zupmanZ28

So im coming home today, and a red Accord rice rocket pulled up next to me. From reading his stickers all over the car, i figured out it had a full aerotech exhuast and a weapon R intake, nothin much besides that. It was a five speed. ANyways the light turns green, and i left, not trying to race or anything, but as soon as i hear that popcorn popper exhaust start to whine out, i step on it, and can do no better than stay on the side of him, cause the next light turned red. So we both stop at the light and start revving our engines, the light finally turns green and were off. MY launch wasnt great, a bit more wheel spin than i would have liked, but he managed to stay beside me all the way through 1st and 2nd gear and about half of third gear before i was finally able to pull away from him. are these cars that fast? I dont consider my car to be a rocket ship, but i figured id be able to dust that little accord like it was nothing. what kind of power are those things really making? i figure my car to have somewhere around 300 hp, although its never been dynoed or dragged.

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86 Z28 red, originally LG4, new 350, non comp Qjet, T-5 five speed with new clutch, performer intake, crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back. Homemade cold air intake. Future mods: NOS, Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat. MSD igniton, 3.73 posi rear,

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT, countless many ricers....

Mark305TBI

Just for the hell of it I went and looked some stuff up...

150 bhp @ 5700 rpm
152 lb-ft @ 4900 rpm
3044 lbs curb weight
0-60 : 8.5 seconds
1/4 : 16.7 seconds
(This is a factory '97 5-speed four cylinder, the six cylinders didn't get 5-speeds)

-Mark W.
'88 SC Camaro w/ 305 TBI

zupmanZ28

this is ridiculous, i cant believe 150 hp almost beat me

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86 Z28 red, originally LG4, new 350, non comp Qjet, T-5 five speed with new clutch, performer intake, crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back. Homemade cold air intake. Future mods: NOS, Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat. MSD igniton, 3.73 posi rear,

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT, countless many ricers....

ShinerBockSi

Yeah they do, you can get a 5speed just not in the lx. I know this isn't about imports, for I drive a 3rd gen as well, but my civic ran a 13.48 in the 1/4.. and looks bone stock.

zupmanZ28

Im really thinkin that it was a V6 because the exhuast tone was lower than most four bangers ive heard...


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86 Z28 red, originally LG4, new 350, non comp Qjet, T-5 five speed with new clutch, performer intake, crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back. Homemade cold air intake. Future mods: NOS, Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat. MSD igniton, 3.73 posi rear,

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

theformula

Relax you don't know what mods he had. Or if he was running a blower or N20.
Very few of those cars are actually fast unless the owners dish at least a good $5000 in.

Some of those cars are quick, but not without forced induction. I guess if you have the money you can make anything fast, you'll still look like your coming back from the grocery store though



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92 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE package
Mods: SLP headers,SLP catback,SLP air foil,ported plenum,K&N, Crane AFPR (47psi),MSD6AL, MSD wires, AC DELCO cap/rotor/plugs, Bosch O2sensor, 3:73s,JET fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Intellitronix Digital Gauges

Bort62

That, Or On Your way Off to Clown College

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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Z28 LG4 - Daily Driver
**Mods**
MSD Superconductors
14" Open Element
KYB all around

Biochem

It could be a combination of things. Is your Q-jet in tune? Did he have a turbo or nitrous? You might be able to assume that if he went through the trouble of installing an intake and exhaust, he might of set it up for some sort of power adder.

Once, there was a guy who raced me a few lights in a row with his 95 Acura. I was beating him each time, but not always by much. Until the 3rd light when he started blowing smoke out his tailpipe, and by the 4th race he had to pull over with a blown engine. My car hardly broke a sweat!

A kill is a kill...

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1984 z28 w/ a 357 cu in. monster engine which is looking like the posterchild for Edelbrock... all the suspension stuff... 9-bolt posi disk is in... K&N filter... 93 octane...

-=ICON Motorsports=-

John Millican

iTrader: (1)

Your 3rd gen weighs so much more then that rice. 150hp in a light rice is about 250hp in a heavy 3rd gen.


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86 Camaro Sport
383 Speed-O-Motive Crate Engine, Trick Flow Heads, 58mm Accel TB, 3.73 Auburn Pro, SLP Cold Air Induction and Headers, Dynomax Cat-back, Serpentine belt setup, Dual IROC Fans.

http://www.sethirdgen.org/octride.htm

zupmanZ28

Biochem,
The carb is tuned right, i know cause i didnt do it, i had someone who knows what he's doing with stuff like that. I still have the computer controlled hei distibuter though, is that hurting anything?

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86 Z28 red, originally LG4, new 350, non comp Qjet, T-5 five speed with new clutch, performer intake, crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back. Homemade cold air intake. Future mods: NOS, Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat. MSD igniton, 3.73 posi rear,

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

Mark305TBI

Shiner, I was just going from what I read on the Honda web-site. It says that the LX-V6 and EX-V6 aren't available with 5-speeds.

-Mark W.
'88 SC Camaro w/ 305 TBI

89GTA5spd

150 hp in a Honda Accord is not like 250 in a third gen.. show me a stock honda accord that will beat a thirdgen tpi 350.. it just wont happen.

nelliesIroc

If your still running a computer controled distributor thats probably your problem. If your running one then your not getting any timing advance. If your carb isn't computer controlled you need a non computer distributor ( vaccum advance)as well

Biochem

HAHAHA Sometimes I feel the same way!


I think we've found a major problem. The computer controls the advance at the HEI, but since it isn't getting any signal from your carb's TPS, it leaves it at base timing. You definately need to go to Autozone and get a non-comp HEI (they'll sell you the base with a core return). I would also suggest getting medium springs (blue), but you may have to buy a whole spring/weight kit to get them.

Install it and with the vacuum disconnected (timed vacuum port on carb) to the HEI, turn it until the timing is about 8-10 degrees. You will see a world of difference and that Honduh will only see your tail lights!


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1984 z28 w/ a 357 cu in. monster engine which is looking like the posterchild for Edelbrock... all the suspension stuff... 9-bolt posi disk is in... K&N filter... 93 octane...

-=ICON Motorsports=-

zupmanZ28

i have an hei distributer in an old 350 that came out of my Nova, so im gonna pull it and put in my Z next weekend, hopefully that will help, is there anything else i might be missing somewhere as to why the car seems so slow?

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86 Z28 red, originally LG4, new 350, non comp Qjet, T-5 five speed with new clutch, performer intake, crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back. Homemade cold air intake. Future mods: NOS, Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat. MSD igniton, 3.73 posi rear,

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

85berlinetta

[QUOTE]Originally posted by theformula:
[B]Relax you don't know what mods he had. Or if he was running a blower or N20.
Very few of those cars are actually fast unless the owners dish at least a good $5000 in.

You know what you could do to a small block for $5,000.

jrr

Yep, that's their Mom and Dad's extra $5000 ,in their High Skool grad present, that you are racing against!

Too bad you don't have a nitro-fueled racing go-kart! Those things only have one or two cylinders, but they'll blow away anything up to 60 or 70 mph!

[This message has been edited by jrr (edited December 11, 2000).]

Mayt13

Honestly Those 1997 accords are probebly the second best accords Honda ever made after the 86-89 gen IMO, but anyway you can swap a 5-speed into those accords pretty easy, only problem is the v6 is hard to find in the coupe. Stock (w/v6) he would have 170bhp/2855lbs or 0.059545bhp/lbs, and stock you would have roughly 225bhp/3340lbs 0.067365bhp/lbs. So its not totally insane that he was able to keep up with you, given your lack of electronic timing advancement.

Some rice burners are fast, theres no denying it, but there are still a couple of reasons why there's no relacment for american muscle:
1) reliability, as hp/displacement Increses reliabilty decreases. my power train has 178k on it and will spin its tires all the way up the block.
2) Rwd, any fwd car w/ over 200 hp will just scrub speed through turns, the front tires simpily don't have enough grip to put the power down and corner.
3) the SBC Platform, with easy availability of parts and reliability well past 400 hp, no motor has ever or will ever come close to the Chevy 305 and 350 (also 383) in terms of cost effective power.

cuisinartvette

distributor will make a nice difference get to that one first

TreeFiddy

Wow 13 yo zombie thread, must be a record

88FormulaF_Bomb

iTrader: (1)

U gotta shoot it in the head


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Mayt13

lol didn't even notice the date untill after I posted, that guy might not even have a camaro anymore rofl xD

UBHSTRY

Almost makes the Internet feel old......