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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 02:07 AM
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205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

I just want to be certain which engine I have..

a couple codes

GU4 : AXLE REAR, 3.08 RATIO
G80 : AXLE POSITRACTION, LIMITED SLIP
LB9 : ENGINE, GAS, 8 CYL, 5.0L, TPI, HO
MM5 : MERCHANDISED TRANS, MAN 5 SPD PROVISIONS
M39 : TRANSMISSION, MAN 5 SPD BORG WARNER, 77MM, 2.95

The car is a 91 z28 convertible.. The tach redlines at 5000

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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 02:22 AM
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Since you have the 5 speed, that means you have the 230 hp 305!

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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 04:26 AM
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205hp.


The 230hp LB9s in 91-92 redlined at 5500. Which also included the dual cat option.

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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 09:04 AM
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looking at the RPO's it looked like my car We have the 205 horse. I have mine up to about 230 with mods though.

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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 10:48 AM
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I have the engine that would have been in your car in mine, it was out of a 91 with the posi and stick. It may be rated at 215HP... but it doesnt have the so-called 'peanut' cam, I checked the lift and duration myself. I kinda 'borrowed' the format from comp cams here, hope it shows up right:

Actual 91 215HP TPI Cam specs (format stolen from compcams.com :

ENGINE: CHEVY SM BLK 305-350
INTAKE EXHAUST
VALVE ADJUSTMENT HYD HYD
GROSS VALVE LIFT .413 .428
.006 TAPPET DUR 259 265

VALVE TIMING OPEN CLOSE
AT .006 INT 8 BTDC 71 ABDC
EXH 61 BBDC 24 ATDC
THESE SPECS ARE FOR CAM INSTALLED
AT 119 INTAKE CENTER LINE

INTAKE EXHAUST
DURATION AT .050 202 207
LOBE LIFT .2750 .2850
LOBE SEPARATION 115.5

It may be that the dual cat added 5 or 10HP, not sure where the other 5-10 came from, maybe something in the exhaust.
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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 12:39 PM
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Didn't the 230hp version come with 3.42 gears?
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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 03:50 PM
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The 25hp difference is due to the lack of dual cats, a small Y-pipe, small (possibly TBI sized) exhaust manifolds, and a 2 1/4 inch catback.

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Old Jan 17, 2001 | 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Dan87IROC-Z:
Since you have the 5 speed, that means you have the 230 hp 305!
That doesnt work for 90-92 cars. The 230 HP engine was an option, with the G92 package. If you have dual cats, thats the 230 HP version. If you have a single cat, thats the 205 HP version. Since you have a 3.08 rear end, I'm guessing you have a single cat, too.

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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 10:16 AM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Sorry to Necro a preposterously old thread, but I dug this up with a search and thought I'd add some information that might be of use to others searching.

Anyway, since many of our cars have had the original exhausts and cats come and go by now, it may be difficult to tell whether you had the 230 hp or the 205 hp version.

The RPO code for the dual-cats (and therefore 230 hp), is N10. Look for that in conjunction with LB9, and it will tell you which LB9 you have.

Also, my transmission codes (for a '91) are MM5 and MK6, not MM5 and M39. M39 seems to be used with the 3.08 axle, while MK6 corresponds to the 3.42, which is GU6. I'm not sure if the difference between MK6 and M39 is "world class" T5 vs. not, or if it's the same code for a different transmission.

Anyway, point is, for clues as to how many ponies your LB9 had originally, look for N10 and and GU6 (and in the case of 5-speed cars, MK6).
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Originally Posted by Dan91Z
I just want to be certain which engine I have..

a couple codes

GU4 : AXLE REAR, 3.08 RATIO
G80 : AXLE POSITRACTION, LIMITED SLIP
LB9 : ENGINE, GAS, 8 CYL, 5.0L, TPI, HO
MM5 : MERCHANDISED TRANS, MAN 5 SPD PROVISIONS
M39 : TRANSMISSION, MAN 5 SPD BORG WARNER, 77MM, 2.95

The car is a 91 z28 convertible.. The tach redlines at 5000

I'm thinking that the 205 was with an Auto Trans single CAT, and 230 HP was with a Manual Trans with dual CATS.... I suspect they have the same engine, same cam.... You would loose about 12 HP in the Auto Trans -vs- Manual, and gain about the same amount with the extra CAT setup... That would account for the 25HP difference.

My 1987 LB9 5-Speed G92 is the 215 HP engine with a single CAT. Your car (since it's a few years newer) may have a slightly different cam than mine came with, but I suspect it's so similar that it would make no measureable difference in HP.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 11:19 PM
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Car: White 1987 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI LB9, 215 HP
Transmission: Borg-Warner T5 NWC
Axle/Gears: Borg-Warner 7.75 with 3.27 ratio
Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Originally Posted by mnorton
I'm thinking that the 205 was with an Auto Trans single CAT, and 230 HP was with a Manual Trans with dual CATS.... I suspect they have the same engine, same cam.... You would loose about 12 HP in the Auto Trans -vs- Manual, and gain about the same amount with the extra CAT setup... That would account for the 25HP difference.

My 1987 LB9 5-Speed G92 is the 215 HP engine with a single CAT. Your car (since it's a few years newer) may have a slightly different cam than mine came with, but I suspect it's so similar that it would make no measureable difference in HP.
Hello mnorton!!

I have a 1987 Camaro IROC-Z with LB9, 5 Speed, 215 HP, single cat, but I don't have the G92 RPO. My car originally came with the BorgWarner 9 bolt posi with 3.45 gears, however some D***A** changed out the rear end for another BorgWarner 9 bolt posi with 3.27 gears!! How come I don't get the G92 RPO? Yet I have all the parts?



To the OP of this thread, I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I had to ask!!! Also, based on the info that you gave in your original post, you have 205 hp!! You can check that on the home page of TGO, under Camaro Tech Data for 1991 Camaros!!

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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 01:54 PM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

I always thought that the five speed cars got a different cam then the auto cars, hence the hp difference. I thought also that the dual cats were only good for 5 hp (225 vs 230). If I recall, the original tpi 305 had the corvette cam making 215 horse in 85. The following year it got the 305 cam making 195 horse with the auto (all that for 1 mpg extra). When the stick 305 tpi's came out in '87, they got the 350 cam and higher rating (220, i think) while the autos kept the 305 cam. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, please.
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Old Feb 6, 2010 | 01:07 AM
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Car: White 1987 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI LB9, 215 HP
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Axle/Gears: Borg-Warner 7.75 with 3.27 ratio
Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Originally Posted by donnis618
I always thought that the five speed cars got a different cam then the auto cars, hence the hp difference. I thought also that the dual cats were only good for 5 hp (225 vs 230). If I recall, the original tpi 305 had the corvette cam making 215 horse in 85. The following year it got the 305 cam making 195 horse with the auto (all that for 1 mpg extra). When the stick 305 tpi's came out in '87, they got the 350 cam and higher rating (220, i think) while the autos kept the 305 cam. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, please.
Hello donnis618!!!

Iroc's had 215 HP from 305 auto in 1985, 190 HP from 305 auto in 1986, 190 HP from 305 auto in 1987, and 215 HP from 305 manual in 1987. All these had single cat exhaust. The HP difference between the years was attributable to just a cam change.


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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

its the 205 hp. it my car exactly. single cat 110 gauges 5 speed and 3.08 rear. g92 got the 145 gauges dual cats and the 230 hp rating with 3.42 rear.
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 01:25 PM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Did some research, The 88-89 cams where different then 90-92 cams wich had less duration and little less hp on 90s models.

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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 01:57 PM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Originally Posted by 87IROC-DAN61
Hello donnis618!!!

Iroc's had 215 HP from 305 auto in 1985, 190 HP from 305 auto in 1986, 190 HP from 305 auto in 1987, and 215 HP from 305 manual in 1987. All these had single cat exhaust. The HP difference between the years was attributable to just a cam change.

I can't speak to 1990, but 1991-1992 manual transmission equipped cars with N10 got the L98 cam and a slightly better exhaust to reach 230HP. So it wasn't 100% cam changes between years. Exhaust factored in as well.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:02 AM
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Re: 205 or 230 hp lb9.. which do I have?

Old Thread, I know... but I want to clarify...
G92 is, or is not an RPO code?

My 91 TPI 5 Speed has all the codes for 3.42 GU6, N10 Dual Cats, C60 for AC, KC4 - Engine oil cooler, no J65 rear disc, and the Speedo redlines @ 5500..... I'm pretty sure it's the 230 hp, but didn't see G92 RPO code anywhere....

Rafael
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