Ok, we all know that although tpi promotes low end torque, it really kills the top end. 5.0 m*****gs rev to 6500 stock (right?). I have no idea if this would work or not, but as an alternative to super ram or miniram, would it be possible to adapt a m*****g 5.0 intake manifold to a third gen 305 (or 350)? I'm thinking of an Edelbrock or Edelbrock RPM intake.

Obviously there are possible problems such as
1)would it even fit? They are both 90* V-8s so that's a start. However, I don't know the heights of either the chevy or the ford.
2)is there room for an air filter and a hose/pipe to the intake?
3)hood clearance? Could it work with a cowl hood?
4)I have a 91 formula WS6 305 tpi. I don't know where the MAP sensor is. I also don't know which 5.0s used speed density and which ones used MAF. For those of us with 90-92 cars, the manifold would have to be compatible with speed density, unless you want to convert to MAF--I don't. But like I said, I don't even know for sure where the MAP is, although I think I remember that it is in the intake manifold.

Sacreligious, yes. But if it worked, you could put a mallory billet throttle body plate on the intake somewhere. http://www.mbaproducts.com/ They have a LOT of really nice looking plates.

Any ideas?

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Oh man i hope you're kidding.

This is seriously the funniest thing i have read all day. Thank you for 'injecting' some levity into my boring day.

 

I'm serious. I don't know that I would do it. I'm just wondering if it would be possible as an alternative to the incredibly expensive superram or miniram (I am aware that they are for different purposes).

Besides, after you beat a m*****g, you could just make sure you don't let him ever see under your hood. The engine is still a chevy!

 

Huh? Is your name Rodney by any chance?

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well, if u have enought money, anything is possible, although I know of know kits to do this, so u would have to have this custom made.
However if you ran your stock tpi 350 to 6500 rpm, you wour burn your pistons and thrown a rod bearing.
The Messed Up Sh*t That Aint No Good can run high rpms becuz a lot of them came from the factory with forged pistons, and they also have a shorter stroke.

 

Well I don't find it funny. Amazing how a moderator can be so close minded. All he did was respond to say how funny it was, call that a moderator? I don't think so. Anyway, its interesting, I have no clue if the Stang intake would work, try it if ya want, no big deal.

 

No it wont work. Not even close.

Youd be better off starting with a tube of JB Weld, using a cardboard box as a mold, and then creating an upper out of that to bolt to the TPI lower.

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Whoa there!! No need to flame, I just asked a question

Joshua Leslie, I hadn't even thought about the shorter stroke issue, but you could install forged pistons. Biochem, no my name is not Rodney.

ChevyLuva3, thanks for the support. I don't think it's funny, either. I just happened to think of it and I didn't know if anyone had thought of doing that before.

I am a f-body guy all the way, I was just wondering. Sorry mustang guys, but although I can respect a fast mustang, I really don't like them--they are ugly, made by ford don't sound as good, in most cases aren't as quick/fast (stock), and they are UGLY.

In spite of what I just said, I don't want this to turn into a chevy vs. ford insult war because I know that there are mustang guys on the board.

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Did i ever tell you about my plan to make custom siamesed runners? It was a good one, i'll catch you on IM later maybe...

 

lol
yea late. Im at school now.

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Ummm, no. The intake wont support it in stock trim among other things, besides that the stock ECM will shut the fun down before you hit that point anyway.

Adapt a Ford intake to a Chevy... thats funny. Guess you havent looked too closely at one or the other.

 

Why would you even think about putting a ford (mustang) intake on your chevy engine, when if you want an inexpensive miniram alternative, we have the LT1 intake. Do a search, or just look in the tpi forum. This would be cheaper easier, and you know it will work because John Millican already worked out the swap. Go to his homepage for complete modification instructions.

 

hey, like I've said twice, it was just an idea--a bad one apparently. I know about the LT1 swap. Now someone will read this and wonder why I thought about the ford intake when the LT1 is available. Well, like I also said, I just thought of this and didn't know if anyone had ever considered it. I just thought I'd see what you guys thought.

And no, I haven't ever looked at a ford 302 to know it's a bad idea.

 

You moderators are supposed to be setting an example for everyone not flamming peoples honest ideas.
It is probably possible to do but not worth it as I am sure they dont share the same bolt pattern, port style, water passages, etc. (Course people also said it was impossible to make an LT1 intake work on a TPI, and laughed at the idea) You would need a complete custim intake and then the price wouldn't be worth it. Here is another laugh for you guys. I have always wanted to try making a plenum to fit a dual-quad style intake,

but until I win the lottery or own my own machine shop, thats not going to happen.

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lol, we didn't flame him, we laughed at him. Seriously, it is the funniest thing i have read on these boards this month, for MANY MANY reasons. If i start listing them i'll start laughing out loud again.

To go over what you said, umm, many people in the know were not laughing at the idea of an LT1 intake on a SBC. Nothing about what john did was that revolutionary, he just actually did it instead of looking at it and dreaming. I've seen LT1 HEADS adapted to gen I blocks. Takes a lot of creative work, but can be done.
Same with your plenum idea on a tunnel ram, thats been done a thousand times over by now, not even difficult really.
But it isn't even fair to compare these to adapting the ford piece. Thats the most ludicrous thing i ever heard. EVEN IF you did the work to make it fit, it is still as bad if not worse than an LTR TPI set-up.

In other words, lighten up. Didn't you ever laugh at a buddy who got bad hair cut or wanted to run a leaf blower for a supercharger?

 

You know, I hadn't even thought of that. I'll bet that with a nice Ryobi or Weed Eater I could put some serious boost on my 305. Not only that, but if I got an electric blower, I could wire it to the battery (maybe use a second battery and a higher output alternator) so it wouldn't have the parasitic power loss that a REGULAR super charger carries with it. And forget supercharger whine--this blower with give me the only f-body to sound like both a V8 AND a ***** at the same time!

Ha, I'll have the coolest engine setup in the world and you will all be jealous

P.S. now, ed maher, this definitely the funniest post in a month, huh.

 

you don't know how close i was to trying this in my friends jeep over the weekend when we were playing with his gas powered leaf blower, but it ran out of gas so we just ran stuff over



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who else has strange crazy (maybe stupid in hindsight) ideas? Post them so we can all laugh

 

Cort351w,
Your screen name doesn't help you here. To me it seems like your a Ford guy. You know, 351 Windsor?

j/k

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I was wondering a while ago if this would ever come up. I built a Shelby Cobra replica with a 351 Windsor with my dad. Actually we are just finishing it up--interior. He works on it and I work on my 91 formula WS6, mostly. Anyway, I got my car about two months ago from a guy that had been storing it in his barn in Michigan. It's VERY nice and I just put twenty thousand actual miles (20,000 total--I only put the last 3,000 on it) on it last week. Anyway, I started using cort351w as my aol screen name about six months ago. Cort was taken, so I put the number on the end of it. I then used that as my ebay name, and a lot of other stuff. I use the same name everywhere so that I can actually remember it/don't have to remember several different names. I guess I ought to start putting my sig on messages so I don't look like a ford guy. Also, the engine is the ONLY ford part on that Shelby replica.

Hey, I just went back and looked the replies, you're the one who put the LT1 intake on the tpi motor, which I'm guessing was a 350. That's an accomplishment. How about this: I put this on some other post but oh well. When my 305 breaks down (in a long time), I want to put either an LS1 or an LT1 in instead. But whichever one I choose, I want to use a crank and other internals that make it a 302 instead. The new Motor Trend has an article about this with an LS1; there is a post at sethirdgen.org (.com?) about a 302 LT1 that has (I think) a 265 crank. Either one revs to 7,000, has really broad torque and hp curves, and the LS1 makes 350 rear wheel hp compared to the 280 rwhp that the stock LS1 puts out (obtained on a dyno in an article in the same issue of motor trend).

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testing sig

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ah, it didn't work

 

heh, i just read this post for the first time and to ME its funny! This is because I've taken apart chevy motors and ford V8s too, and I can tell you that other than both having two rows of four holes, they aren't a bit alike! almost like they were made on two different planets or something

 

If I remember correctly I believe stock ford 5.0s peaked in the mid to low 4000rpm range. The STOCK ford intake is the same as the TPI in theory(long tube runners) it just looks different. I think the aftermarket ones that allow higher RPMs, use a siamesing effect or somehow shorten the runners the same as a superram does.

Also the ford intake ports on the heads are evenly spread out, good luck making the two different types match up. Stock fords have the ablity to rev to 6000+ stock and so do you with a decent valve train, just neither of you (ford or chevyTPI) is making any power up there stock(hell I've seen my former 5.0 TBI car at 6800rpms in 2nd(70+mph), but I know it was slower than if I shifted into 3rd first). Pick up a summit catalog sometime and look at the ford heads and intakes vs the chevy ones.

Why people are laughing b/c 1st it's pointless(same problem as a TPI) and virtually impossible.

A side note, you spoke of wanting a 302, why? 7,000rpm will take about the same money is valvetrain parts regardless if it's a 302, 305, 350, 383. Maybe with a lot of boost=power 600+hp, with a shorter stroke you could get away with cheaper rods(better chance of engine life, etc.), but I doubt it. I would only build an engine under 350ci to be different or cost(302 negates that right off), the advantages are strongly outweighed by the lack of CI in a "built" street engine.

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I am not planning on actually trying to adapt the 5.0 intake to my 305 tpi, I promise

I want to put in a 302 CHEVY some day because I think it would be really cool. Yeah, it would cost, but I didn't say I want to rebuild my 305 on a tight budget after it breaks down in probably 10 years or so.

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