Starter has to be easier than this...
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From: Tigard, Oregon
Car: '86 Berlinetta
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700R4
Starter has to be easier than this...
So I did an intake swap from my old LG4 intake on my 350, to a ZZ4 intake. The car started just fine before the intake swap.
After the intake swap I turn the key and I get a continuous "click click click". It sounds like something is extending, but not actually trying to turn the motor.
Things I've done to try to fix the problem:
Got a new LT1 Starter (the old starter had a huge crack all around the housing, thought I fixed the problem with this one!)
Tightened all the grounds that I could find to their "proper" locations (I took grounds as I saw them and attached them to the back of the heads, one on the alternator bracket/waterpump)
Recharged the battery
Taken spark plugs out
Put one shim on to see if it made a difference.
Replaced the battery terminal bolts.
I even turned the motor by hand to make sure it was not siezed.
Nothing I do seems to make a difference.
If it sounded like it was atleast trying to turn the motor then I would be more inclined to believe it was a shimming issue. Instead it sounds like a series of clicks.
Do I need more shimming? More grounding? What else is there for me to do? I didnt think an intake swap would screw with my starter so bad! lol.
Thanks in advanced
After the intake swap I turn the key and I get a continuous "click click click". It sounds like something is extending, but not actually trying to turn the motor.
Things I've done to try to fix the problem:
Got a new LT1 Starter (the old starter had a huge crack all around the housing, thought I fixed the problem with this one!)
Tightened all the grounds that I could find to their "proper" locations (I took grounds as I saw them and attached them to the back of the heads, one on the alternator bracket/waterpump)
Recharged the battery
Taken spark plugs out
Put one shim on to see if it made a difference.
Replaced the battery terminal bolts.
I even turned the motor by hand to make sure it was not siezed.
Nothing I do seems to make a difference.
If it sounded like it was atleast trying to turn the motor then I would be more inclined to believe it was a shimming issue. Instead it sounds like a series of clicks.
Do I need more shimming? More grounding? What else is there for me to do? I didnt think an intake swap would screw with my starter so bad! lol.
Thanks in advanced
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Check your grounds, maybe you missed one....
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Thanks Nixon1, I will have to go and check that out.
Is an aluminum intake more resistant to being grounded to/through than an iron one? This is the only thing I could think of since I have more grounds actually attached now, than I did before the intake swap, so it is rather frusterating.
While I did the intake swap I also took a lot of wires out of their looms so I could re-arrange the wires properly, but I havent re-loomed them since this problem occured, I'll have to make sure that none of those wires are grounding out on a header or something.
Thanks for the encouragement... that's pretty much all I need aside from some good advice
Is an aluminum intake more resistant to being grounded to/through than an iron one? This is the only thing I could think of since I have more grounds actually attached now, than I did before the intake swap, so it is rather frusterating.
While I did the intake swap I also took a lot of wires out of their looms so I could re-arrange the wires properly, but I havent re-loomed them since this problem occured, I'll have to make sure that none of those wires are grounding out on a header or something.
Thanks for the encouragement... that's pretty much all I need aside from some good advice
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I imagine aluminum wouldn't ground for crap, being that it's non-conductive..... Could always try relocating the ground, even temporarily, just to see if it helps...
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Originally posted by 8Mike9
Aluminun is highly conductive, grounding to the new intake should not be a problem.
Aluminun is highly conductive, grounding to the new intake should not be a problem.
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Originally posted by 8Mike9
Yep.
Lol...see what happens when you give up on GM's and go brand "F"
?
Yep.
Lol...see what happens when you give up on GM's and go brand "F"
?
And actually I'm domestic without prejudice, I just found *brand F* easier to work on, cheaper, and more practical for what I wanted to do.I'm kinda drunk, so I have an excuse. I believe I was thinking of magnetism, rather than conductivity.
So anyways back on topic.... You got the starter/solenoid assembly as a whole, correct? It's possibly a defective part...I mean if the thing is properly grounded, and batt is charged and good...there's no reason for it not to crank the motor, ESPECIALLY with the spark plugs out.
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I too have a few "F" things...I just don't tell anyone
Back to the original poster, were you listening to the stereo in the car for a few hours during the swap?
None of the small ground wires should cause you to not get enough voltage to spin the engine over. I'd bet on the large ground you disconnected, or the battery drained.

Back to the original poster, were you listening to the stereo in the car for a few hours during the swap?
None of the small ground wires should cause you to not get enough voltage to spin the engine over. I'd bet on the large ground you disconnected, or the battery drained.
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I agree. Go over all the connections again, make sure all the grounds are clean, the contact surfaces are good, etc. That means even that little strap from the solenoid to the starter motor casing.
If all the connections are good and whatnot, I would say check voltage at the S terminal.
If all the connections are good and whatnot, I would say check voltage at the S terminal.
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Thanks for the advice, I am thinking about replacing all the wires leading to the starter. I jacked the motor up a little bit and the starter worked perfectly, so I'm guessing it's either a stray ground wire, or one of the wires isnt making proper connection to the starter and when it gets pulled away a little it seats better. I'll have to give it a nice long look over.
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