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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 08:39 PM
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Car wont start

Ok so today I went through DEQ with the new car and did not pass, so I decided it was time to replace the plugs and plug wires anyways. So I went out and bought some from Schucks. I took all of the plugs and plug wires out, and then I put the new plugs in and connected the new wires.

(As a side note, I also did an oil and filter change)

After I did this the car will crank, and the plug wires are giving spark (had a friend hold plug 1 wire by boot with a ratchet extention in it and had him put it quarter inch from block(freaked him out when I cranked it heheheh).

Someone said I had the timing off since I didnt replace one plug and put in the new ones right afterwards... could it be this? I didnt do anything to the car timing related I didnt think

I have NO idea how to change the timing btw, I do have a timing gun though lmao. Maybe these are the wrong plugs? That is the only thing I can think of. I know we installed the plugs correctly.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 08:42 PM
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No way did you mess up the timing that way. Did you gap the plugs?

I would recheck the firing order first thing, then check to make sure you aren't out of fuel and that you didn't knock any wires off.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Car: 1966 impala , 1998 sebring vert,1978 buick regal turbo, 1991 chevy silverado 3/4ton 4x4 lifted
Engine: 283, 2.5,3.8 turbo 350
Transmission: powerglide,auto overdrive, th350,4L80
as lonestar said i would check the gap and the fireing order that you installed the wires with and make sure everything is in order.........which plugs did you get for it ???
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:16 PM
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Friend of mine checked the gap on them all, they were all the same. The plugs that I am using is Autolite Double Platinum.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:18 PM
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My aunt's boyfriend is coming over, he's the one who told me to redo the timing, I'm thinking no way I need to do that since it ran perfectly before I did the plugs. I double checked to make sure that the firing order was correct. I was telling people at work that I was getting a Camaro so they're expecting to see it tommorow, so I need to have it workin before tommorow or they're gunna pull the " " on me lol.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:21 PM
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I have never tried the platinum plugs, but nobody here seems to like them. I'm an old timer who uses what I always have...AC Delco. Funny thing is they were named after Albert Champion of Champion plugs, but I think the Chapions are terrible.

Bottom line is the plugs should at least get the car running even if they are not the best ones for the application.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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did you take the cap off or the rotor at all ??
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by sellmanb
My aunt's boyfriend is coming over, he's the one who told me to redo the timing, I'm thinking no way I need to do that since it ran perfectly before I did the plugs. I double checked to make sure that the firing order was correct. I was telling people at work that I was getting a Camaro so they're expecting to see it tommorow, so I need to have it workin before tommorow or they're gunna pull the " " on me lol.
Do us all a favor and ask him exactly how the distributor moved just because you didn't replace the plug right away. I want to hear the answer.

I saw a shop diagnosis once that read something like "The distributor was installed incorrectly causing it to rotate in the opposite direction therefore doing irreperable harm. The only known fix is to replace the engine with a new unit"...some people's children!
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Do us all a favor and ask him exactly how the distributor moved just because you didn't replace the plug right away. I want to hear the answer.

I saw a shop diagnosis once that read something like "The distributor was installed incorrectly causing it to rotate in the opposite direction therefore doing irreperable harm. The only known fix is to replace the engine with a new unit"...some people's children!
LMAO thats a good one ...oh man
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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LMAO thats a good one ...oh man
Don't want to get off topic but the poor lady fell for it and junked the car. The original shop diagnosis is framed on the junkyard's wal.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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wow thats just wrong ....
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:32 PM
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ok so I took off the distributor cap, but not the rotor, i did this as I went "wait, WTF am I doing, I dont know how to reset timing lmao"

EDIT: This was after I tried starting the car and it wouldnt turn over.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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May be a dumb question, but do you have fuel?
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 09:36 PM
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As long as the cap went back on right, there should be no problem there. Check to be sure it's seated properly.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 10:17 PM
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is this the firing order you used on your ride
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 02:01 AM
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DON'T let your aunt's boyfriend anywhere NEAR that car!! Good lord, did he tell you taking the cap off changes your timing?!? WTF! You probably just put the wires back on one off or something simple.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 09:13 AM
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Heh, I misunderstood him, what he meant was hook up a timing light to see if there's spark. So what it was, was the distributor cap had all that white junk on it, and the rotor was pretty bad too.

New problem now!! When we started the car, it sounds like it's missing on one cylinder or something. I figured hey it wont be that tough to ride it over to a shop so I can just get this fixed right? So I put it in drive, and the thing just BUCKS like I'm missing on half of the cylinders. When driving I feel it on the right side mostly where the buck is from (cylinders 2,4,6,8).

And when coming from idle, to about 1,000RPM there is a sorta metal-on-metal clanking. The aunt's boyfriend thinks that the flex plate on my AT went out. Or the flywheel broke or something.

Is this even a possibility? I mean, the thing ran like a CHARM before I tried putting these freakin plugs in lmao.

Any help is much appreciated! (and yes, I do have the firing order correct )
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 09:39 AM
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I am going to put this in a different post
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