So I buy a new Alternator, it came with the wrong pulley. In the directions it says to switch of off the old alt.

I can get the pulley off the new alt, but BOTH of my old alts with the right pulley are simply impossible.

The one I can turn, but I can't get the ****ing shaft to stop turning to loosen the bolt. Nothing I have, no combo of wrenches ect will fit into the allen key hole and turn the f*cker at the same time.

I'm really ****ing pissed off right now at my car, because I just had to go spend my christmas money on that POS. I'm not getting it towed to a mech because they will rip me off, it's easy and dumb but I can't do it...

Penatrating oil don't work, blow mother f*cking torches don't work... I don't know what to do... can anyone help me? Or perhaps ship me the right pulley?

Well I've got to go... drive my moms POS Cutlass to work...

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Ok, and I have no clue how my topic came up like that, thats not what I typed... I'm ****ing dumb but I'm not that dislexic.

 

Chill out man, life aint ending....

The easiest is way with an impact gun. Just hold the fins with a rag and whack the thing with the air gun, pulls it right off.

With out air, it sounds like you just need to go buy the right allen to install into the shaft.

All the builders I know of these things install pulley bolts with air.

The other options is take to someone and give them a cold pack to switch it for you, or take it back to where you bought it and have them switch it.


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[This message has been edited by Engineboy (edited December 09, 2001).]

 

I had to do this a little while ago. I too didn't have th right tools to take it off.... Here's what I did:

Bolt the old alt to the engine where its supposed to go.

Jam a flat head screwdriver past the fins in to the alt housing

using the appropriate socket wrench to loosen the nut.... you'll have to put all your weight into it but it should come off (I'm 6'5" & weigh 275 so brute force always seems to be the way to go )

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Take it to the parts store where you bought the new alternator and ask them to get it off. Pretty much all stores keep an impact gun behind the counter...just for that.

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You guys misunderstand. I did the brute force thing. I'm 6 foot 220... I clamped it up in a vice, shoved a Craftsman big *** screwdriver in there and turned the f*cker with a 15/16 inch socket on a 3/4 inch drive... I bent the f*cking screwdriver. After shoving a crowbar in that POS and beating (literally -beating-) the socket handle with a sledge hammer it broke loose. I can finally turn the shaft without turning the pully, not after snapping half the fins off. Using an inpact gun while holding this with a rag will do nothing but tear your hand off... trust me.

As an update to this post, I went to some automotive stores during my break. #1 no one carries an allen key in the sizes big enough and #2, I can't find a stand-alone 15/16th inch open ended offset wrench. Sure, they come in the $200 sets, but f*ck that.

I'll try to find something to shove completely through the entire alternator (through the stator and everything) that way it doesn't turn, but it's definatly going to take some rigging. After I find something I'll bolt the thing back up and turn it... see what happends. Something tells me this ain't gunna be pretty. I'll keep you updated.

 

damn man, if things are that rough, buy a new pulley...

You'd be surprised what the impact wrench will handle... If you've got a bench vise, clamp the alternator in there, making sure that you've got it packed nice (so as not to damage the pulley) then get at it with the wrenches. It is a total pain the *** , but you'll get it, you just got to mellow out for a while...

-=-Mike

 

Take it back to the store where you bought it and have them swap it. I work at a parts store and I do it all the time for customers. At 5'4" and 120 I'm hardly the queen of brute force, yet I've never lost a battle with an alternator... using the impact, that is. And I haven't lost a hand or finger yet either.

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Originally posted by Xenodrgn:

Are you sure? 'Dislexic' is really spelled 'dyslexic'. Cheer up, just funnin ya.

 

I say it's the parts store's responsiblity to get the right pulley on there for you, or get the alt in with the right one already on it! I wouldn't even mess with it, unless it came WITHOUT a pulley at all! Since it came WITH a pulley, they should handle it!

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Never even got a nick from doing it this way for 20 years...guess I'm just lucky.



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Relax man. Your gonna need an impact. Take it to any local garage and have them whip it off for you and put it on th new alt., it will take 5 mins if that. I know at our shop we wouldn't charge anything for that, but even if the garage is a bunch of cheap bastards, i can't see them charging more than $5-10 bucks. Good luck.

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Thanks man, that actually made me laugh. I'll take it to a shop today and see what they can do. They'll laugh when they see this mangled mess.

On a lighter note, I got a new Accel coil today... hopefully that will solve my miss and help me out some... but only time will tell.

 

*** help you if you ever need to swap the pulley off a power steering pump! You'll be ripping your hair out in big clumps like Larry on the 3 Stooges.

Air tools are wonderful, but the reigning champ of getting stuck stuff off is HEAT! Works miracles. Break out the propane, heat up the pulley some and try again. Then light your smoke with the torch when the pulley pops off. You can thank me later.

No, you won't hurt the pulley.

 

Damon... read my post carefully:

blow mother f*cking torches don't work...

take out the curse words and it says "blow torches don't work"...

However, I got it off! I jammed a screwdriver in where the connector goes, rammed it through the stator, and then put my socket on the nut and beat the hell out of it with a hammer... came off rather easily.

Couple hours later I have a new alternator, and a new Accel ignition coil. I found some bad vacuum lines running with the EGR stuff so I replaced them, and I found a loose spark plug.

After all that, the car still has a damned idle miss... It pulls better and smoother, but the miss pisses me off. Time to go back to the drawing board. Thank you everyone for your help.

 

You obviously haven't a f***ing clue.
Sorry but its true. You would have been way ahead to get a so called professional ripoff artist to install it. If beating the F**K out of your new alternator was required to change the pulley, they would have included a sludge hammer with it.
Use an impact gun like the rest of the world does, next time.

 

They also make electric impact guns (~$180) for a good one like Dewalt, or rent them $10-15 a day. These are much more easily obtainable for those w/o compressors or the area(ie apt) and money for a compressor. I'm just responding b/c I was dreading my alt pulley when I touched it with a wrench last night and just started turning the engine over. Today I plugged in the electic impact gun and the nut came off before I could let go of the trigger. If you ever do headers, an impact gun (electric or air) will be a life saver. $180 is expensive, but is sure beats cursing and bloody knuckles and hours of wasted time. Consider every hour you spend on a bolt/nut worth like $40 and an impact gun will pay for itself very quickly. Hell I don't even have a set of open wrenches yet.

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No, obviously -you- don't have a ****ing clue.

Reread my original post please...

"I can get the pulley off the new alt, but BOTH of my old alts with the right pulley are simply impossible."

In other words: New new pulley came of pretty easy. The pullies on both my old alts were the tough part. Considering they both don't work, it wasn't a big deal to jam **** through them and bang. No harm done, except a bent screwdriver, but that was my fault... I didn't think I could bend a Craftsman screwdriver with my own brute strength. I bent that before I even clamped it, so half the energy was wasted on getting that thing to hold still.

Amazingly enough, the jap ripoff screwdriver I used the second time survived without a dent. My 3/4inch socket got a couple dents, but that was my own stupidity again, I didn't think to use a piece of wood inbetween the hammer and socket... I realized this halfway through the ordeal and got smart.


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