couple of questions for you guys
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couple of questions for you guys
i just got done Honing out my block. i hope to put the bottom end together soon.
i went to autozone and looked at some main bearings and rod bearings. i should be OK with the standard size right? 60 bucks for both sets sound right?
as for rings, will i be fine if i use a standard ring size also even after honing my block?
PS i used a ball stone honing tool to hone my block.
any help is greatly appreciated
i went to autozone and looked at some main bearings and rod bearings. i should be OK with the standard size right? 60 bucks for both sets sound right?
as for rings, will i be fine if i use a standard ring size also even after honing my block?
PS i used a ball stone honing tool to hone my block.
any help is greatly appreciated
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Re: couple of questions for you guys
Originally posted by carlover01
i just got done Honing out my block. i hope to put the bottom end together soon.
i went to autozone and looked at some main bearings and rod bearings. i should be OK with the standard size right?
i just got done Honing out my block. i hope to put the bottom end together soon.
i went to autozone and looked at some main bearings and rod bearings. i should be OK with the standard size right?
60 bucks for both sets sound right?
as for rings, will i be fine if i use a standard ring size also even after honing my block?
PS i used a ball stone honing tool to hone my block.
any help is greatly appreciated
Dont take offense at this, cause most people here do. If you are asking questions like this, you should not be trying to rebuild your engine on your own. The crank needs to be mic'd. The journals need to be checked. Did you have the bores checked to make sure they are not out of round? There is a lot more than just cleaning it up, slapping in new bearings and going.
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none offense taken. its been my dream since i came out of my moms whom to be a mechanic. this is my first rebuild/ build. im 15 years old and learning quickly.
i will check all of the things you guys have suggested. anything else?
i will check all of the things you guys have suggested. anything else?
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My two cents... don't do what I did and waste your time with plastigage. Its total garbage. Use real tools to do your measurements, and double check everything!!
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Can I ask why the dig on plastigauge?
Granted it's not as good as the "right" mic set.... but...
I know of at least 5 mild SBC's that I've personally rebuilt with plastigauge, and I KNOW 4 of 'em are still running, as I see the cars almost everyday.
OF course, maybe it's just me.........but I check each measurement at least 3 times..
And last time I checked, Vizard recommended plastigauge for beginners tackling a rebuild..
That being said....once you can JUSTIFY the cost, getting the gauges isn't that bad...although a cheap set of calipers is worse than plastigauge in my lowly opinion...
Granted it's not as good as the "right" mic set.... but...
I know of at least 5 mild SBC's that I've personally rebuilt with plastigauge, and I KNOW 4 of 'em are still running, as I see the cars almost everyday.
OF course, maybe it's just me.........but I check each measurement at least 3 times..
And last time I checked, Vizard recommended plastigauge for beginners tackling a rebuild..
That being said....once you can JUSTIFY the cost, getting the gauges isn't that bad...although a cheap set of calipers is worse than plastigauge in my lowly opinion...
Plastigauge isnt reliable. The best thing to do is search, and you will find the proper way to do this
Note: this is quoted from RB83L69
Note: this is quoted from RB83L69
Don't worry about the absolute diameters.
You're looking for the main journal diameter plus the thickness of the main shell plus .002" or so of oil clearance to equal the main bore, and likewise for the rods.
Cleanliness is the first order of business. By the time you are assembling the motor, the crank should have been to the car wash, and washed with brushes in the holes and stuff, to get out any particles that might be hiding in there. Wipe the main journals with a lint-free towel, and use spray can carb cleaner last of all, to wash the oil holes and the main journals. DO NOT touch the main journals after this last flush.
First thing to do is put the rear main seal in both the block and the cap. DO NOT use sealer on the back of it; instead, use a small amount of white lithium grease, just a light smear, on the metal parts. Use the little plastic guide tool they give you, and put the seal in end-wise, pushing it around the seal bore from the end; DO NOT just jam it straight on. How you put that seal in is very important, if you want a leak-free motor. Leave it with about ¼" sticking up at one end of each, such that when you assemble it, the split in the bearing doesn't line up with the split in the block. Smear a very light smear of white lithium grease on the seal surface (both halves of the seal) where it meets the crank.
Wear vinyl (not latex) gloves such as you can get at hardware and paint stores. Take the main bearings out of their boxes, lay them in clean lacquer thinner in a shallow pan or something WITHOUT TOUCHING THEM; clean the block and the cap saddles one last time with a lint-free towel and lacquer thinner; lift them by their outside surface at the very edges where they meet, and place them carefully in the block saddles WITHOUT TOUCHING THE BEARINGS; do the same with the other half and the caps WITHOUT TOUCHING THE BEARINGS; put a couple of drops of ATF or 10W-30 synthetic motor oil on each block shell; lay the crank in. I like to use a small squirt type oil can for the lube so I can control how much I use, and avoid getting oil on things that seal, and committing other such unclean acts while building a motor.
Put a drop of gorilla snot on the very ends of the seal, and a light smear of silicone on the rear cap surfaces of the block, especially the one toward the oil filter side, making sure to get a little bit into the very corner of the register step, all the way from the crankcase to the outside world. One at a time, put a couple of drops of lube on the exposed main journals; place the caps in place; put some assembly lube or white lithium grease on the bolt threads and thread them in; and tighten all of them to 10 - 15 ft-lbs or so. Make sure all the caps have gone down into their register shells. At that point you can spin the crank, and tap it gently on both the front and the rear, to seat the thrust surfaces evenly. Tighten the bolts to 30 ft-lbs, the crank should get easier to spin; tighten them to 50, as you tighten each one, it should get a little easier to spin. When you get there, take your BFH, and give each cap a good solid whack, and tighten them again. You'll probably find that at least a couple loosened. Tighten them back to 50, then all the way, to 65 ft lbs.
Note the emphasis on cleanliness, NOT TOUCHING THE BEARINGS, slow and gradual tightening to spec WITHOUT OVER-TORQUING, and relieving the stress from the assembly so that the bolts don't loosen the first time the engine runs hard
You're looking for the main journal diameter plus the thickness of the main shell plus .002" or so of oil clearance to equal the main bore, and likewise for the rods.
Cleanliness is the first order of business. By the time you are assembling the motor, the crank should have been to the car wash, and washed with brushes in the holes and stuff, to get out any particles that might be hiding in there. Wipe the main journals with a lint-free towel, and use spray can carb cleaner last of all, to wash the oil holes and the main journals. DO NOT touch the main journals after this last flush.
First thing to do is put the rear main seal in both the block and the cap. DO NOT use sealer on the back of it; instead, use a small amount of white lithium grease, just a light smear, on the metal parts. Use the little plastic guide tool they give you, and put the seal in end-wise, pushing it around the seal bore from the end; DO NOT just jam it straight on. How you put that seal in is very important, if you want a leak-free motor. Leave it with about ¼" sticking up at one end of each, such that when you assemble it, the split in the bearing doesn't line up with the split in the block. Smear a very light smear of white lithium grease on the seal surface (both halves of the seal) where it meets the crank.
Wear vinyl (not latex) gloves such as you can get at hardware and paint stores. Take the main bearings out of their boxes, lay them in clean lacquer thinner in a shallow pan or something WITHOUT TOUCHING THEM; clean the block and the cap saddles one last time with a lint-free towel and lacquer thinner; lift them by their outside surface at the very edges where they meet, and place them carefully in the block saddles WITHOUT TOUCHING THE BEARINGS; do the same with the other half and the caps WITHOUT TOUCHING THE BEARINGS; put a couple of drops of ATF or 10W-30 synthetic motor oil on each block shell; lay the crank in. I like to use a small squirt type oil can for the lube so I can control how much I use, and avoid getting oil on things that seal, and committing other such unclean acts while building a motor.
Put a drop of gorilla snot on the very ends of the seal, and a light smear of silicone on the rear cap surfaces of the block, especially the one toward the oil filter side, making sure to get a little bit into the very corner of the register step, all the way from the crankcase to the outside world. One at a time, put a couple of drops of lube on the exposed main journals; place the caps in place; put some assembly lube or white lithium grease on the bolt threads and thread them in; and tighten all of them to 10 - 15 ft-lbs or so. Make sure all the caps have gone down into their register shells. At that point you can spin the crank, and tap it gently on both the front and the rear, to seat the thrust surfaces evenly. Tighten the bolts to 30 ft-lbs, the crank should get easier to spin; tighten them to 50, as you tighten each one, it should get a little easier to spin. When you get there, take your BFH, and give each cap a good solid whack, and tighten them again. You'll probably find that at least a couple loosened. Tighten them back to 50, then all the way, to 65 ft lbs.
Note the emphasis on cleanliness, NOT TOUCHING THE BEARINGS, slow and gradual tightening to spec WITHOUT OVER-TORQUING, and relieving the stress from the assembly so that the bolts don't loosen the first time the engine runs hard
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what tools do you need for measuring the clearances the correct way? I always hear people talking about using mics and stuff for clearances rather than plastigauge, but never the specifics of what tools to buy.
This kind of talk makes me want to have my engine put together by a shop, cause i don't feel confident anymore.
This kind of talk makes me want to have my engine put together by a shop, cause i don't feel confident anymore.
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Now I'm more confused, In another post I asked the same question and someone said that there isn't a feeler gauge for rod and main bearings, and I should use plastigauge.
So which is it? Plastigauge, feeler gauge, mics...? I'm more confused.
So which is it? Plastigauge, feeler gauge, mics...? I'm more confused.
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well wizard...when are you doing your rebuild i can help you...i dont know how far union city is from sac...
in my engine rebuilding class at college ase cert... we spent a good time trying to proove plastigauges reliability... we used every method of measurment for clearences guess what??? platigauge wasnt off one bit when used correctly thats the keyword.
for instance when measuring con rods clearences only put oil on the bottom half of the bearing no oil goes on the side with the plastigauge thats where people commonly mess up...i have my work sheets from that class still im a believer in plastigauge
in my engine rebuilding class at college ase cert... we spent a good time trying to proove plastigauges reliability... we used every method of measurment for clearences guess what??? platigauge wasnt off one bit when used correctly thats the keyword.
for instance when measuring con rods clearences only put oil on the bottom half of the bearing no oil goes on the side with the plastigauge thats where people commonly mess up...i have my work sheets from that class still im a believer in plastigauge
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