cross fire 350
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From: Erlanger, KY
Car: 1989 Iroc-z
Engine: 350 TPI
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cross fire 350
my friend has an 82 t/a with a 305 cfi. we are wanting to know if we can swap in a 350 short block in place of the 305 and still use all the stuff off the 305. will we have to make changes with the computer, injectors, or anything. can we use any corvette stuff to make these changes. any help will be great. thanks
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From: Timrå, Sweden
Car: 1984 Corvette
Engine: Turbo 350
Transmission: 4L80E with TCI T-Com
The 350 uses larger injectors.
This is the place for Cross-Fire info:
http://www.crossfire.webhop.net
This is the place for Cross-Fire info:
http://www.crossfire.webhop.net
With a little labor and not much money these Crossfires run with the TPIs. Given similar long blocks as LT1s, roller cam/alum heads, these crossfires are making over 300hp.
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Car: 1984 Corvette
Engine: Turbo 350
Transmission: 4L80E with TCI T-Com
Ok, perhaps I should not correct a moderator, but my G-tech time is very realistic. And I will take it to the track when I have the chanse. I was going this summer but they canceled that event.
This is my rwhp / rwtq graph:

rwtq: 350 lbs ft @ 3750 RPM
rwhp: 295 @ 5000 RPM
This picture might explain why ...
This is my rwhp / rwtq graph:
rwtq: 350 lbs ft @ 3750 RPM
rwhp: 295 @ 5000 RPM
This picture might explain why ...
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89WS-6,
Here's a dyno run of a naturally aspirated Xfire. These are chassis dyno numbers, of course.
Here's a dyno run of a naturally aspirated Xfire. These are chassis dyno numbers, of course.
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Originally posted by Drew
Anybody have any time slips for a fast CFI? fast meaning faster than TPI? I can think of a few TPI cars running 9's... any CFI cars running the same speeds?
BTW, talking **** with only a Gtech time is rediculous. Take the car to a strip or shut it.
Just another opinion, interpret it however you like.
Anybody have any time slips for a fast CFI? fast meaning faster than TPI? I can think of a few TPI cars running 9's... any CFI cars running the same speeds?
BTW, talking **** with only a Gtech time is rediculous. Take the car to a strip or shut it.
Just another opinion, interpret it however you like.
5 years ago running a 355 SBC, 3.42s, CC 270 cam, 95#/hr injectors, 36mm front bar, 19mm rear, full exhaust, Old BFGs ran mid 13s at 99.99 MPH, 747 ecm, my own chip.
Leaving at 800 RPM no power braking, ran 2.0 60's.
From a roll, it suprised alot of people, the lousy 1st gear in it prevented it from doing well at the strip.
Don't let the fact I'm a moderator stop anyone from posting their opinion. I might be wrong, but my opinion is that a person doesn't deserve to be labeled a troll for a single post that can only be interpretted as offensive if someone looks at it in completely the wrong light.
Just to clarify, I think CFI would be a cool setup IF it worked. Problem is that the design *in the fbody anyway* is so bad that the car can barely function around town. I will admit the Corvette setup is a better functioning design, but sadly it still doesn't pack a significant punch. I've had personal experiances with 84 Vettes that were slower than my bone stock 87 Iroc thats completely out of tune. So in my experiance to badmouth it a little isn't a huge deal, and if you guys really thought it was a good system you wouldn't let one little ribbing bother you so much.
Regardless I think CFI is in the same boat with the V6's and the TBI cars, until verifiable time slips show these cars running realistic times ranging in the same arena as TPI cars they aren't going to get any serious respect. The L98, LT1, and LS1 are all proven FI platforms, CFI has been around since 82? and still doesn't have any real following. Its not worth fighting over, just know that if you go a different road then other people that you should be prepared for criticism of varying degrees.
Just to clarify, I think CFI would be a cool setup IF it worked. Problem is that the design *in the fbody anyway* is so bad that the car can barely function around town. I will admit the Corvette setup is a better functioning design, but sadly it still doesn't pack a significant punch. I've had personal experiances with 84 Vettes that were slower than my bone stock 87 Iroc thats completely out of tune. So in my experiance to badmouth it a little isn't a huge deal, and if you guys really thought it was a good system you wouldn't let one little ribbing bother you so much.
Regardless I think CFI is in the same boat with the V6's and the TBI cars, until verifiable time slips show these cars running realistic times ranging in the same arena as TPI cars they aren't going to get any serious respect. The L98, LT1, and LS1 are all proven FI platforms, CFI has been around since 82? and still doesn't have any real following. Its not worth fighting over, just know that if you go a different road then other people that you should be prepared for criticism of varying degrees.
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Originally posted by Drew
I've had personal experiances with 84 Vettes that were slower than my bone stock 87 Iroc thats completely out of tune. So in my experiance to badmouth it a little isn't a huge deal, and if you guys really thought it was a good system you wouldn't let one little ribbing bother you so much.
I've had personal experiances with 84 Vettes that were slower than my bone stock 87 Iroc thats completely out of tune. So in my experiance to badmouth it a little isn't a huge deal, and if you guys really thought it was a good system you wouldn't let one little ribbing bother you so much.
The fact of the matter is that it hasn't been a little ribbing. The 84 Xfire has been the subject of pity by others in the Corvette community for a long time. And yet the 82 is coveted. Same motor.
Different body style. First and foremost it has been people like Bruce, Jonas, myself and members of the Crossfire Forum that believe the Xfire was dealt an unfair hand by the handicapping that came from the factory. And because of its limited run, we've had to come up with our own fixes rather than being able to pick up a catalog and "buy" our horsepower. So what to you seems to be a little ribbing is really a sorespot for a lot of us. And what we are trying to do is bring the respectability you are talking about.
Bruce ppointed the way for everyone, and I can supply you with my timeslips showing a 13.8@101.3mph with a 2.195 60' time. This was using the stock 3.07 rear with street tires at 35psi. As Bruce said, the hinderance in getting better times is putting that low-end torque to the ground. This isn't meant to be a rant. Its just that many of us think its time to clarify some of the "urban legends" about the Xfire that are spread out there by people who don't know what they're talking about
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Car: 1983 25th Anny Daytona 500 T/A
Engine: Stock...inoperative... 305
Transmission: Automatic
Originally posted by Drew
Just to clarify, I think CFI would be a cool setup IF it worked. Problem is that the design *in the fbody anyway* is so bad that the car can barely function around town.
Just to clarify, I think CFI would be a cool setup IF it worked. Problem is that the design *in the fbody anyway* is so bad that the car can barely function around town.
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Engine: 305
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Originally posted by Drew
Don't let the fact I'm a moderator stop anyone from posting their opinion. I might be wrong, but my opinion is that a person doesn't deserve to be labeled a troll for a single post that can only be interpretted as offensive if someone looks at it in completely the wrong light.
Don't let the fact I'm a moderator stop anyone from posting their opinion. I might be wrong, but my opinion is that a person doesn't deserve to be labeled a troll for a single post that can only be interpretted as offensive if someone looks at it in completely the wrong light.
That's what I was refering to by someone on their first post on the board to someone who has made several contributions on this site.
Not on the CFI system.
Everybody has their likes and dislikes. That's my opinion......
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