What's wrong with this pic???
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What's wrong with this pic???

look close. I am still scratching my head to why they would build a motor up like that but skimp on one very important detail.
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this could be during the break-in period for his engine (cam in particular). If you use headers to break-in your cam it will dull out the shine and make them a little weaker.
A lot of people use stock manifolds in order to break their new engines in, and then switch over to headers shortly after.... guy probably got ahead of himself
A lot of people use stock manifolds in order to break their new engines in, and then switch over to headers shortly after.... guy probably got ahead of himself
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Originally posted by sellmanb
this could be during the break-in period for his engine
this could be during the break-in period for his engine
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Follow the pic link back and that is it. no more work is being done on it. Complete and ready to go. MTV built it for new kids on the block.
I bet after them stock manifold there is a $5000 exhaust system.
I bet after them stock manifold there is a $5000 exhaust system.
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Huh, never heard of that before. I can see how he coulda got ahead of himself tho, I mean who wouldnt rush and grab their camera when something like that is sitting in their engine bay??
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I do not know any of the flow numbers for stock manifolds but it would scare me to have so much input, with so little out put.
I can see doom looming over head. Espically if it had/has NOS.
I can see doom looming over head. Espically if it had/has NOS.
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Looks like a typical "show car" motor..... "I got more sqaure inches of chrome and polish sticking out of my hood than you do!!!" How much you want to bet that's some stock L03 or L05 underneath all that, down where it's harder to see? Classic example of "all show and no go".
It does look like it might actually run and drive though, even if not all you'd expect from having a 4-71 on top of it; it does have a Hydroboost on it.
It does look like it might actually run and drive though, even if not all you'd expect from having a 4-71 on top of it; it does have a Hydroboost on it.
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Roots motors aren't as sensitive to exhaust as NA motors are.
Good ol' boy engine builder who races his '37 Chevy pickup with huffed 383 at Bandimere uses cleaned-up rams horns. Says steel tube headers can't take the heat and don't make it run that much better. Gets more change/improvement by changing pulleys. Last I saw he was running 13.20's up here, thing weighs 3700 lbs goind down the track. Other details: runs cast pistons; mixes 1 gal kerosene to 9 gal premium (says it prevents detonation and lubes the rotors); sets the TH350 govenor so it shifts itself rather than manually shifting; drives the truck to the track; drove it to Topeka in 2001 for the Div V finals; won "best engineered" at the 2002 Div V finals; uses it to haul trash to the dump during the week...
Good ol' boy engine builder who races his '37 Chevy pickup with huffed 383 at Bandimere uses cleaned-up rams horns. Says steel tube headers can't take the heat and don't make it run that much better. Gets more change/improvement by changing pulleys. Last I saw he was running 13.20's up here, thing weighs 3700 lbs goind down the track. Other details: runs cast pistons; mixes 1 gal kerosene to 9 gal premium (says it prevents detonation and lubes the rotors); sets the TH350 govenor so it shifts itself rather than manually shifting; drives the truck to the track; drove it to Topeka in 2001 for the Div V finals; won "best engineered" at the 2002 Div V finals; uses it to haul trash to the dump during the week...
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As I said earlier, all show & no go.
That's pretty creative there, Photochopping it onto a pic of a car museum... the least they could have done would have been to create some shadows under the tires and added a few other of that sort of details to keep it from looking so unnatural.
That's pretty creative there, Photochopping it onto a pic of a car museum... the least they could have done would have been to create some shadows under the tires and added a few other of that sort of details to keep it from looking so unnatural.
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Can't say I like that car... a little too much IMO... and is that a Lamborghini wing on the back? and what the heck, is that also a spoiler on the hood?
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Originally posted by RB83L69
Looks like a typical "show car" motor..... "I got more sqaure inches of chrome and polish sticking out of my hood than you do!!!"
Looks like a typical "show car" motor..... "I got more sqaure inches of chrome and polish sticking out of my hood than you do!!!"
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Also what is the hose that is darn near rubbing on the blower belt??? Look like the stock fuel line with a T in it???
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Originally posted by Air_Adam
Looks like they've been getting much hotter than normal too.
Looks like they've been getting much hotter than normal too.
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Actually, I took a closer look; those are oil cooler lines. You can see one of the lines coming up from the oil filter pad area. It's not real obvious what the "T" is all about; unless that's how he's oiling the blower.
All of the plumbing is pretty hacked; look at the line laying on top of the carb, those oil lines of course all over in front of the blower belt, etc. All in all, looks to me like one of those "show car motors", where the stone-stock LG4 under all that chrome is never really meant either to run more than on & off the trailer, or to have the hood off.
The mere fact that there's a blower sitting up on it, doesn't guarantee that it's fast.
All of the plumbing is pretty hacked; look at the line laying on top of the carb, those oil lines of course all over in front of the blower belt, etc. All in all, looks to me like one of those "show car motors", where the stone-stock LG4 under all that chrome is never really meant either to run more than on & off the trailer, or to have the hood off.
The mere fact that there's a blower sitting up on it, doesn't guarantee that it's fast.
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Looks like he has the booster vacuum line going up to the carb base.
Wonder why you have to have power steering with the hydroboost? Why wouldn't it be acceptable to just have a power steering pump to supply pressure to the booster only?
Wonder why you have to have power steering with the hydroboost? Why wouldn't it be acceptable to just have a power steering pump to supply pressure to the booster only?
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Originally posted by five7kid
Roots motors aren't as sensitive to exhaust as NA motors are.
Roots motors aren't as sensitive to exhaust as NA motors are.
[quote][b]Good ol' boy engine builder who races his '37 Chevy pickup with huffed 383 at Bandimere uses cleaned-up rams horns. Says steel tube headers can't take the heat and don't make it run that much better.
He needs to quit running lean or rich to the point of combusting post-chamber, and he is giving up e.t., even in Bandimere's altitude.
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He's definately not running lean. He avoids that at all cost.
He knows he could probably run faster with something other than the rams horns. He's happy where he is. But, the engine certainly makes more power with the blower and rams horns than it would without the blower and with equal length long tube headers...
He knows he could probably run faster with something other than the rams horns. He's happy where he is. But, the engine certainly makes more power with the blower and rams horns than it would without the blower and with equal length long tube headers...
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Yep that stock Rad might be a problem. Doesn't look any biggest then my V6 one.
But what ever that line is, it needs zip tied back some from that belt.
I just can't see someone getting a car like that and not driving it. And as a show cars it sub par. Who would stick their name on that and want it shown???
Car show folks would be allot harsher then us and would probably find worse problems with a closer look.
Things like this reminds me why some people would be better off smoking crack.
But what ever that line is, it needs zip tied back some from that belt.
I just can't see someone getting a car like that and not driving it. And as a show cars it sub par. Who would stick their name on that and want it shown???
Car show folks would be allot harsher then us and would probably find worse problems with a closer look.
Things like this reminds me why some people would be better off smoking crack.
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