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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 07:48 PM
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well 2 questions actualy, first i was told that using synthetic oil stops the car from smoking, true? and also what kind of oil should i use in my 305 HO with 280,000 miles in florida? should i use the 20w-50 stuff?
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 05:51 AM
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don't think synthetic will stop the engien from smoking. i'd run 10w-30
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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I would try Valvoline Maxlife
http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=7

and Slick 50® Engine Treatment For High Mileage Vehicles
http://www.slick50.com/index.htm

but it may not help much.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:20 PM
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There is only one situation I can think of where synthetic could help oil burning - stuck, gummed up oil control rings that the synthetic desolves and frees up. Of course, if that's the case, the engine probably has a bunch more oil consumption source issues.

The typical small block Chevy smoke situtation is blue smoke at start-up, caused by valve stem seals. They typically have gotten hard and cracked, and no additive or "high mileage formula" is going to fix that. Some synthetics (I say "some", because there is some real junk out there) will keep seals softer and therefore help them last longer, but that won't fix cracks from hardening.

If you want to stop the smoke, replace the valve stem seals. If the smoke occurs during normal operation, especially when under power, then that's piston rings, and no oil or oil additive is going to fix them (except the case noted above).
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:26 PM
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it dont

it doesnt actualy fix it, i guess when it burns it doesnt create smoke or somthing?
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:32 PM
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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Re: Oil Question

Originally posted by insayne
what kind of oil should i use in my 305 HO with 280,000 miles in florida? should i use the 20w-50 stuff?

With those kinda miles on that engine assuming its never been rebuilt it probably needs to be rebuilt or replaced to stop it from smoking. You could try 20 50w it might help a little bit but at a minimum your probably going to need valve guide seals.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:47 PM
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use the positive seals and if you want the o ring seals. i'd stay away from the umbrella seals
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:50 PM
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What type of valve seals are needed for the sbc? I am planning on replacing mine. And their are two kinds at autozone. I think one looks like an umbrella and the other is round. So I don't know which one I need.
Umbrella.

Or both. The round one is the stock type, and goes under the keepers. The umbrella go over the stem & guide itself. Doesn't hurt anything to put new stock types in when installing the umbrella type.
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Old Jan 27, 2004 | 12:49 AM
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Old Jan 27, 2004 | 04:58 AM
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i wouldn't use umbrella seals, even if five7 likes them. wouldn't say there's anything wrong with them, but i tihnk the positive seals are better plus i run the o ring too.
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Old Jan 27, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Well, if given a choice I'd go with the positive type. I got some positive seals that didn't require guide machining several years ago, but haven't been able to locate them lately. For a quick on-the-engine fix, the umbrella would be better than just the stock o-ring type.

FWIW, on the 396, I went from umbrella to positive when I did the porting last spring. Oil consumption disappeared, and this in an engine that is used primarily for racing.

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Old Jan 27, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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i found some 454 seals, from around 77 i think, for my 402 that fit on the guide without machining.
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Old Jan 27, 2004 | 11:18 AM
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Lucas oil stabilizer works really well for helping cars stop smoking, but it depends on how bad the car is smoking. Plus with the miles your car has, it probably needs to be rebuilt.
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Old Jan 27, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 03:34 AM
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 05:44 AM
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no. sorry i don't keep track od PNs but i've never had a problem finding positive seal. alot of heads i put them on have been machined for larger springs which also machines the guide to accept positive seals. if you can't find any that fit without machining the umbrella seals would be a great second choice. next set of seals i put on i may try tefelon seals from comp or crane, rb swears by them.
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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