrock:

I am writing to you on behalf of all third generation Camaro and Firebird owners who were cursed with Throttle Body Injection (TBI) from the factory. The factory L03 engines, which are 305s equipped with TBI, are rated at about 170 hp. This is extremely low for a small block V8. There are a consideral amount of people who own these third generation Camaros/Firdbirds equipped with the L03 engines and are looking for performance upgrades for them. Surprisingly, aftermarket support for our cars is very hard to find. There are two main grievances we have with the aftermarket products currently available.

The first and most agravating reason for the 305 being hard to modify is it’s fuel injection. The stock TBI is said to flow about 400 CFM, which is a horsepower restriction in itself. The only company currently producing aftermarket TBIs is Holley. There replacement TBIs have developed a bad reputation amongst third gen owners. They are said to be prone to injector failure, improper instructions, running rich, as well as computer problems after installation. These were developed by Holley for GM truck applications and are hard to implement on a Camaro. Furthermore, there are no aftermarket TBI intake manifolds suitable for a sports car with TBI. Your Edelbrock TBI manifold is suited to trucks, which need low end torque and little power at the top end. This manifold has developed a bad reputation amongst Camaro owners for it’s inability to make power where it’s needed most. Holley also makes a Projection TBI manifold with 2” bores that will fit their replacement TBI, but this manifold has developed a bad reputation as well.

The second reason Camaros/Firebirds are hard to modify is there head design. The 305 heads that came on the L03s had combustion chambers that were about 54.5 cc in volume which provided about 9.5:1 compression with the stock pistons. Not only did these heads have smaller combustion chambers than most 350 heads, and even World Products S/R Torquer 305 heads which feature 58 cc combustion chambers, they were made to fit the smaller bore of the 305. Even though it is possible to make 350 heads work with the 305’s smaller bore, it’s difficult to do so. For one the heads usually must be milled to reduce there combustion chamber volume, special low thickness gaskets must be used to increase compression, and high lift cams are out of the question due to valve-to-bore clearance with the larger valves. Even though the 305s smaller bore limits valve size, there is still a lot of performance that can be squeezed out of these engines.

Many of us third gen owners like TBI because of the old style look. With the air cleaner on the engine, it appears to look like a carbureator and looks a lot cleaner than a Tuned Port Injection (TPI) setup. TBI is also a little simpler than TPI, and it requires less modification on the car to install. I would like to propose that Edelbrock either create a TBI power package or a TPI conversion kit power package that would include your high-flow baseplate and runner.


The TBI power package should include a cam, new heads, a new throttle body, a matching intake, and a custom chip to make this combination work. The cam should be made to provide good street driveability and run about a 2000-6000 RPM power band. The new heads should be compatible with the 305’s smaller bore, should require no machining to install, maintain decent compression, and should come assembled with all but the rocker arms. These heads should also accept self-aligning rocker arms and centerbolt as well as perimeter bolt valve covers. The new throttle body should come with injectors, should flow at least equal to if not better than Holley’s 670 CFM, and should hook right up to the stock GM electronics. The intake should have the neccessary vacuum ports for a trouble free installation, and should have the same bore as the throttle body and should perform well enough at high RPMs so it does not develope a bad reputation like your other TBI intake manifold has. When all is said and done, this power package should put out at least 275 hp, if not more. This kind of horsepower will allow those of us with TBI to play with those 5.0 Mustangs that are running around taunting us at every stop light.

Edelbrock’s second option would be to provide a TPI conversion kit much like Accel’s kit, except Edelbrock should go one step further and provide a TPI power package. This kit would need to include new heads, cam, and intake just like the TBI power package but this kit must also come with all the sensors, injectors, computer, wiring harnesses, and intake baseplate and runners that are necessary for a complete TPI conversion.

Finally I would like to give Edelbrock a reason why they should spend time on us. This reason is simply money. There are many TBI owners out there who do not want to spend $3000 on a TPI conversion from Accel, are partial to TBI anyway because of it’s looks, and even with the $3000 conversion from Accel they still run into the head and cam problems listeed above. There is a serious market gap for aftermarket TBI products, amd given the availability of TBI cars I do not understand the lack of support. I feel that if Edelbrock came out with a power package and marketed it directly at third generation Camaro/Firebird owners, Edelbrock would find it more than profitable. This is going to become even more important when GM cancels the Camaro and more than likely the Firebird after the 2002 model year. After this loss in the American sports car market, those who would like a sports car and cannot afford the Corvette will have to look to used Camaros and Firdbirds. Many of these used cars will be TBI, and many owners will be looking for power for these cars. Edelbrock can fill this gap in the market and earn considerable profits during the course. Not to mention Edelbrock will be held in high regard among a wide range of third gen owners.

This letter was also posted on Thirdgen.org, a web site devoted especially to third generation Camaros/Firebirds. The web site currently has approximately 5300 members. I would very much appreciate a reply from Edelbrock. The TBI owners on Thirdgen.org are curious to hear what Edelbrock has to say to our request for support, and any reply received will be passed along through Thirdgen.org.

 

My honest opinion?

There are plenty of products for our cars, the market is OVERFLOWING with products for our cars.. Why does it seem like we dont have any products? because SOOOO many products can be adapted to our cars its really quite pointless to prepackage something specifically for our cars. At best i can see edelbrock putting together a performer package that includes a chip for various mods but so many of us wont pay what they want, and so many of us know that we can b uild our OWN "package" that its really pointless for them to do so especially in such a specific market. Especially when they will have to get CARB approval of it to make it a viable product (i believe its a pretty expensive andtime consuming process)

As for TPI conversion kits, thats a waste of time! dont you see TPI going the way of the dodo bird? Why waste time on a GM style injection system designed for a 305 cubic inch motor? Why would anyone want to have one still and be willing to pay the same price that these same companies charge for full on MPFI single plane conversions that blow TPI away in performance potential. TPI is no better than TBI, they just excell in different areas, there is no "Magic" injection system thats just downright false

I honestly cannot think of one thing I need that is TBI specific, My fuel pressure regulator is an external, can be used on any car, my fuel pump is just a generic high pressure unit, the fuel line plumbing is just simple autoparts store material. .what more is there? My cam is just a generic grind, 214/224 112 headers are from a 350 TPI camaro and so is the catback (no sense in using the tbi headers and catback they are restrictive)
my manifold is a carburetor manifold with an adapter plate for the tbi that anyone can make, the aircleaner is just a standard peice at any auto parts store.

the cylinder heads are one of the best GM 305 castings and have been ported, but you have world torquers, L98 Aluminum heads, Vortec, and so many more to choose from although, to me its just senseless to waste money on heads when you are working with a bore that simply wont allow great flow from great heads because of valve shrouding problems, not to mention giving up 45 ci to an engine far far more common in the performance world. Its just dumb to me (I did NOT rebuild my 305, i found it in a parts car i picked up for 500 dollars which i promptly made back selling parts from)

I dont see what you guys are complaining about, you should be celebrating that we have an ABUNDANCE of options for our cars. I sure am, i think too many hot rodders get trapped into thinking "Inside of the box" There is so much more you can do when you stop thinking that you NEED some company to make a part for you to do anything. Take TPI for example, everyone thinks you NEED an aftermarket base, you NEED runners you NEEd a new throttle body etc etc when i have seen people with good ol fashioned ingenuity totally debunk those myths with a little bit of creativity and some work. I learned long ago in hot rodding that Im happy to have learned relatest to life in general, and that is that you cant sit around waiting for people to do things for you you have to go out and do it for yourself and if someone else does it along the way and you benefit from it then great. In the mean time, while you are waiting for these great powerpackages to appear, Ill be enjoying the lope of my healthy cam, and smoking mustangs left and right with my stock throttle body equipped firebird with GM cast iron heads, 40 dollar flat tappet cam, used headers, and junkyard 3.42 open rear, all built without me even having a steady job with my own money


no flame intended, i just think you guys.. no ALL of us would be soooo much ahead if we just started doing this on our own instead of waiting for it to happen, because im sure you all are quite capable of figuring out all sorts of tips and tricks that can benefit us all if you are willing to look for them

Pablo



[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited October 05, 2000).]

 

Yes Pablo, there are plenty of products for our cars, when you're talking about a small block Chevy with a 350 or 383, anything with a 4"+ bore.

As far as your MPFI, I like Edelbrocks idea that they marketed towards trucks. BUT, it still uses the stock TB which only flows around 400 CFM!! Super Chevy put this on a truck and they only gained about 20 HP! Why? Because it used the stock throttle body. I'd like to see you come up to anybody at the drag strip and tell them to put a 400CFM carb on there, they'dprobably laugh.

How can you look over that and not criticize it? A V8 that makes 170 hp is down right embarassing, and I don't see how you can defend that. In fact all of GM's TBI products seriously lacked in HP, even the 454SS trucks.

What I'm trying to get at I guess, is that building a 350 is far easier as far as parts go, especially cylinder heads. And you're statment about the abundance of parts for our cars is false, there is an abundance for 350s, or at least cars with 4+" bores.

Even if I was building a 350 with great cylinder heads (Air Flow Research are in my build plans), than what am I gonna do with the stock fuel injection? It'd be very difficult to come up to my 400 hp level which is where I wanna be seeing that I drag race at MIR on Friday nights occasionally.
Does anybody out there think I can squeeze 400 hp out of a 305 w/ the stock TBI? Or even out of a 350 with the stock TBI?
I'd be happy if Edelbrock simply came out with a TBI that flow better than the stock one. This part is such a bottle neck in the engine, it's pointless to build a TBI engine for serious performance,

Just some thoughts,

Jason

 

Edelbrock already has TBI performance parts/package available for both the 4.3 and the 5.0/5.7. The performer TBI manifold,TES #6875 specifically for TBI cars, The LG4 cam is also listed as a TBI specific cam as well. As for heads,the market is full of various brands to choose from and since Edelbrock seems to make aluminum heads exclusively they would most likely be pricey. The reason you don't see these parts listed for Camaro and Firebird is that they are under the GM truck listings. Since the engines are the same as truck engines why list the parts twice. Get yourself an Edelbrock catalog and take a look.
This is not meant to dis your efforts,but this would probably be the response Edelbrock would send.


------------------
Mongoose-NCTGA-1990 Pontiac Formula/305 TBI-700R4 with Edelbrock Performer TBI intake,TES headers,and STB,K&N,MSD-6AL,Holley laser shot coil,Accel Extreme 9000 wires,Jet Stage 2 chip,TCI shift kit with corvette servo,Richmond 3.73 gear with Auburn 3 series posi,no cat,SLP 3" cat back,Eibach sportline springs,Energy Suspension poly throughout,Lakewood LCA and adjustable panhard bar package,SSM subframe connectors,IROC wonder bar,Tokico 5 way adjustable struts and shocks,Autometer electric fuel pressure gauge,Alpine,JL Audio,MB Quart,92 GTA taillights,92 GTA aero wing and hatch,Steve Spohn LCA relocater kit,MacEwen White face gauges,84 T/A cold air induction air cleaner.

 

Mongoose, the cam is not a roller cam and the combustion chamber is either 64CC or 70CC. This will seriously lower compression and a piston change would most likely be needed.

Most importantly, the stock TBI unit is still present. Traco once made a TBI power package that made about 285 hp with the stock TBI. This package included L98s, milled to provide the proper compression, and custom grind cam, and an Edelbrock Carb intake with a TBI adapter. I can almost gurantee the TBI was what was holding this power combo back. 285 hp out of l98 heads, cam, intake, and a full exhaust is not good at all.

Jason

[This message has been edited by 89BlwnRs (edited October 06, 2000).]

 

Instead of just CAMARO put Camaro/Firebird in there. I still agree with Jason.

Ethan

[This message has been edited by ethan71 (edited October 06, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by ethan71 (edited October 06, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by ethan71 (edited October 06, 2000).]

 

no flames intended here i just dont think you know of whats out there

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited October 06, 2000).]

 

Not sure but pretty sure that the 1-5/8 OEM TBI flows about 500cfm, not 400... And I'll be you that a person can get 300 hp out of a 1-5/8" bore TBI...

[This message has been edited by FastBroker (edited October 06, 2000).]

 

Actually the stock throttle body is 1 11/16"

and if it doesnt flow 400 cfm then why does holley sell a throttle body for 4.3L motors with 1 11/16" bores touting its airflow of 400 cfm

By my calculations using area of the throttle plates of a GM 454 TBI which is known to flow 670 cfm, a carter AFB carbs maximum venturi diameter (not accounting for area taken up by throttle shafts, boost venturi, etc) which is known to flow 625 cfm, as reference points i calculated airflow from the % difference in area for the throttle body with 48mm throttle blades at something like 560 cfm, and with the stock 1 11/16" blades at 430 cfm which is damn close to what holley claims considering i didnt take into account width of the throttle shafts or throttle plates or airflow lost because of the injectors over the bore. I would be surprised if it did flowbench at over 500 cfm but i dont think that will happen. It would mean my 305 is making some brutal power and some extremely high volumetric efficiency numbers being that I pull 1 full inch of vacuum by 4800 rpm at WOT and nearly 2 inches by 5800 rpm.


Pablo

 

BTw i know there is the issue of what inHg the tbi unit and the carter were flowed at and because the carter had less airflow area by around the same % difference in advertized airflow I assumed it either didnt make much of a difference or they both were flowed at the same pressure drop of 1.5inhg

not very scientific i know, but I just dont see the stock throttle body flowing that much

 

Damn Pablo, seems to me you're starting to take this a little personally. You've somehow managed to bring 350s into this, which is not what this discussion is about. I agree that if money was available, a 350 swap would be ideal, not only for the 45 more cubes but simply because of the larger bore. BUT for some of us this is out of the question.

You're statement that everybody swaps out 305s is wrong, most of the thirdgens out there are 305s. Anybody with enough money can swap a 350 in. I'm a college student, and an engine swap would cost a lot more than simply throwing on a good pair of heads, an intake, cam and TB. Why you ask? First and formost I don't have the tools to pull an engine, but I can change all the components listed above for no labor charge.

And most importantly, you're still trying to defend the TBI. You were being sarcastic when I mentioned putting on a 400 CFM carb. This really sucks, and I've heard plenty of **** said about the Holley truck TBI's, which if you actually read my letter, was the point of trying to get Edelbrock to help us out.

You being the moderator I'm sure you've read all these posts too, about injector leakage, injectors not working, the units coming with the wrong injectors, not to mention wrong instructions.

I mean really, don't be sarcastic, and I want you to recommend a build plan using street legal heads/intake (must support EGR) and a cam, and full exhaust is already installed, that will bring my my car up to 275-300 hp. If you think that there are parts available for a 305 to do this w/ no power adder, then I'll drop the letter.

Otherwise, regardless of what you think, there are plenty of people with 305s who are looking for performance, even if we are starting off "cursed" with a 400 CFM TBI and a smaller bore. I'm the kinda guy that will step up to the challenge and not go the easy way and swap to a 350. Plus I don't want my bro w/ a 5.0 saying that I beat him b/c of the bigger engine. Yeah the 305 is bigger than 302, but he can't argue that.

My suggestion to Edelbrock was to give 305 TBI'ers a clear path in the aftermarket. You obviously favor 350s, so I don't see why you're so against it. Edelbrock came out with a power package for trucks, so why wouldn't they do it for sports cars like the Camaro. (The lg4 package suxs). They did it for the Mustangs. And don't come back saying b/c their 305s either, that's what I'm suggesting to Edelbrock is that there are a lot of 305s out there with people looking for parts. Not all of us have your great "wisdom" and if Edelbrock spoke out, I'm sure they'd see some orders. Especially if it was on the line of 275+ HP. That's what I'd like to see, would anybody else like to throw down $2500 for an extra 100 hp or more?

Jason

[This message has been edited by 89BlwnRs (edited October 07, 2000).]

 

I am glad you are doing this . Add me to the list. I would like to keep it simple and
get them to provide a good TBI Intake power package that could be done in stages for the 305 and the 350 engine. A TBI intake manifold with 2" bores that is a TRUE BOLT on, A 2" TBI unit with the correct injectors for the application, a cam for the application and a chip. For example, they could make the manifold, TBI unit, Cam
maybe heads and a chip that were all dynoed
and proven to work. I know they make headers so no big deal there. After being on this board for a while and looking at the number of people with these TBI cars that want to
improve them, I think the manufacturers a missing a big market and we are having to experiment and cobble a lot of s*** together. Maybe their marketing guys will agree with us if you send this letter and
put something together. Good luck......bob



------------------
91 camaro RS convert
t-5
open element air cleaner
TBI spacer
Flowmaster muffler

 

No im not taking it personally or getting angry.. sorry if it came across that way i always seem to exaggerate emotions when im typing.
275-300 hp is a peice of cake in my opinion

if you really want to use 305 specific parts, heres what i would do, get some 305 Vortec heads (not sure on their combustion chamber size so milling may be neccessary)
Lt4 Hot Cam
and the edelbrock vortec specific Victor Junior single plane
Holley 2" or 454 TBI (ill touch on the issue of holley tbis in a second)
full exhaust.. be it TES or hooker or whatever. Not the TBI specific exhaust systems they are weak.
if auto, a 2500 stall converter
3.42 or 3.73 rear gears
and, definately some custom programming

now about the holley, there have been problems with the chrysler injectors holley provides with their units, and I personally would not use them. Everything else, I have not heard any bad things about or anything that would cause any real problems. The solution is to just use your GM injector pod on the holley tbi. As i understand it some bolt holes need to be elongated and that is all to make it work. All you are aiming for is to let more air in the motor with the holley or the GM 454 tbi unit

with proper programming, that combo will easily surpass 300 hp id guess in the neighborhood of around 325 or so. All parts that are easily available


Pablo

 

Dude, Pablo, leave him alone. Hey man, send the letter. It sounds great and you right. I think it would be a great idea and we need that kind of stuff for people who want to stick with TBI. Having them make something that can handle up to 500hp would be a great idea. Cause anything really past 400hp I would not even touch TBI for it. I don't care who says they can get it to work, its a hassle. Thats why people swap to carb.

------------------
Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI (dropping in a 355 summer of "01")
ASCD Ram Air Hood-3" custom exaust-Flowmaster 80 Series-No Cat-Edelbrock TES Headers (coated)-March Pulleys-TBI Spacer-K&N Open ELement-TransGo Shift Kit-B&M Supercooler 28,000 GVW-Hypertech Thermomaster-160 Stat-3:42 GM Gears-Auburn Posi Unit-Edlebrock Strut Tower Brace-MSD Superconducters-Accel Cap & Rotor
-Rapidfire Plugs-Pablo's Free Mods-265/50/R15 Tires-Emmison's all Gone

http://hometown.aol.com/J007Golden/index2.html

 

Custom progammng would be a problem for most people and would not help a car pass emmisons. It seems to me the main problem is the computer in our cars...

 

Send the letter dude,
Add my name to the list if needed. I agree there are alot of parts that you can jerry rig to our 305's but it would be nice to have a package. A power package like this would be nice because it would actually be dyno tested and flowbench tested. Which seems to be a problem on our board nobody is positively sure what each mod will give you.

If edelbrock came out with a new TBI and some custom tuning I would be first in line.

 

I just noticed that this topic is really old, like 2 years. Anything ever come of this?

Just wondering.

 

I'd like to add my name to the list...

 

WOW, a really old topic and just as stupid today as it was back then.

 

i have to agree with evil t/a on this one completely. i am gonna shut down this thread because the issue of getting 300hp out of a 305 has been gone over about a million times. it can easily be done and does not require wild amounts of money or work.
i like th eidea of a letter to an aftermarket company to see if you can get them to put a littl emore development into the injection system than just slapping together a few part numbers from their existing catalog.
i must say that it is a very long shot at this point though. it was an overlooked induction platform at its peak production, unlike tpi which had a strong following before it left production line.
i woudl encourage anybody to try to get the after market to support anything related to f-bodies, tbi, tpi, or carb.

later
tim