I heard that powerhouse has a 334 stroker kit that will gain me 150 hp just by pulling my engine and rebuilding it with their kit.

I also heard that those tornado air management systems worked wonders. You know, put it in the intake bellows. I think I saw 25hp. But then someone else said something about an open element air filter... what is that??

I also saw these things at one of the shops recently called a TBI spacer?? It said that it was ribbed on the inside bore of it to swirl the air and pull it in like a supercharger... Does anyone know if this will work? It claims 28hp to the rear wheels.

Im also thinking of some warlock headers and muffler. That should be good for like 15hp

So Im figuring...
stock 170hp
334 stroker + 150
tornado air system: +25
tbi spacer (this is easy bolt on right?) +28
warlock exhaust system +15 (with cutout)

So thats uh... 388hp? That ought to really burn the tires when I mash on the go pedal That should really get me 13's!! You think my T5 trans will hold up??

 

I'm speechless! Wow!
If that were the case everyone would have 388 HP 334 strokers!
However.... and seriously...
There are a lot of factors involved in making it go fast.
Read the messages in the sig...
It's not that simple.

 

Alright:

334 Stroker kit giving someone 150 hp - Maybe 20-35 at best.
The tornado , Its more likely to reduce your power than gain any. The drop base open air filament with a K&N may get you 5HP.

TBI spacers, not much to them either, you may get 1-2 HP if you are lucky.

Headers and muffler and full pipes will get you a good 20-30HP, though I've never heard of warlock, still probably better than stock though.

If you really want to make some power, there are 3 things you need to change:
Cam
Heads
Intake

Those three things(along with exhaust) will most likely get you into 13's, oh yeah, assuming you have at least 3.23 posi rear or better.

I hope to hit low 13's myself this summer with a 2001 SS rear, shift kit and: l
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cam, heads, intake, rearend, suspension, and exhaust if done right will get you into the 13s pretty easily. thats alot of work though. get an open element, and a cat back to start out with

 

13's can be done on a budget with a LO3
1. box rear control arms
2. relo brackets for control arms
3. posi w/3.73 gears
4. full exhaust- 1 5/8 headers w/ 3inch collectors, (2) 3inch into (1) 3inch y-pipe, 3inch high flow or !CAT pipe, and 3inch cat back
5. edelbrock performer tbi intake
6. LT1 or LT4 stock cam w/fresh springs
7. drop front sway bar at track
8. relocate battery to hatch(spare tire well is a good place to hide it)
9. air up front tires to 45-50 psi at track
10. some good tires, drag radials preferred, nitto's are cheap and last longer, bfg's hook harder but have a shorter life. ideal size is 275/50 15 or 245/50 16, both are 26inches tall so they will hook and not cost you any gear advantage. soem hoosier or m/t's street slicks are the ultimate, 26x9.5 is a great size.
11. do all of the ultimate tbi mods, afpr adn timign will be important.

soem other little things that will help a bit are a hotter ignition, switching to a traditional canister type coil is always good, poly tranny, torque arm and motor mounts help send more energy downthe drive lien instead of releasing it into the chassis, and sub frame connectors will help the car come out a bit more level and a little harder.

you can do all of this for less than the price of the stroker kit if you do your own work, even if you poay someone it will at most come to the same as teh rebuild with the stroker kit.

later
tim

 

Absolutely nothing you've said will get a LO3 into the 13s! The cam/exhaust may help, but the heads still suck. At best it would be a really consistant 15.0 second car... Man, some of you guys really don't get it, do you?

 

He knows what he's talking about. He's about to put a 305TBI into the 12's without nitrous! I bet with forged internals and a bigger cam and some great traction a 305 could run 12 flat or 11.9!
Sorry, it just makes me mad when people talk down about the L03. In stock form it sucks but with a couple grand you can fly

 

i can see a 13.9 pretty easily with that combo

 

how do you use a canister style coil in a LO3

 

good question.... I have an accel canister coil just collecting dust. How do you do it?

 

is it even possible?

 

hey biochem i am lookin to keep my 305 tbi and mod the hell out of it for everything i can get from it. if u are about to get into the 12's with a 305 tbi what mods do u have done? i am lookin for low 13's like 13.3 maybe. please list your mods cause i am lookin for all the help i can get. thanks man

 

don't listen to biochem, he is just some stroke with a carb motor running his uninformed mouth. hey bio....nice monster motor wow, a performer intake and heads, man twisting a small block to 5500 rpm...wow are you sure that thing is safe for the street...lol

what i listed is a legit combo to get you well into teh 13's. you won't see 13.3's with out heads though. if you wanna go that quick you may want a little more gear too, like 4.10's.
remeber one thing, et's are more about hook and gearign than about absolute power.
i willpost up pics of how to wire in the canister coil soon prolly. if you have an accel or msd box you can do it really easy, but you do need a box to do it.

later
tim

 

hey nj speedster wut do u think i could run with spohn lca's,spohn panhard rod,bmr bolt on relocation brackets,3.73 or woudl 4.10 be better? and the mods in my sig with a comp cams 206/210 @50 450/480 lift 112 lobe sep. and an edelborck tbi intake. also with that combo wut rpm do u think i coudl leave the line at without meltin them. and what would be safe i have a t5 tranny and a 9-bolt rear. thanks so much and if u woudl change my combo at all let me know. thanks man

 

heres my sig

 

it sounds like you are looking at a prety darn stout combo to me. with a stick car i woudl prolly use the 3.73's onl;y because any hook problems get exagerated when dumping the clutch, the extra torque multiplication of the 4.10's will likely be too much.
for hte "bolt on" brackets, this is something i am very weary of. the conrol arms, especially once the brackets lower teh attaching point on the rear, see a lot of load, i lean toward weld on brackets of any brand, i use teh steve spohn brackets my self.
you will have to mess with the launch rpm, start by dumping from aroudn 2500, if it bogs a little try to go a little more, if it spins to much try a little less. teh key is to find the balance between bog and spin that creates teh best 60' time. so you are gonna have to play aroudn to fidn the right spot.
good luck, you gotta let us know how it runs out.

later
tim

 

Yeah, I'm uninformed... It actually makes power to about 6200rpms, which is more than a stock headed TBI motor would ever make. Passing emissions is a concern of mine too... and yes it is a daily driver.

Someone once said that given enough money, you can make a turd do 13s. But after it is all said and done, it's still just a turd! For half the price, you can get a 350 into the 13s. For half the price, you could swap to a carb and get your 305 into the 13s. The TBI was made for trucks and the 305 was made for emissions... not speed. Maybe you'll break a 13.999999, but I wouldn't brag that I was in the 13s if that was the case.

The plain fact is that 305 heads suck and there isn't much anyone can do about it.

 

Its time for my now-annual Thirdgen.org post.

Can you get an LO3 in the 13's? Yes, you can do anything with enough money.

My question is why? The LO3 is so saddled with compromises and obstacles that its almost not worth it.

Lets examine some of the pitfalls of the LO3:

1. Induction. The TBI induction is a bastardized system comprised of carburetor style intake ports and fuel injection style metering. TBI is a wet-flow system, meaning fuel and air mixture flows through the intake ports, whereas in a multiport system only air must travel throught the ports until the injector and intake valve area is reached.

The drawback is that fuel has a tendency to drop out of the air/fuel mix in a wet-flow system. Add on top of that the fact that the TBI system was never meant to flow big amounts of air and you have mixture consistency problems. The A/F mixture can vary widely in a TBI engine from cylinder to cylinder. You're never going to get optimum atomization and mixture in each cyl.

2. The heads. TBI engines are equipped with what are referred to as swirl port heads. There is a cast-in swirl in the intake bowls meant to increase low-speed cylinder filling. Its great for torque boost at low-rpm (needed in TBI because it doesn't benefit from the torque production of multiport nor the long runners of TPI), but it flows like crap at higher RPMs. Add that on top of the comparatively tiny 1.84" intake valve and you have a recipie for not being able to breath at higher RPMS. All of this contributes to limiting the size cam you can effectively run with the stock TBI and get good cylinder filling. The dude above is thinking something with 206 intake duration. I would bet that is about the biggest cam you can hope to make power with on a stock headed TBI. IMO you are wasting your time putting cams in LO3s w/o getting a better set of heads, too.

This takes us back to the TBI itself. Bigger cams are hard to keep happy under a TBI in terms of driveability and idle quality. The ECM cannot keep up and without a MAF its harder for it to compensate for larger intake durations.

3. The 305. Yes, the 305 itself has a few drawbacks. The most obvious is that dollar for dollar a 350 always makes more power, 45 cubes = 15% more displacement = more air/fuel mixture = more power. Also, the small bore necessitates small combustion chambers which shrowd the valves, impeeding cylinder filling even more. Plus, there is the dreaded detonation problem GM never figured out. For some reason, the 305 has never been able to tollerate as much timing advance as a similar 350. There is some kind of inherent tendency to preignition they never did figure out.

My recommendation to LO3 owners would be to not upgrade/purchase mods that cannot be transferred to another engine. I wouldn't invest in cams and intakes, etc. etc. etc. I would do headers and a catback, gears, etc., and then just save until I could build a 350 on a stand while still driving the 305. Look at upgrading to TPI, the Edelbrock multipoint TBI upgrade, or step back in time and go carb. If none of the above suit you, then look at buying another car with a better powerplant.

I understand wanting to improve the car you own, my first F-body was an '85 LG4 Camaro sport coupe. I did waste my time putting in an Edelbrock cam, but two years later I substituted a budget 355 I built on the stand with money I made sacking groceries the summer after my junior year in college (spent $1500 total). You have to be able to realize when your basic platform for upgrades is worth the investment and when it isn't.

 

Just throw some slicks,gears,tranny stuff,some intake junk and fuel mods,exhaust and then throw on a NOS system and that will get ya into 13's. If the 305 blows, boohoo, get urself a bigger engine and keep ur other parts cause they will work fine with the 350 (or bigger) anyways since they have either nothing to do with the engine or are swappable to a 350 or larger) ie. (slicks,gears,tranny stuff, and fuel mods,exhaust and NOS system)

 

my thought on making a 305 into the 13s...I did it before with a 305 TPI 1LE car...it was easy but light on good tires and a crap load of practice.

anyways on a TBI car....I just hope its not your daily driver cause this would be my plan

rip out everything not needed, a/c, interior pieces, any extra weight. Add weld or BOgart wheels with slicks, add a big stall converter on a TH350, add some big gears like 4.10s, and a Wolfe Race Craft sway bar...maybe toss on some V6 front struts and shocks or cheap aftermarket drag stuff and see what happens, lift off hood, etc

should run 13s just cause it will launch real good and be real light. we are talking like 2800 or so with driver

then when you get tired of that, add a real engine combo and the car will be set with exception to the rear end but that will last a while on a foot braked TH350

 

you don't need to go to 6200 rpms to run 13's moron.
teh formula i proposed is perfectly emissions friendly too, so i don't see how that enters into it.
what on that list is so expensive or wild that it is not done to most every car that is hot rodded? gears? headers? cat backs?dropping the front sway at the track?
what about TBI do you find so offensive that you have to bag on TBI and 305's? the 305 was developed for economy(the idea being that less displacement needs less gas), big deal, so was the 302 originally, gm just took the time to turn that into a monster when it was needed to meet the TRANS/AM series rules for a max of 5liters of displacement(mid to lates 60's rules)
TBI was developed as an easy package for improved emissions and to move into fuel injection. it was not made for trucks, it was on compact cars for 5 years before it was even available in a truck or full size.
teh swirl port heads are perfectly acceptable to get moderate power out of, at least enough to run 13's with good hook.
if you say swirl ports are so bad how can you say switch to a carb? even if you swap the intake and TBI out you are still running through the same heads. you are such a moron you can't even keep your own stupid straight.
and if you know so much why aren't you mentioning that the stock 305 TBI cam is one of the smallest cams ever put in a chevy small block. if you really knew what you were talking about you would have to know that at least.

since it is becoming clear that you have nothing to offer here, how about doing all of us a favor and just go away. you have no tech to add, no basis for your claims, and you feel the need to dispute everything that we have already proven on this board.
just check back in a few months once teh summer gets rolling and a bunch of guys are runnign good numbers with these mods, adn when you see it just remeber, I TOLD YOU SO!

later
tim

 

Damn dude, you told him

 

Ran 13.9s with just adding 150 hit of nitrous and 3.73 gears in my '91 camaro. Oh, had M&H Racemasters on the car too. I'm sure with a free flowing intake and exhaust it would have dropped solidly in the 13s.

 

1. still no one saying "with enough money" has pointed out what part of this combo costs so much. what high priced parts are listed?
2. swirl port heads can flow enough air to make power to 5200rpm, it won't be the most power you can get out of the cam for the exact reasons you listed, but it is plenty to feel a major power increase from a cheap cam swap.
3. funny, my stock chip and ecm have had no problem when i had 1.6rockers on the stock cam or now that i have an LT1 cam. the car runs smooth and clean, the most power wil obviously coem from a custom prom, but you can easily adjust the base timign adn fuel pressure enough to get a very noticable increase in power from stock or the cam. true a MAF system has more ability to compensate, but the speed density ecms we have do pretty good because you are still left with plenty of vacuum with these smaller cams.
4. yes the 305 is smaller than a 350 and therefor egives up soem power to it with equal mods. you built your own engine though, face it, most people don't do that. adn even a cheap crate 350 is gonna run close to $2000 once installed, you can do almost everything on this list for close to that and be running as fast as or faster than the basic crate motor that price affords.
i do completely agree with not doing mods that you can't swap over later, but since everything but the poistons in a 305 moves directly into the 350, i don't see what is really wasted here.
5. fully sequential is the path to the most power, but tha is really big $$$ to do right. so i wil stick to cheap *** tbi for now

13's are easy for a 305. just take care of the whole package and you can get there.
biochem, you shoudl take notes from chris here, he presented legitimate points in a clearly outlined format that we can debate openly, he didn't bag on parts, he pointed out their pit falls. that is the way to present and argument. thansk chris.

later
tim

 

Okay guys - all aside, what does it take to really run 13s? I want the opinions of guys with time slips. Everyone seems to have a ~330hp 350 combination - so assuming a 700-R4 with a shift kit or a decent 5-speed, what does it TRULY take? My guess is around 300+ hp, 3.73ish gears, posi, a good tranny, and some suspension mods (trailing arms, sway-bars, ect). Lets clear the record once and for all!


TP

 

look at my list. it is a legit combo to run in the 13's. if you wanna go low 13's you are gonna need heads and you are gonna wanna get a custom chip burned to get everything out fo the combo either way.
a set of DOT approved drag tires is always a big help to any combo.

later
tim

 

People are probably more looking for facts. Like people that have done those mods and "Oh here is my 13 second time slip." kind of stuff. Hey! I have a website for a guy that actually did that, with a complete mod list and timeslip. and he ran 13.10 with his 305 TBI.

http://members.aol.com/j007golden/joerace.html

 

If you're running 13's with a stockish 305 - you DESERVE to have the Majin Vegeta icon! Awesome!!!

TP

 

Yeah, hes running 13.1, but with a 120 HP shot of nitrous. Most people I think aren't willing to do that to get to low 13's, more likely to blow the engine before long. He doesn't mention what heads or cam he is using either.

Chris

 

Using Stock heads and cam. Thats why it isn't mentioned and if u run a N20 system right, you won't blow your engine.

 

RIP 'EM A NEW ONE TIM! Nonbelievers should be stricken down and flogged. Tim knows his stuff!!! I have been watching his posts for a long time (even before I signed onto the board) and he is the reason I will be running 13's by summer's end. :hail:

PS. Tim, did you get my email about the 1.6 rockers?

 

But my car runs 16.4 @ 85mph now and I dont see anything in there that is going to drop 2.4 seconds off of my 1/4 mile. Maybe I should just sell it and get a new firehawk...

oh yeah and black widdow... NJ speeder is about to go into the 12's?? With what?

 

OK tim, my last post because you are not very good at telling me off and I'm tired of having to spell things out for you... I never said you needed to turn 6200 to run 13s. I said my engine (the same one you said only turned to 5500) makes power up to there. Granted, I'll take another 700 rpms of usable HP any day too And I mentioned that my concerns when I built my engine (for less than $1700) were also taking emmissions into account. I never said your suggestions would not pass a sniffer either. I just said your suggestions would not get a low 16 second car into the 13s with only those things you listed done to them. If you are going to "tell me dude" (thank you Black_Widdow for that tech input), then do so accurately...

As for explaining myself as eloquently as Chris, why bother? You obviously don't get it anyways

Nitrous would be my suggestion for running 13s on a 305. If done right, it is prefectly safe. Sure traction mods are good for consistancy, but do nothing for getting better ETs for a car that can barely do the one wheel peal anyways! And no... one 13.999999 run on a downhill track in a hurricane does not count either.

 

You guys have to realize that except for the drag radial recommendation, all of the suspension mods on that list are maybe, MAYBE worth .25 sec. in the 1/4 mile.

To make a 16 sec. car run a 13.99 you are going to have to add huge horsepower. My car stock only ran a 14.2 @ 98 and a 13.8 @101 (totally different weather conditions on those two bests), and it dynoed 255 RWHP/291RWTQ.

A TBI 305 with all the mods above will maybe make 210-215 net crank HP, which translates into 172 RWHP. That isn't enough to get anywhere close to a 13.99 even with all the suspension stuff. And drag radials are only really necessary if you have enough power to require them for launching.

You're simply going to have to have more HP. If this is a proven combo for 13s, then I want to see where its proven. Show me a timeslip for this setup. You're going to need a set of heads (at least a set of LB9 305 TPI's w/light porting) and a cam larger than an LT1 cam, something more like a 216/224 duration with lots of lift to make up for the small valves. If you're driving an A4 you're going to need a converter, too.

And please don't make the mistake of putting a huge rear gear in one of these cars with the stock heads/cam. You're going to put yourself out of the engine's powerband at the end of the track and it'll fall on its face.

With the combo above you guys are going to be at least 60 rwhp shy of 13s IMO.

 

Just one thing fellas - if 305s can run 13s/12s supposedly so easily, then why do they have the reputation as a boat anchor? There's something behind the whole 'reputation' other than a possible conspiracy . I mean, think about it, if we all count run 13s with a stock short-block 305, why would anyone wanna build a 350 or 383???

 

i just dont think very many people try to build 305s....everyone just throws them out and sticks a 350 or bigger in. i wish i could get a 350 but A. i dont have the money being a high school student B. i cant build a motor so id have to buy a crate C. i gotta have my car i cant have long downtimes. if i honda can get into the 13's a 305 can...

 

close, if i remember correctly, the 302 only came into existance for the trans/am series due to the limitations nj mentioned. it was never designed for economy and is infact a destroked 327 with a 283 crank. i believe the only v8 engines in 67 (i think that's when the 302 came out) were the 283, 327, and 396. it is true that the 305 was developed for economy.
jess

 

That should tell u something.....

I have seen ONE 305 TPI on here that ran high 12's and what he had to do to get there was absoutly ridiculous. He modified the entire block and tranny and rear end/suspension, added a Vortech supercharger and modified the computer and then ran a 75 shot of the ole sneakty pete.....all to run 12's.....guys thanks but no thanks. I will shoot my NOS into my 305 and try to run 13's but thats all I am expecting out of this engine and the only reason I bought the spray is because it can be swapped onto something bigger. Look at most of my mods and all of them can be swapped onto a bigger engine.

 

I know, I promised the last post was the end of it, but I just have to say: WHAAAAAA!

So what you are saying is that you want something to race Vipers (not that it would be close), but you want to get it for free! LOL Speed costs money. Why do you think people break it down to $$$/HP? Cutting costs here and there is smart... sometimes, but I wouldn't hook my bottle warmer up to my car battery just so I could save a few cents on a switch

I would bet that either the Honda you are refering to has nitrous, or it has more money in it than a HS kid who can't afford to have his car out of commission for any length of time has! BTW, all the mods I did to my car were started on a Friday afternoon and done by Monday morning's drive into work... in an apartment parking lot with the exception of building the motor. That was done in a friend's garage over a week and installed on a Saturday.

Heads are the most expensive part of building a 350. To get a 305 into the 13s, you'll need them anyways. Blocks are cheap and plentiful. Heck, get a Pep-Boys special and replace the heads/cam and you're all ready ahead of the game.

 

theres a guy on the carb board runnin 13.5 in the 1/4 mile with a cam, intake, and better carb. now i know this can't be done with tbi so that just shows another good reason to switch to carb if u keep your 305

 

The advantage of the carbed 305s is they don't suffer from the swirl port heads.

 

well i was gonna get vortec heads anyways.i figure the vortec heads not milled down will still be ten times better then the stock tbi heads or any heads they put on the 305. them heads along with an edelbrock intake and a nice cam and a 650cfm carb set up i should be mid 13's no prob

 

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.

Hey I got a rock over here that keeps away mountain lions. It must be working, I've never seen a mountain lion. Do you want to buy it?

 

Yes GM developed the 302 just because of the 305 cubic inch limit in the T/A series. GM basically just took the 327 and stuck an forged 283 crank. In '68 and '69 GM made the 302 4bolt mains. The 302 did come out in '67 and the engines that GM had at the time were: 283, 327, 396 and 427.



Switching to a carb? why would I want to sacrifice the broad powerband of EFI and ultimately the driveability just for an extra couple of hp's?

 

it is truely amazing how many haters and doubters have come out of the wood work for this thread.
it is really simple to see how these mods can give you enough mph to run a 13, christ it only takes about 97 mph if you can cut a 2.0 60ft! if you can see the 1.9's you can do even better. we are not talking about knocking on the door of 12's with this stuff, just making it into the 13's is all. this combo will be seen more and more as the summer goes on, you can all count on that, because it is cheap and simple. there are no complex theories at work and certainly no need for a wild cam or big heads.
chris, i don't know what kind of hook you are used to seeing, but 101mph is not only worth a 13.8, you can easily go a 13.50 or slightly under with that mph with ok hook. you can also easily run good gears with a TBI because of where the power band is, stock these cars usually go around 84-85mph, that brings the car throught eh traps right near teh stock peak hp with 3.73 gears. even with the cam done which woudl move the peak power to aroudn 5200rpm the car woudl still be in a very strong part of the power band at around 4800rpm(98mph). 4.10's can be worth a little more because they allow the car to use the entire power band in every gear, which is what the stocker guys have proven is teh way to go the quickest, even if it does die off a bit up top.
it really sounds like the point of no body taking the time to build a 305 is prolly the best statement that has been made here. it really is that easy. it jsut took this board a few years of trying to figure it all out.
biochem, you are such a smacker. now you wanna make fun of a kid for not having any money, he never said he wanted anything for free, he jsut said he ain't rich and doesn't have the knowledge/tools to build a motor. that is really pathetic of you. if you are such a bargin engine master you woudl be able to run a number without the bottle. face it dumb ***, your car doesn't look like a poster child for edelbrock, but you are acting liek the poster child for birth control.

later
tim

 

And where is the timeslip that goes with that supposed 13 second combo that actually says 13 seconds? Dont make claims until they have happened, thats part of why people are giving you crap, any of us can play bench racer. As for nobody 'trying' to make a 305 fast, I have a friend that did it in 1986, so you are like, um, 16 years behind him and are nowhere near as fast. You'd have to have a dragster push your car to catch up. Try in the future to only make claims of fact for facts that exist, and dont think that nobody has been where you are.

As for 305 and 12's and... LOL! Vortec and NOS? Sheesh. You havent been around very long. Theres more than a handful I know have been there, two of them NA. None of the ones I am thinking of used 2 power adders. But you are right in saying not many have done it, its not like any car will take the mods and work well with them, I have been around too many identically modified cars (stock block) that were nowhere near the same performance wise.

 

adn you did what to learn how to make a LO3 go fast? hmmm, oh nothing, thats right.
well i have not said that i ran a 13. what i have doen is played with and doen a lot of trial and error learnign about hwo the LO3 works and responds to mods over the last 8years of ownign my car. what have i achieved, how about 15.2's with ultimate tbi mods before i even had a posi, 14.6's on street tires, how about 14.2's on a stock chip and cam.
if i had to start over with the knowledge i have now my car woudl have run 13's a long time ago, and for a lot less money. but i was the one doing the learning. so i did not have the luxary of anyoen who has been there telling me what it takes.
it does not take a super computer designed system to run 13's. i don't know why everyone is acting liek it takes a miracle to go that quick.
thirdgens have good launch habits, they are not overly heavy, and the chevy small block can be easily modified to make a bit more power, even on a budget.
it is truely amazing how i get to go through this same old crap every year before racing season starts. why is it that a bunch of guys who never worked with tbi have to show up and say how much it sucks and how flawed the 305 is and doubt everything about it. a few years ago the same type jokers were saying that a 305 can't go 90 mph without a cam, i did it before i even swapped the stock intake out!!!!! face it, none of you guys who are bagging have any tiem into this set up, so knock it off.
as far as 305's runnign 12's, go watch nhra stock some time, you will see properly prepared stocker motors putting 305's and olds 307's well into the 11's. adn they have serious cam limitations in those clases so the cars are not all wild and out of vacuum or anything. so i see no reason why a 305 can't be driven teh 45miles to my nearest track and run a number consistantly.

later
tim

 

Guys guys guys! Can't we all just get along? Remember fellas! We're all driving Chevy's here! We're nearly all driving Camaros - who cares if its 305, 350, TBI, TPI, auto or manual!? The real enemies - let all remember this - are Mustangs and Imports! DUH!

 

Are you kidding, even bone dead stock I could easily hit my 110 speed limiter. Know with exhaust and open air filter i get there in no time, especially since i got my headers.
Lets put it this way. I got my LT1 cam today, and I plan on getting a lot of suspension done as well as shift kit and 3.42's.
Finally top it of with L31 heads and Edelbrock RPM performer intake made for the L31's
Bump up the fuel pressure and increase timing.
I should be doing pretty good.

If I don't hit 13.2 or lower, oh well, I still have a well running car with less than a grand into the motor. Someof which can be transfered to a 350.
I wish I had the money to build a 350, I really do. If I had and extra 4500 I'd build a monster, but I don't, and when I finally do, she'll be a sight to see, and I'm sure the LO3 will still be alive and kicking. Until then I'll give the ricers and stangs hell with the LO3

peace,
Chris

 

He's talking about at the end of the 1/4 mile.