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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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Series of random questions

1. How do I set up the electric choke on a TBI-to-carb swap for an Edelbrock 1406 (carter style)?

2. When I pull the linkage back, does the Edelbrock 1406 open completely, or do the secondaries come open with more vacuum? The secondary flap barely opens, and cannot move any further when the primary butterflies are open all the way. I can take video to show anyone if they would like to see. The carb is brand new out of the box.

3. How do you pull a motor that's locked up? Do I have to take the tranny out with it?

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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 03:16 PM
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oh yeah #4, what did you people do to get the linkage to match up? pics?




this probably should have gone in Carb forum but...
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Token
1. How do I set up the electric choke on a TBI-to-carb swap for an Edelbrock 1406 (carter style)?

2. When I pull the linkage back, does the Edelbrock 1406 open completely, or do the secondaries come open with more vacuum? The secondary flap barely opens, and cannot move any further when the primary butterflies are open all the way. I can take video to show anyone if they would like to see. The carb is brand new out of the box.

4. How do you pull a motor that's locked up? Do I have to take the tranny out with it?
As for "#4-A" (the first #4), you'll either have to remove the entire unit, or break the engine free so you can get all the converter bolts out.

#2. I'm not familiar with the Edelbrock 1406, but a Carter AFB needs vacuumn for the secondaries to operate.

#1. Electric choke power should be run from either the alternator controlled relay or the aux oil pressure switch. That way, it will only power when the engine is running, not just when the ignition is on.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Vader
#1. Electric choke power should be run from either the alternator controlled relay or the aux oil pressure switch. That way, it will only power when the engine is running, not just when the ignition is on.
Thanks, Vader. That was quick.

But where are these two little guys located? I wish I knew more about carbs.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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Re: Series of random questions

Originally posted by Token
2. When I pull the linkage back, does the Edelbrock 1406 open completely, or do the secondaries come open with more vacuum? The secondary flap barely opens, and cannot move any further when the primary butterflies are open all the way.
The secondaries won't open when the choke is closed.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:21 PM
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The secondaries won't open when the choke is closed.
I noticed that after posting this... When does the choke open? All the time the car is running? Only under WOT? when? lol
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:23 PM
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The choke opens after the coil has warmed up enough to open it.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Apeiron
The choke opens after the coil has warmed up enough to open it.
okay so I shouldn't be concerned when I first fire up the motor and the car doesn't immediately open all four?
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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No, but you should be worried if the choke doesn't start to open shortly after starting.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by Apeiron
No, but you should be worried if the choke doesn't start to open shortly after starting.
Alright I'll keep note of that. You've been on top of all of my questions, awesome. What do I do to link this out-of-the-box brand new 1406 to my existing linkage? any idea?
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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Put the studs in the throttle arm and connect the cables. Make sure you check your TV cable geometry and do whatever you have to do to make it right.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Apeiron
Put the studs in the throttle arm and connect the cables. Make sure you check your TV cable geometry and do whatever you have to do to make it right.
it came with one little stud, and I don't know which it's for... TV or throttle. But in either case, both are critical
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:36 PM
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Your local speed shop will have the studs you need, or you can take them off your factory throttle arm.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Apeiron
Your local speed shop will have the studs you need, or you can take them off your factory throttle arm.
well i'm converting from TBI for this project, but yeah I'd assume you can get these things anywhere.




any clue what wire is the "tach wire?" I thikn it's the white one, right next to the pink one.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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Pink wire is +12v, white wire is for the tach.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Apeiron
Pink wire is +12v, white wire is for the tach.
Perfect! just what I thought
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Old May 10, 2005 | 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by Vader
#1. Electric choke power should be run from either the alternator controlled relay or the aux oil pressure switch. That way, it will only power when the engine is running, not just when the ignition is on.

Hey Vader, gravedigging an old post;
where are these relays located? Which would you prefer?
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Old May 10, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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In the inconvenience center under the dash.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by Apeiron
In the inconvenience center under the dash.





another random *** question...
setting timing on the vac-adv dist, I just pinch off the hose, right? or do I just pull it off and plug it?
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