okay let me make this a little easier/updated..

i made a post the other day:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=264903
and i didnt get much response, so here is my problem with more details.

PLEASE I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY ADVICE, I MEAN ANNNNNNYYYYYYY


1. i went to drive, started it up fine, no problems, backed up maybe 5-8 feet, stalled out, put car in park.

2. tried starting it, was turning over but not starting, starter made a little bit different than normal sound (that i noticed)

3. i push the car into the parking space, try starting it again, cranks but does not start.

4. i wait about 5 minutes, tried starting, and NOTHING happend, like there was no electricity or something, battery meter was at 1/4 mark.

5. got angry...

6. came back next day with jumper cables, attached them, had friend put his cars rpms to 2000, waited about 3 minutes, tried starting, the engine had the same amount of effort to turn over without the jumper cables, sprayed starting fluid into intake (a very good amount..) did not start.

7. came back today, tried starting, didnt start, took the battery in to autozone, they tested/charged it for me, brought it back a few hours later (i had things i needed to get done) put the battery back in and tried starting, same thing.

8. a friend noticed that my belt really wasnt moving too fast

9. took spark plug wire off, noticed a blue spark, the edges of the spark were orange, and the spark wasnt TOO briliant.

10. ive come down to it has to be the starter, or somewhere in the distributor, i also have fuel pressure, i checked for that also by pressing the release to see if it shot gas, so its not my fuel pump

there are 3 things an engine needs to work, air, gas, and electricity

it has air, it has gas(plus ether), and there is spark, so what am i stuck with?
whats wrong with my car, my battery is good, the roter and cap in my distributor are new, and yeah, this sucks.

why i think it might be the starter is because when i try to start it over it has more effort in certain parts of the cycle
like think of this as the engine trying to start (this might be dumb, but gives an idea..)

...>>>.....>>>........>>>>>.......>>>>>

i mean its not a significant difference, but its there, and when there are >>>'s, the exhaust sounds like its ALLMOST starting, but thats just the exhaust

my starter or flywheel have bad spots on them because everyonce in a while when i try to start it sounds like metal spinning really fast touching other metal but not grinding,

i think its my starter gear, maybe too many teeth are missing so when it hits that spot on the gear it skips over and isnt turning the engine, causing it to not be able to start because it doesnt have enough oomph


please it would be great if i could get ANY input

im lost, and this is my cry for help, i dont have the money to bring it into a shop/towing and my car is stranded in an office building parking lot about 20 miles away, please help.

thank you very much.

Blair

 

oh yeah, i have an 1986 305 tpi camaro, if that helps.

 

there are 3 things an engne needs to run a/f mixture, spark and compression. have you tried testing the starting system? use a spark tester to test spark not just a old plug.

 

Go get your starter checked, Autozone.

 

Personally, I think the problem is related to, "...the haunted house that i work at"...

 

I'm with five7kid

Anyways, this is almost obvious.... your starter isnt getting enough electricity to turn over. Where does that electricity come from? Your battery! Why wont your battery charge up after your friend tried to charge it with his car? Because the battery cannot hold a charge (it's beyond dead).

I understand that you dont have the tools to take out your battery in order to take it Advanced Auto or whatever auto parts store you have locally... but if you want to own a 3rd gen for very long then I suggest investing in a decent ratchet set. They will pay themselves off in only a couple uses (I like to get quotes from the dealerships before I do something to my car, just to justify to myself the cost of buying new tools to do the job).

In simpler terms. It's your battery

 

Could be a corroded connection at the battery or any junction along the way to the starter. Or any of the ground paths.

 

Actually, he posted above that he took his battery to AutoZone and they checked/charged it.

I still think the battery is suspect though. No way of knowing how much of a charge the battery had on it when he got it back to the car...I've seen failed batteries that charge up to 12VDC just fine while they're on the charger...soon as you take 'em off, they lose voltage again.

I'd scrounge a loaner batt that has side posts, drop it in temporarily just to rule the batt out as the cause. Or just bite the bullet and buy a new one, given you don't know how old the current one is.

 

yeah it looks really old too (the battery)

today, i bought an ignition spark tester,
followed the easy directions and it was a pretty
weak spark, so im replacing the coil tomorrow,
the battery thing still isnt ruled out, i know, so its
still suspect, the starter, also suspect, but since the
spark is weak im going to get a new coil to HOPEFULLY
resolve that problem

and yeah, the haunted house is the funnest damn job on this earth, i made 4 girls pee themselves, and made countless amounts of grown teenage girls cry.

i love it, and its under the table too!

 

i would get my starter checked out, but i dont have jack stands and its sitting 20 miles away from my house, and im not trusting an 18 year old jack with my life, plus i have aftermarket exhaust and it goes over the starter, i hope to *** i dont have to take off the exhaust :|

 

And guess where the coil gets its voltage to make the spark while you're cranking. The battery.

 

WaaX, dont waste your money on a new coil. Get yourself a new battery. You've said several times that yours is old, and that you even suspect it. A dieing battery can cause all kinds of funky things to happen. I'll bet 5 dollars that if you get a new battery that it will be solved.

 

...or you'll get five dollars off your new battery.

When you get the battery cables off, check for corrosion. Follow the negative (ground) cable back to the block, and check/clean that as well.

 

bet him please, so you can get $5...you'll make the $5 back.

 

ahhh

thankfully i read this forum after i checked out my car again today

i put in the new coil (only 16 bucks) hooked up jumper cables and gave it a go, still the same thing, okay..

try starting it maybe 3 or 4 more times, then ZERO power, dead, gone..

let it charge for about 5 minutes

tried starting it, nothing..


buying a new battery tomorrow

>.<

 

okay i replaced the battery, same thing only with more kick..

well i have concluded it has got to be the starter, 100%, i can hear the engine ALMOST fire up everytime i hear the starter make a certain noise, and then while trying to start it today the starter just started to spin free and then the engine stoped turning, so it has got to be the starter, FINALLY I FIGURED IT OUT!!!!

now i just have to buy a set of jack stands, and a new starter...

WOOOOOOO

 

What I think some people are missing here is that the starter has been turning the motor over (am I correct)?? You mentioned in your other thread that you used an entire can of starting fluid?? I think you just killed your starter, if its been turning the motor, you have another problem.

 

It's tough to tell what he's trying to say. If you check the other thread, the engine wasn't even turning over at various points.

 

timing chain....new starter sound=compression difference+crappy 305 chains.

you owe me 5 dollars