What does Vtec mean that you see on varous imports, i always thought it meant they may have a little help from "Vortek" to make them a little faster. V-Tek = Vortek? They cant be equiped w/ Vortek SCs becaus i toast them.

And while im asking this what is in a real Type R package?

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VTec is Honda's trademark for a variable valve timing system. The import doofs put those stickers on everything, so it's mostly meaningless as far as what you see driving around.

No idea what a Type R is... who gives a rat's rear end?

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Yes, Vtech is the variable valve timing. BMW uses the same technology, and starting in 2002, GM will be using the same on there new inline 6. That will be a treat.

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To bad they wont be doing it on v8's Toyota also does it under the name of VVT-i; Variable Valve Timming wih intelligence If I remember right, I read that they used some sort of an offset on the crankshaft(for inline 4s)... thats about all I know.

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Most (import) car manufactures has their own form of variable valve timing. Honda just promotes it the most. VVTI is Toyota's Version. And the upcoming Porsche 911 Turbo will also have variable valve timing. But, the only time when Vtec actually is engaged is somewhere about 5000RPM(not sure). When it's below, it's just like any other honda civic.

 

Atcually they do have Vtec for V8's. I seen it in a magazine. I think it was HOT ROD. But they have Vtec now for V8 engines. I think it costs like 400 bucks though. But it does give a pretty good amount of hp and torque. The type R just has better suspension and slightly more hp. I consider the TYPE R a peice of ****. Tehy don't handle that good and also they cost like 28K. I would rather buy a new Z28 and still have cash to fix it up.

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The Vtec is a varialbe valve timing thing. On my 92 civic si it kicks in around 4000rpm and you can really feel the differnce on up through 6000rpm. I still prefer my V-8 though. I like the honda for my 32+mpg going form school to work and home.
matt

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Damn, from the opening picture i thought that guy was going to be pro-*****.

The Civic vs. Mustang article was good too.

"As efficient and nice as the 4 cylinder VTEC may be, the v8 is just too powerful and ruthless to compare it to any 4 cylinder."

ruthless - perfect wording

 

it got boring to me halfway through the opening paragraph so i Xed it

 

OK, I'm sorry about this but i have to do it, V-TEC in no way changes the timing of the engine. It neither retards or advances anything. At a certain RPM the the oil pressure gets to a designated PSI and it then injects the lifters with oil making the valves open further at higher rpm. There is no kind of computer or anything technological that controls it. Although a lot of technology has gone into the design of it. I had to get that off my chest. I hate ricers just as much as the next guy, but that is a well thought out design and I can't stand to see people talk about it like its some magical mystery.

Later,
Lars

 

Right and wrong Lars, it has to do with valve timing, not ignition timing. It essentially increases the valve duration without affecting idle and low end adversely. Alot of the mfrs. are trying to find ways to do this sort of thing; some are using a hydraulic cylinder to change the timing belt tension to advance and retard the cam (or one half of a dual set, to change overall duration), etc. With OBD3 and increasingly stringent CAFE requirements and lower emissions levels and increasing demand from the marketplace for performance, all the OEMs are under alot of pressure to figure out ways to satisfy all these conflicting demands.

In fact, things like Rhoads lifters and Crane's "fast bleed" lifters are almost the exact same thing, if you think about it. They are all attempts to create RPM-dependent valve timing, to allow longer valve durations at high RPM without creating all the low-RPM penalties that go with bigger cams. Like one of the others said, Honda has simply done more promotion of their implementation; and all the "ricers" have latched onto it as a buzzword without having a clue what it means let alone whether their car actually has it, or even whether it would make any practical significant difference even if it did.

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Ok, the VTEC system on Honda's is a Variable Timing Electronic Control system. The system is opened by a silinoid when the vehicle is traveling over 15 mph and the oil is at a certain temp. usually 120F. Where the system is engaged can be controlled by an electronic piggy back computer tagged into the cars ECU. Mine engages at 6200RPM and pulls all the way to 9300RPM's. My car is stock by no means, but from the factory it kicked on at 5400 RPM's.

The Type R is consider the Best Handling front wheel drive car on the market today. There are very few upgrades that can be done to inprove the suspension. It comes factory with stage 2 race cams, capable of a 9100RPM redline, with a beefier transmission. By no means your econo-box. Off the showroomo floor this car turns 14.60's with it's 180hp 1.8L 4 cyc. With mods such as stage 3 cams, electronic cam controls, free flowing exhaust, aftermarket clutch and flywheel, and cold air intake, I have seen this car hit 13.20's.

Thank you,

Goodday

 

All I have to say is fu(k ricers!
I hate those prics, They rev their wanabe motor at me and when i rev back they dont do ****! Those fart tips are disgusting!
Their moto must be TIP DIAMATER= HORSEPOWER
I have a pure hatred for them. I see one on the road and i go after all the time.

Bowtieguy01

 

Real Type-R Integras have 5 lug rims. If you see 4, its a fake. Most are.

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Man, I'm sick of everybody talk about straight line performance like it's the only thing that makes a car . It's not just about going fast. Yeah, the Viper's one hell of a car, probably all of us have dreamt of owning one sometime or another. The numbers tell you it's an awesome car, but ask the test driver how that monstrous power, in spite of the 0.97g lateral grip, can turn your wet dream into your worst nightmare. Some of its best attributes on the race track also make it a pain on the street. No wonder most magazines rank other comparable cars more favorably. It's one thing to just read the columns, look at the numbers and fantasize, and a totally different other to drive for yourself.

What about just having fun behind the wheel? My '79 CJ 7 takes forever to reach 60 mph but it kicks my IROC's rear as far as the fun factor is concerned. I can drive that thing all day long and not get tired of it. It can neither handle like the IROC nor accelerate like it but something about it just makes it more fun to drive. Same goes for the IROC too. It's a helluva lot more fun to drive than most other cars. And its not just the power that makes it fun. It's the looks, the t-tops, the sound, the handling, all those things come togther to makes the IROC the blast that it is on the road. Of course, being the octane junkie that I am, reasonable power and handling are a must in any vehicle, but by no means are they the only criteria. What good is a car that runs 11s and handles like it's on rails if it's too monstrous to be streetable? After all we're all about driving our cars as much as we can, not trailering them to races. If that was the case, we wouldn't be 3rdgenners. There are better faster cars out there than our decade old rides, but we're still driving our cars because it's not all about power and handling. I'm not flaming imports here - any 1.6 - 1.8 that runs with 5.0s and 5.7s deserves all the respect it can get. I've driven Civics before and I think they're great cars.

So people before you start ranting and raving about who's better and who's faster, take a nice long look at your own reasons for driving what you drive. And yes, I still want a Viper .

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O.K. - my 2¢ now...

Variable valve event timing is about as old as I am. High-bleed hydraulic lifters have been available for SBCs almost since Christ was a baby. It's a somewhat different technology that is less controllable than a PCM system, but it accomplishes the same net result. Rhoades, Crane, and Crower have offered these back when Honda was a scooter company. Chrysler experimented with mechanical variable valve advance timing at the cam sprocket back in the '50s. I'd suspect others have done it as well.

Variable timing is a good idea. That's why our sparks happen at different times. The same hold true for valve timing. Weenie little engines need all the advantages they can get, so it stands to reason that Bavarian Weenie Motors and Rice Central would try hard to re-develop the idea first (or, would that be "again"?). The Oriental Motor Car Consortium is very good at refining existing ideas, but they get a big fat "ZERO" for originality. How many Hondas and BaMWs do you see making 2,200 HP at the strip?

The best thing about a V-Tec decal is that it strengthens the upper windshield by at least 40%, so I don't get glass shards in my tires when I run them down. As far as solenoids shifting the lifter roller over to a second lobe on the cam (ala BaMW), I'll wait patiently at the finish line to see how well the idea evolves.

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Very nice insight Vader! LOL

Really is a cool idea. Did we all forget that GM did it and left it behind? Remember the Cadillac motor that had it? I forget what one it was, but the engine sucked! I think it was the early 4.1 (YUK!YUK!YUK!)

I tend to give the ricers a little bit of a break. They do pretty well with what they have. Just when you start with such a small engine, you can't go as far in the way of performance! They do get some amazing power to size ratios!

I will be keeping the V-Tec out of my camaro, though! 355 cubic inches of raw V8 power for me!


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Is the Type-R the best front wheel handling car on the market?
I'd figure it would be the Acura NSX.

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You'd figure it'd be an NSX if you made it front wheel drive..Last time I checked you can't smoke the rear tires around a turn unless your like drifting through the streets of Japan or something..That car is too long and too yellow. It's cool, but there are a couple 2,000hp RX-7's I'd rather own for that price..

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I don't have a huge exhaust tip coming out the back of my car. It has a totally stock appearance. I used to own a 94 S-10 SS with a Whipplecharger on it. I must say that my car now is much more fun to drive. If it is all about going fast, I wouldn't have bought this car, I enjoy working with this a a hobby. That and it's pretty impressive when you can get a 4 cyc to run 11's-12's.

 

Shiner-

I think we're talking about 2 different things, when American muscle car people refer to "ricers". We've all seen regular Honda Civic station wagons (200 extra lbs of glass over the rear, non-drive wheels) with "Type R" and VTEC" stickers, lowered improperly so they're a ballsitic missile to other vehicles on the road, with wheels and tires that don't fit, the "weed-eater with a yeast infection" exhaust, park-bench rear spoilers, etc. This is not motorsports no matter what the other stickers say. This is not speed. This is not impressive to anybody, it is mindless stupidity.

I can't speak for everybody on this board, but I have respect for anyone who wants to make their car comptetitive, and no respect whatsoever for people who make misguided attempts to project the image of competition with none of the substance. I'm not convinced that the "look" I describe above has anything at all to do with competition, in fact I have not the first whiff of a clue what the motivation for this ludicrous pastime is, but many of these people seem to think that they are somehow enhancing the performance of their cars with all this crap. They even have the nerve to pretend that they have somehow "improved" their grocery carts with all this posing.

If someone could enlighten me as to what the point of all that really is, I'd appreciate it. Until then, I'll measure a car's performance by ¼ mile times, HP and torque, skid pad numbers, top speed, lap times, and stuff like that, not by the total proportion of the car's painted area covered by "motorsports" stickers from companies that don't participate in any form of organized competition, or by the number of big ill-fitting primered or bare plastic parts glommed onto an otherwise stock family sedan.

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Whipple charged eh?
Come to rowlett, YOU could make some money.
Most of these prics out here have nothing but exhaust, and the stickers that add horsepower. There are a couple of my guys that are serious about performance and not just ths bumble bee on crack sound. But even those guys are that smart. Granted the reason why they choose a civic over a z is because of insurance reasons. There was a guy that i knew that was all about imports. He got his money together and went to JOTEC, and bought him the most expensive tubo setup money could buy. The day it rolled of the shop floor i as there lookin at it. Jotec garunteed low 14's. He said he was going to tear up some camaros on the way home. He started up the car reved it to 8000 and dumped the clutch......
He snaped that trans axle clean. That was the funniest way to see $7000 burn up in 3 seconds. They rolled it back into the shop and three weeks later he's at ennis once again running his mouth. He rolles into the soap box. Revs it to 7200 this time and dumps it.....
He snaps it clean again.
I talk to alot of guys at the races talkin up the prelude and type r. Talkin about how ti pulls so hard. I'd like to take them 3 doors down from my house, where this guy owns a AAR cuda. He dropped a 528 hemi in it. Let them go for a ride in that, and then get back in their 1.6 civic, or 1.8 integra. They will never feel the same.

Bowtieguy01

 

Thanks for that info, Tas! I'll have to check the wheels next time I think a "TYPE-R" sticker looks fake!

Oh didn't the VTEC motors also have some type of cylinder sleeves that moved, too? Hot Rod explored the Vtec motor in one issue, and showed how they get "built up" for more HP. Funny, a ton of people wrote in blasting the authors for putting it in Hot Rod, but I knew what they were trying to do- show us what our opponents are using.

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[This message has been edited by TomP (edited November 22, 2000).]

 

I'm sorry but if I could I would put a v-tec 6 cylinder (the acura one in the nsx) in my car (91 Z-28) it makes 300 horse and get like 30mpg.

 

I am drifting of the subject here, but in regards to the last post...part of the gas milage is because of the design of the car and drivetrain more than the engine. There was a guy around here years ago that had a porsche 914 (remember those) with a 302 from a 68 Z28, it got 25mpg and was ludicrously quick. I think a civic 1.6 engine in a thirdgen would be lucky to get 25mg, vtec and all.

 

Gas milage direction, I only get 22-23 in the city and 25-26 on the highway TOPS.

Anything that doesn't make a car faster and you have to pay money to do I consider rice. Lowering, wheels, and suspension upgrades I do not consider rice, considering it does help you launch, and take corners harder and deeper.

Now on your friend that's dumping it from 7200, that's just insane, you can't do that with that much power on the stock CV Joints on the 3-6th GEN civics. They were typically designed to be Econo-Boxes from Honda.

One of my friends has a 99 Civic SI in dallas running 12.42 in the 1/4 with street tires, but has upgraded the CV Joints and axels already along with a LSD.

Oh, your want a real easy way to tell if it's a real type R or not? The only real current type-r's in america are the Acura Integra. It DOES NOT have a sunroof. The wheels are 4 lug, on the 95-up tegs, and a JUN Type R will give you a VERY good run for your money, as long as your are running low 13's.

Thank you and goodday,

ShinerBockSi



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I agree with the poster above that mentioned the gas mileage aspect, you are right a 4 cyl vtec motor wouldnt get good gas mileage in a thirdgen

these cars come out of the factory as a system of parts that all work together. Since most of your driving is done at low rpm part throttle, the gas mileage of a 1.6 vtec motor in a thirdgen would be horrible. The lack of torque would force you to use much greater throttle positions than in a car 800 lbs lighter. They are a very good compromise however, what with their cam timing, and runner lengths etc to where they do very well for their engine size at low rpm, and very well for their displacement at high rpm aswell

Our V8s are pathetic in this department, we are like an overgrown honda 1.6 with the vtec shut off (not that that is so bad even in a honda, ive actually heard of people disabling the system for blower apps.)

to be comparable to a vtech motor in terms of power output, we would need a cam in the 250 degree range at .050 lift, and a way to bleed off that duration at low rpms like the vtec system does so that it drives with the same street manners our cars do now but at high rpm the cam comes 'on'

Just imagine if american automakers saw the need for this technology (they dont now, a v8 with just conventional low rpm tech is more than enough power for the masses) and added vvti to a beefed up LS1 and maybe take it further to a dual runner system or heck, variable runner system ( i think formula 1 cars use this right?) that would be pure insanity, an almost never ending flat powerband

 

4,400 pounds; 27 MPG on the road; 13.684/104.65 ¼; 154 MPH with the air on; Had to remove the extra tire from the trunk to make room for the Nissan Maxima "spare"; Got some sauce for that rice?

But I digress. We're drifting from the realm of "Tech", and that is one fast Mitsubishi you have there, bud. Guess you can't beat the performance and economy of those small imports with the sixty-some valve, thirty-cam 1.0 liter engines. Wish I could afford one.

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[This message has been edited by Vader (edited November 22, 2000).]

 

Just curious but, everybody seems to be giving flak on civics and integras(so was i) but i havent heard any thing on the s2000. Thats one bout it mo fo, ethnicaly speaking.
240 hp and a 9000r red line. I wish i could take my 350 that high. I would'nt buy one, im american muscle. but bone stock, that thing is pretty damn quick. (FOUR A FOUR BANGER) Just thought i would try to continue this thread disccusion, it gets pretty intresting when this many people reply, it's pretty much all the most frequent member traffic in one room. It gets pretty nast sometimes.
Bowtieguy01
(and their too damn expensive) the s2000

 

im tired of hearing people say 'i hate ricers i hate ricers because .. um, they have a weenie size engine!!' that is what their country came up with, for all of the reason's involved.. gas (prices) is an obvious one. if people over here decide they like the car, engine, whatever , then why bash them for it? i know plenty of people that hate camaro's for whatever reason, and just prefer honda's n what have you. i agree completely with whoever it was that cant stand people who put enourmous wings on their cars, thinking it is faster, but people who really do mod. the little thing under the hood get bashed by (us) anyways. what is different from them and us? they are putting new chips in, doing some of the same basic things we are.. and (we) still say they are on some pointless venture to make their car faster. i dont konw how many of you have ridden in a new 'vtec' preludes, but they are pretty damn quick. i imagine most of you , or some of you have, but dont comment till you've seen them really pushed. and dont even comment about the new S2000. it will blow the doors of most of the thirdgen's here. dont believe me? 5.2 0-60 time... yea. and no, im not taking sides of the imports, but dont bash something just because it isnt the same as what you have. that is the same thing as racism, believe it or not. people say the other color is 'wrong' just because its different. neither one is 'better' or 'worse' than the other(speaking of cars again). differnt people like different things, and because someone begs to differ with your tastes doesnt make what they have not as good as yours. off the soap box now, just hate seeing, well, hate, when there is no legitimate reason for it.

 

Speaking of other ricers, anyone picked up the latest HOT ROD mag. Their is a article called "tomorrow's mopars today". Dodge is building their own version of rice in the neon. its called the srt. I guess since dodge is slapping the beloved r/t symbol on everything now,(one sign that their going to crap) they decided to go a step up. At least their serious about performace. The r/t Is a single cam 2.0 that produces 150 hp. (yawn)

The srt is also a single cammer but is eaton blown. it makes 208 hp and 180 tq. cowl scoop fed and lowered and yawda yawda yawda. What is the american muscle car market going to? Are going to be turning into a buch of ricers? The axing of the f-body has me fearing things to come. Is this the begining of the end for american V8's. There are rumors of the next gen mustang gt's being hi-po v6's. The viper might be offering a sohc 4.7. I used to think that all this stuff flying around a year ago wasnt really going to happen. but now i dont know what the future is going to hold for american muscle.
Sorry for the scary prophecy. I'm going to go take some prozac and sit down and watch a tape of the o'riely nationals.

Bowtieguy01

 

Originally posted by Vader:


Sexy.. I've always loved the impalas. My S10 got right at 26-27mpg and ran low 13's on good days...

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240 hp and a 9000r red line.

I'm stage 3 cammed with ECU, I have a 9400RPM redline and over 240hp at the crank in my civic. 207hp with 172lb's or torque at the wheels. even the exhaust looks stock on my car

 

http://www.beaterz.com/reviews/0300/p49.htm

Check out the page to back up that theory!!

Could someone email me as to how to post the pics right on the board.




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Shiner,

Kudos to you. At least you have the taste not to hang Maxwell House cans on your tail pipes.

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Just in case some of you aren't old enough to remember, the thirty-some year old Z28 came with a V-8 that made gobs of power at 7,500 RPM out of the box. People who tweaked the "little" engine were easily able to run at 8,500 RPM. A friend of mine had one of these naturally-aspirated 302s, and it scared that hell out of me at those RPMs. Oh, yeah - it would probably beat the holy crap out of just about anything on the assembly line offered today - rear wheel drive and all.

Take a solid SBC to 8,500 RPM and you get something like 750+ HP, not just 300. I'm not an anti-rice person by nature. I think most people should drive little cars since it makes economic and environmental sense. As long as I'm not one of those "most people", I'll be happy.

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If you want to post images on the threads, the image file needs to be loaded to a web-accessible directory. Once that is done, open a post that has a photo like you were going to edit it (use the "edit" icon in that post). You won't be able to edit and save the post if you aren't the original author, but you can see all the necessary codes to post a link or image in your posts.

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I would argue that the disparaging remarks about "ricers" is NOT tantamount to ethnic bashing, but more of a slamming of different philosophies. Big displacement power at moderate pressures and stresses versus small displacement power that is always running on the ragged edge of failure in order to make appreciable power. You can make power in many ways, but it takes the same amount of fuel to make a given HP or kW output. Economy isn't the issue as much as durability and stress levels of components.

It isn't just the orientals that subscribe to the latter theory. European cars also tend to have weenie little engines that you could store in a glove box, again running on the ragged edge of tolerance to make power. Someone correctly pointed out that many imports are equipped with small displacement engines due to perceived fuel economy and taxes. Deutschelanders are taxed based on engine displacement, not fuel efficiency. A 350 SBC would cause you great financial burden to tag in Germany, and many other countries.

I'll bet Honda would love to be able to offer a big V-8 in some of their cars, if they could only market such a vehicle around the world for less that seventeen-jillion yen in taxes and penalties. We don't realize how lucky we are sometimes...

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BowTie,

I'm glad you correctly identified Chryslers as the "other ricers". They are now almost reduced to nothing more than the North American branch of Mitsubihi Motors, Ltd. Maybe that's why Daimler is getting impatient with Chrysler mismanagement and installing their own execs in key positions. Benz has a close relationship with ZedF and Bosch, and I can't imagine they are very pleased about Chrysler's continuation of supplier argeements with Mitsubishi. (DUH!)

Ford is right on their heels, now using Mitsubihi transmissions in their larger trucks to compliment the Bridgestone/Firestone tires. I guess they figure it might as well all blow at once...


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I agree totally with most of you.. I'm anti-rice completely.

 

Hot chic, crappy car.
It'd look better if she was on a vette.
Tell her to give me a call
we'll race for title, and when i win i'll sell the rice for better parts on my car.

Bowtieguy01

 

That chicks my g/f buddy Where is rowlett at? wanna run?

 

I don't race for titles unless I know what i'm going up against. There are some f-body's around here running 11's, i'm not about to take a bet with that.. With a 18K dollar car anyways before mods.

 

Shiner, first let me say that I think that what you've done to your car wouldn't be considered rice, but one thing that really makes me LAUGH my *** off about import guys is when they BRAG about their redline!! Have you ever driven a 550+lb/tq big block V8 car around town?? At 1/8 throttle shifting at like 2,000 rpms my Grand Prix probably scoots to 0-60 faster than most Type-R's do while power shifting at 7-8grand, and I'm dead serious, ask Vadim, he's been in my car. When I hear people brag about high redlines it just makes me laugh my *** off because for street driving you want LOADS of low rpm torque, something those honda's will never have, how often do you see the far side of 5K while driving to school/work?? My firebird's cammed 355 makes peak power around 6,200 and I hardly EVER bring it that high except while at the track, for street racing I shift around 5K and that takes care of most cars, and even that is WAY too high for my tastes. how can all you thirdgen people be envious of a super high rpm power peak??? I can understand if you own a circle track car, but these are street cars. Speaking of which, do you guys realize just how much incredible power a circle track 355 at 9grand makes??!?!? My friends neighbor has one that is just a naturally aspirated 355 circle track motor, and it makes around 800+hp at 9,000 rpms, so when I hear people brag "240HP at 9,000 on just a little motor" whoop die ****'n do! If a 350 was built to rev that high it would make 3 times that power!


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Nice car: 1988 Formula 355, mildly ported/polished Vortec heads, RPM intake, Comp Cams Extreme 268 cam, 650 Holley double pumper, 5-speed/3.73 Richmond gears, and N02 on the way
Old 1/4mile: 13.5@105mph

Evil Car: 78 Pontiac Grand Prix, 500inch caddy motor, edlebrock intake,HP Holley 750 DP race prepped carb, B@M TH350 tranny, 16inch Iroc-Z rims, blacked out chrome, soon to run 10's...

There's no replacement for displacement!

 

Yeah, i know what you mean, I'm waiting on a Endyn to release their new supercharger for the B16A engine. It produces 270lb's or torque at only 2K rpm's and right at 520 hp at 7400 rpms. There is no vtec system with this setup, it is completely disengaged. I have driven one of our other cars quite often, a 98 Z-28 with the 350 LS1, and I must say, it's loads of fun. There is no replacement for displacement, but it's pretty cool when you have a car that runs fast out of a 4cyc.

 

First of all, you da man Vader! Once again talking some sense and logic into an otherwise seemingly inane and nonsensical argument. Man, that Impala SS looks so mean!! I've always loved that shape. It's got class.

I agree with ChrisFormula355 completely. I'm much more comfortable driving a motor that lugs 3200lbs around town effortlessly. It doesn't feel like I have to flog the motor to make it haul @$$. However, I sure as hell want to be in that '68 Z28 when it's pulling 7500rpm. Nothing sounds meaner than a high revving SBC.

What's up with Dodge anyway? Can't believe these are the same people who came up the Charger and Viper. The Neon has to be the crappiest car to roll out of a factory this side of ther Atlantic. That 2.0L isn't worth it's weight in manure. It's noisy, rough and just plain sucks. If they say it's for fuel economy, BS I say. For all the money they spend on leading people to believe it's a good car they could have easily come up with a powerful fuel efficient V6.

Is the story about the 4.7L SOHC Viper true? I hope not, otherwise pretty much all of us are gonna be on Prozac, Bowtieguy.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Gutted airboxes
160 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor

[This message has been edited by 88irocz28 (edited November 23, 2000).]

 

that is the kit to watch for and the company to watch for on the import scene, that was the blower app i was talking about when i mentioned disabling the Vtec, I hear right now that the main thing they are trying to do is kill off some low end on that setup, way too touchy/torquey

I wish Endyn made an effort to produce some of their super swirl tech SBC head and piston combos for us regular joes. I must say the stuff ive seen at theoldone.com is brutal when it comes to import stuff, almost makes me want one to tinker with

 

Shiner,
go to royal ln in dallas, thats where most of the action is on sat nights. Don't bother looking for me. You'll hear me. Just make sure you bring the trophy chic so i can spot you. There are so many riceres out there, it almost make me want to puke. Although sometimes they are sneaky bastards, There's a purple neon driven by a girl thats about as hot as your, she beat the fukin **** out of a viper!?! don't ask me how, she was being stingy the whole time and would pop the hood.
Bowtieguy01
86' vette
J/K about the whole trophy chic thing, had to say somthin to rile the thread up.

 

As for the truth behind the sohc 4.7 snake, I sure hope not.

They did try to produce that audacity "the copperhead", which strangely had the same engine as the one i'm talking about. Chrysler is willing to do anything for profit. So making a super exspensive car not so exspensive allows them to start mass producing them to turn a profit. I'm mean look at what they have done to all their vehicles latley. Notice how all of them are taking on viper charcteristcs? The only thing they have really done well on is the P/T cruiser. Their coming back out with the charger, the first one of the assembly line is late this spring, and the inroduction of the new hemi-c is coming in convertable form in the 300m.(which has a lot of the new vette characteristcs) Their desperate to keep up with GM, and FORD. They need to fire the crack addicts they have for designers, and get some originality back into their line up.
All bicker some more about the big three later
Bowtieguy01

 

Chrisforumla355,
It is very refreshing to here/see somebdy make the comments about torque in a street car these days. I too am growing weary of all the "TALK" of how much HP a certain engine will produce if it is rev'ed sky-high! Torque is where it's at, on the street baby, something you can feel every time you touch the gas and you do not have to be nearly as concerned about ventilating your block because your engine saw one too many high RPM passes.

I purchased my first car in 1978, it was a 1971 Cutlass Supreme SX. This car came from the factory with a 455/turbo400 producing 465 lbs/ft of torque and 360 HP! I added wide tires to the sport suspension and had one hell of a road car.(I just wish I knew then what I know now and I would have a monster machine).

The camaro I drive now is built for nothing but torque (see sig) and it is a blast to drive compared to the rice crap that we have offered to us by the automobile manufactures today.

Torque is something "real" that you can feel right now, try it someday you'll love it.


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'84Z28/'92 305TPI
'92 complete rear suspension/PBR disc/Posi/3:42
Light weight 34.5mm stabilizer bar in front
23mm sta. bar in rear
rear lowered 1" by cutting 1 1/4 coils of '84Z28 springs
comp cam, flowmaster
TB coolantbypass/shutoff valve to heater core
MAT relocated
Ram-Air(home-made) gutted air-box
IROC ground effects/wheels GY245/50's
700R4 superior shift kit/ corvette servo(excellent shift kit BTW) Rebuilt engine and transplanted it myself. Love this engine!
LOW performance people should drive low performance vehicles!

 

Chrisforumla355,
It is very refreshing to here/see somebdy make the comments about torque in a street car these days. I too am growing weary of all the "TALK" of how much HP a certain engine will produce if it is rev'ed sky-high! Torque is where it's at, on the street baby, something you can feel every time you touch the gas and you do not have to be nearly as concerned about ventilating your block because your engine saw one too many high RPM passes.

I purchased my first car in 1978, it was a 1971 Cutlass Supreme SX. This car came from the factory with a 455/turbo400 producing 465 lbs/ft of torque and 360 HP! I added wide tires to the sport suspension and had one hell of a road car.(I just wish I knew then what I know now and I would have a monster machine).

The camaro I drive now is built for nothing but torque (see sig) and it is a blast to drive compared to the rice crap that we have offered to us by the automobile manufactures today.

Torque is something "real" that you can feel right now, try it someday you'll love it.


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'84Z28/'92 305TPI
'92 complete rear suspension/PBR disc/Posi/3:42
Light weight 34.5mm stabilizer bar in front
23mm sta. bar in rear
rear lowered 1" by cutting 1 1/4 coils of '84Z28 springs
comp cam, flowmaster
TB coolantbypass/shutoff valve to heater core
MAT relocated
Ram-Air(home-made) gutted air-box
IROC ground effects/wheels GY245/50's
700R4 superior shift kit/ corvette servo(excellent shift kit BTW) Rebuilt engine and transplanted it myself. Love this engine!
LOW performance people should drive low performance vehicles!