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Old Dec 21, 2000 | 12:18 PM
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Figuring out compression

I have a basically all stock 88 GTA 350. Factory says 9.3 or 9.4 with 64cc heads. How do I figure out my compression with a different cc head? I just want to get a rough estimate. I have the calculator thing but I dont know a lot of the variables, like how far the piston is away from the deck height and all. Cant I just substitue the cc numbers? The heads I am going to be getting are around 55cc or so. What will my compression be with a stock gasket and the new heads? Could you give me a simple formula?
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Old Dec 21, 2000 | 01:41 PM
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CR = (Cyl vol + comb volume) / comb volume

Since we know Cyl vol and CR we can solve for comb vol.

9.3 = (716.62cc + CV) / CV

CV = 86.3398

We know the stk head is 64cc's. Subtract 55 from 64 and then subtract that difference from the CV.

Your new CV = 77.3398cc and CR = 10.265
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Old Dec 21, 2000 | 01:43 PM
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Thanks man. I wouldnt have been able to do that my self.

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Old Dec 21, 2000 | 07:04 PM
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That's close enough but you should also know the deck height (how far down the piston is in the cylinder when at TDC), how thick the head gasket is and how much the valve reliefs or dome is on the piston. Only when you have all the variables can you get an acurate compression ratio.

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Old Dec 22, 2000 | 03:03 PM
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James,

If you are going to be swapping heads, cams, and other internals, you really ought to bone up on your math. It'll save you a lot of pain and agony in the end. You could also spend $50 and buy Desktop Dyno 2000 if you wish. An engine compression ratio calculator is right there in graphic detail.

Some things you are going to learn are how to calculate the proper valve height, calculate intake centerline, piston to valve clearance, compressed gasket height and volume, the ramifications of tall & short deck heights, piston & ring clearances, etcetera.

These concepts will enable you to intelligently choose the proper components. Otherwise, you might end up with a broken engine, or (perhaps worse) an expensive, tempermental, sluggish engine.


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Old Dec 23, 2000 | 04:01 AM
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Hey Dan. That's another great present I got this year. A friend of mine just got a CD burner, and he gave me a copy of Dyno2000 for free!



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