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Old Aug 13, 2001 | 07:05 PM
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1.6 or 1.5 Rockers?

Which is better for a LO3 with a stock cam, 1.5 ratio which I have now or 1.6 ratio?
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Old Aug 13, 2001 | 07:30 PM
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1.6 of course. Jegs has some. $191 last I checked for steel roller self aligning 1.6 versions. www.jegs.com

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Old Aug 14, 2001 | 12:18 AM
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yea 1.6 itel raise the lift on the cam a little which is must needed with the peanut cam that the lo3 has
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Old Aug 14, 2001 | 01:15 AM
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Or you could save money and get a LT1 camshaft.

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Old Aug 16, 2001 | 01:42 AM
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if you have the lt1 cam and put 1.6 roller rocker along with it will that make even more of a difference?for the better..
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Old Aug 16, 2001 | 02:21 PM
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The higher lift helps with larger intake flow heads. The swirl port stock heads are crap and the larger lift isn't going to make much difference. It's still an improvement but I wouldn't waste time with the stock Lo3 unless it had a different cam and all the other bolt ons. The Lo3 bottom end has flat top pistons so that's good but the heads are the REAL problem with these engines. Almost half of the intake runner is covered to create a "swirl" (less air, velocity design). Personally I think it's a waste to do anything other than an LT1 cam swap and headers. If you plan on changing the rocker arms, cam and already have the open element and exhaust work then the best step would be some cheap heads like vortec or vette heads. Ask NJSpeeder (hangs out more on the camaroz28 board) and he'll tell you the same thing. He's got edelbrock heads, intake, milled TB unit, exhaust and 1.6 rockers with stock cam. The stock cam with larger lift works great with the new heads but don't think you'll feel much of a difference with just getting 1.6 rockers and keeping those stock heads.
Basically I'm trying to say that the cam shouldn't be a major focus for all TBI guys. First look at the rear diff, cheap good intake and exhaust, then figure what gains you would get from doing more serious work.
Do you have gears and posi yet? If not I would recommend them before any engine work.
If you got the money go for it but understand that rocker arms aren't going to make a noticable difference.
Another option is a cheap rebuilt 350. A lot of guys think this is out of their league but it isn't as hard as it sounds and I'm proof that it doesn't cost all that much.
With a cam swap you need to remove radiator and do a LOT of work just to get to the stage of removing the cam (drop oil pan, take off waterpump, balancer, etc.) when an engine swap is: Unbolt engine from tranny, disconnect everything (don't forget fuel lines), support engine with cherry picker, unbolt engine mounts (2 bolts!) and lift out carefully. Unbolt all the accesories and swap it on the new engine and drop that back in. You could do an engine swap in 1 week and for $2000! If you figure the hp to dollar ratio and figure you would spend the same time doing a cam swap but that would require you to dismantel half the engine anyways! Just food for thought, take it or leave it but saving for the 350 swap has to be the most rewarding thing I've done.
BTW, it was my first engine swap ever.

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Old Aug 18, 2001 | 12:03 PM
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Jprevost: I would like to swap to a 350 next summer, can you give any tips for what to look for when buying a used one? Will it pass a sniffer test and could you maybe explain how you would go about connecting it back to the tranny? Thats really the only concerns I have about it...

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Old Aug 18, 2001 | 12:04 PM
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One more thing: Did you reuse the stock wiring harness and computer or did you have to get that out of the 350 also?

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Old Aug 18, 2001 | 01:07 PM
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Check out the engine swap pages. I have a table on the cost and parts. The car will run with all the 305 TBI stuff except the knock sensor! You need to replace that but everything else just hooks right up to the new engine. It cost me around $3000 to do the whole swap and it was well worth it.

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