Hey guys, I have a 14x3 edelbrock open element air cleaner on my camaro, I bought it at autozone and it didn't say if it was a drop base or non-drop base on the box, it ended up being a drop base so I couldn't remove that gold spacer ring around the TBI unit, does anyone know if the just sell the base for it? I'd rather not spend another $40 on a new one if I can just buy a non-drop (flat) base for it, but before I spend money on that, will taking that ring off really make as much of a difference as people say?

Thanks for the help guys

 

what do you mean by

"will taking the ring off make as much of a difference as people say"

If you are looking for performance gains please stop right there.

You have an open air element. It looks cool, nobody notices that the spacer is still there and the engine now breathes a little better.

If you don't have headers and a y pipe that should be next. After that, don't even bother trying for more. With the heads and cam that are in these engines just be happy with what you have and work on appearances of the vehicle.

 

To answer your question. Yes it helps a little. Pretty negligible (sp?) But no problems running it. the condition your engine is in doesnt really warrant needing every available CFM of air. you already upgraded one of the worst parts for performance on the engine. Get to the headers and y pipe like torque said and you'd be really happy

 

"will taking the ring off make as much of a difference as people say"

https://www.thirdgen.org/ultimatetbi

Apparently it's "The ultimate" mod

 

UnderCover- I know I should get headers and a y pipe and all that stuff everyone else talks about, but I don't have the time or the money for it right now, so I'm just trying to get the most outta my engine for right now, but the open element definitely helped a lot, so that's why I think taking that ring off will help a lot too, because you can see that it restrictes half of the air flow

 

Yeah. I dont blame ya for getting rid of it. Your parts store wont let you order a flat base air cleaner? then you can return your drop base assembly? I know my local parts store would.

 

Well, after I installed it I wasnt home for the rest of the day, so the next day I was goin to return it for another one, but my dad threw out the box, and it was garbage day so it was already gone, so I couldn't return it, but I can order one from them, but why buy a full one when I could just buy the base? And would you mind taking a look at my other post that's in the tech/general board?

 

Allot of people run the drop base so they can use the 3in.filter element or taller. The ring simply keeps the bottom of the base off the linkage. If you decide to keep the drop base be sure to rap the coil wires with lumen closest to the bottom of the lid and maybe some electrical tape on the bottom of the base closest to the coil. All of that is to keep the coil from grounding on the bottom of the lid. Its just a precaution.Other than that you should be fine.If you end up getting a cowl hood you will be able to use the X-Stream filter top and that should help even more.There are countless persons using a drop base filter element housing with the ring in place including myself. As stated above the difference with or with out is minuscule. The most important part is running the open element in conjunction with the full exhaust.Also already mentioned by persons in this thread.Just thought Id add my

 

Well the problem is that with the drop base, I have to keep the ring there, or else it sits completely crooked, so with a non-drop (flat) base, I should be able to remove that ring, have no clearance issues, and probably out a 14x4 in filter in

 

Yup.

 

I dont think you'll be able to run a 4 inch element still. the only reason you can run the 3 inch now is because of the drop base. a flat 3 inch might fit still. but I run a 6 inch air cleaner with a 2.5 cowl (thats what they advertise, more like 3) and i barely clear the hood. im talking like 1/16th of inch. haha.

 

But taking that spacer off would give me another 1" or 1 1/2" of room, right?

 

correct, but im pretty sure a flat bottom base would hit the linkages for the throttle etc. the base is raised a little so it clears fine.

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G3000B Could replace the base.

 

I'm looking for a flat base though, it already is raised with the spacer

 

It is a flat base, and it is a much better design then the edelbrock flat base.

 

Thomas the link you posted it says Base Style: Raised. The raise is only like 1/2 inch and it would be fine for your application Nagle. It unshrouds the injectors, that is like the base I have on my car. It clears all linkages and everything perfectly. I am just not sure you'd be able to run a 3 inch element for sure. But to kind of contradict although it does say raised. I still considered the a flat base. I dont think any base is truly flat.

 

Every flat base is raised around 1/2 in, like you just pointed out. If they were truly flat, they would not clear the trottle linkage, coil, distributer...

That base with a 3x14 in filter fits in firebirds too.

 

Oh ok, thanks for the link then, and undercover- if the 3" element doesn't fit, would it be better to go to a 2"? Or just leave it how it is right now

 

Yup. I was more saying all that to show Nagle good work buddy

 

didnt see this. Thomas just said that setup with a 3 inch filter clears a firebird. so it will clear a camaro too.

 

Ok, I'll order a base, if my 3" doesn't work, I'll just return it

 

I have a summit flat base and drop base AC with KN I will sell cheap.

 

I already ordered one, thanks anyways

 

Hey guys, my air cleaner doesn't fit anymore because the stud isnt long enough, can i buy a longer one?

 

yup your local auto parts store or orchard, home depot should offer a stud. but with stock tbi you need a longer stud with a curve in it. you can bend a stud yourself tho. so should not be much of a problem

 

With this type of cover http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G3003/ you can reuse the stock one.

 

That's a whole air cleaner. Not a cover.

 

Yes boy, that is the whole air cleaner. Not sure they sell the cover seperately, you should be able to figure out this detail by your self, if you are interested.

Now if you really get lost in your investigation, let me know, maybe I can help.

 

when i needed to extend my air cleaner stud with the stock style design. I used a union nut and then used a bolt to hold down the air cleaner into the union. the union screwed onto the stud, and the stud screwed into the tbi. worked perfectly!

 

Nagle Mac already ordered a brand new one SMARTA$$. Suggesting this other Air cleaner would have more helpfull 15 days ago. But this might be something I'll look into so I dont have to go through the hassle of messing with the stud. So thank you.

 

Hey you don't have to talk to Thomas that way man. He is trying to help. He probably missed the post about Nagle already buying a different air cleaner. Chill out!

 

I'm not mad at him. And yah he's just helping out, he just didn't have to be such as Smart A about it. But hay, takes one to know one.

 

You should not post things like that, makes you sound dumber then you probably really are.

That type of air cleaner cover on the summit aircleaner assembly is common, if you whant one you will find one.

 

[quote=thomas1976;5027274]You should not post things like that, makes you sound dumber then you probably really are.[quote]

Right back at yah.

 

Found this link to Auto Zone for the stud that may work for you = http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...mString=search
Careful working around the TBI injectors with small parts .You don't want any thing dropping in.I would use a high temp thread locking liquid/gel on any connections/couplers.Hope this helps some.If those wont work for you try a female to female coupling like this on the end of your stud.Just cut a piece of "all-thread" to the length you need and insert into the top of the coupling. Done.Basically what UnderCover89TBI said but with a picture.

 

Thanks Ron, I'll check that out, and I actually only ordered the base of the air cleaner, not the whole thing, I currently just have the top of the air cleaner upside down as a temporary fix

 

Good work Ron! I bought something like that but not as shiny at Orchard for a few bucks. ( they sold in packs of 2). worked good for the time being. Then I put this holley tbi unit and its stud is centered so then I went conventional stud and nut method