TBI Throttle Body Injection discussion and questions. L03/CFI tech and other performance enhancements.

'90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-06-2008, 12:54 AM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
spartans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
'90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

Put L98 heads and comp offroad cam in my '90 K5 Blazer 350 TBI and can only get it to idle with the black/tan wire connector unplugged. When it is plugged in it starts but backfires violently through the intake and exhaust and dies. Base timing is set between 0 and 4 deg. Any ideas?
Old 02-06-2008, 09:44 AM
  #2  
Moderator

iTrader: (1)
 
RBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Chasing Electrons
Posts: 18,401
Likes: 0
Received 215 Likes on 201 Posts
Car: check
Engine: check
Transmission: check
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

I venture a guess that it is either the ignition module, ECM, or wiring in-between (also includes the connectors) that is bad. By plugging the EST BYPASS connector back together it places the timing under control of the ECM. Part of this entails the ignition module doing it properly.

First check the wiring and connectors, then if you have a known good distributor swap that in.

RBob.
Old 02-10-2008, 09:38 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
spartans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

I metered out the wires between module and ecm and they all checked out fine. I also swapped out the ecm and module with known good units and still the same results. It idles okay with the timing connector disconnected ( not the smoothest but it runs ). When I try to start it with the connector connected it sputters and shoots flames or just fuel out the intake and will backfire out the exhaust. Is it possible the pick up is shot? The way I see it, the fact it runs with the EST BYPASS connector disconnected I would assume that the pickup is still telling the coil when to fire.
Old 02-10-2008, 10:15 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
slow_90firebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Manchester, CT + Nashua, NH
Posts: 1,461
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 90 Firebird Formula
Engine: LO3
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.08 one wheel peel
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

I am unexperienced in this stuff, but I am gonna venture a guess. Now, my car, if I unplug the EST wire, it idles real rough and lopes alot (completely stock). This is because the 20* or whatever advance isnt there. With the wire still disconnected, I can get the car to idle smooth by turning the dizzy way advanced off the tab. But then if you plug the wire in like that, the car wont run because the computer timing + the base timing would = like 50 or 60 degrees advance.

If for whatever reason your dizzy is not set at a base timing of 0*, you could be running alot more timing than you realize, causing the backfire I guess.

I am taking it for granted that you properly adjusted the base timing. However, I read that if the harmonic balancer has slipped, the timing mark can be way off.

Good Luck!
Old 02-25-2008, 05:12 PM
  #5  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
spartans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

I've got it running now. Turns out the pick-up was shot. Even though it metered out okay, ohms were within spec, and kept vehicle running with EST wire unplugged, when I replaced it with another it fired right up. The old one had lots of orange corrosion under the tin ring on the windings. After playing with the timing a bit ( cam wants lots of advance) it runs pretty good. Had to drill out min idle cover and adjust to keep it running. Idles about 1100 in neutral and 800 in gear. Any lower and it stalls in gear. Thanks for the help. Hope this thread may be of assistance to someone else sometime.
Old 06-14-2010, 03:20 AM
  #6  
Supreme Member

 
Randy82WS7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: 62656
Posts: 4,812
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 S10 pickup 2700lbs
Engine: 4.3L Z TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.08 7.625"
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

whats vacuum guage reading?

and how dos the needle act?

steady?

movments?
Old 09-25-2018, 04:08 PM
  #7  
Junior Member
 
Danny Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

What do you mean the pick up is shot? I followed everything else along except that. I mean you got the truck running so it wasn't shot, but what is, I'm having exact same issues and don't know how to fix it.
Old 09-25-2018, 04:33 PM
  #8  
Sponsor

iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,408
Received 649 Likes on 573 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged

Old dead thread !
pickup coil is in the distributor

https://easyautodiagnostics.com/gm/4...ed-icm-tests-1
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
MustangBeater20
TBI
11
10-29-2022 09:20 PM
specialized
TPI
27
06-18-2022 09:26 AM
theshackle
Tech / General Engine
4
09-17-2020 08:26 AM
Wade787b
TPI
2
09-29-2015 01:15 PM
killer777
Tech / General Engine
0
08-08-2015 02:47 PM



Quick Reply: '90 350 TBI only starts 'n' idles with set timing connector unplugged



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25 PM.