how to tell if i have a roller or non roller
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Car: 82 El Camino
Engine: built 355
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how to tell if i have a roller or non roller
im gonna be rebuilding my 350, but have no idea if its a roller or non roller, how can i tell?
the previous owner swapped in the 350, but has no idea what it came out of, he did say that the cam and heads were reused from the 305.
the previous owner swapped in the 350, but has no idea what it came out of, he did say that the cam and heads were reused from the 305.
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Car: Z28
Engine: Sb2.2 406
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Look at the tappets. If they have rollers on them, it's a roller. If they are flat, it's a flat.
What year is the engine? Is it a stocker?
What year is the engine? Is it a stocker?
i think tappet is a old school term-but as sonix said its a lifter connected to the rocker arm by a push rod...youll have to remove the intake to see if its roller or flat...btw when i built my current eng. i went with a nonroller and i still dont know what i was thinking...but it makes good power any way so dont sweat it too much unless your gonna race competitivly....tao
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From: Lexington, SC
Car: 1987 SC/1985 TA
Engine: 350/vortec/fitech
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9-bolt
Don't have to remove intake, factory rollers require a much shorter pushrod (approx. 7.2 inches vs. 7.8 inches).
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From: Lexington, SC
Car: 1987 SC/1985 TA
Engine: 350/vortec/fitech
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9-bolt
My vote is for roller. Less resistance, more horsepower. Downside: more expensive to retrofit a non-roller block.
Originally posted by taonindo
i think tappet is a old school term-but as sonix said its a lifter connected to the rocker arm by a push rod...youll have to remove the intake to see if its roller or flat...btw when i built my current eng. i went with a nonroller and i still dont know what i was thinking...but it makes good power any way so dont sweat it too much unless your gonna race competitivly....tao
i think tappet is a old school term-but as sonix said its a lifter connected to the rocker arm by a push rod...youll have to remove the intake to see if its roller or flat...btw when i built my current eng. i went with a nonroller and i still dont know what i was thinking...but it makes good power any way so dont sweat it too much unless your gonna race competitivly....tao
There is nothing wrong with a flat tappet setup, people have succesfully built massive amounts of HP around them for a long time.
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From: Lexington, SC
Car: 1987 SC/1985 TA
Engine: 350/vortec/fitech
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9-bolt
I'm running a flat tappet myself, mainly due to the downside: it would cost me more to swap over. Although I've got a roller block, I'd still have to buy more expensive lifters, spider and dog bones to convert. Cams are a little more expensive too.
Nothing wrong with flat tappet. One day I will swap over though.
Nothing wrong with flat tappet. One day I will swap over though.
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From: Mercedes Norte, Heredia, Costa Rica
Car: 1984 Z28 Hardtop
Engine: 383 Carb
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44
Originally posted by naf
Although I've got a roller block, I'd still have to buy more expensive lifters, spider and dog bones to convert. Cams are a little more expensive too.
Although I've got a roller block, I'd still have to buy more expensive lifters, spider and dog bones to convert. Cams are a little more expensive too.
Also with a roller if you decide to change cams all you need is a new cam.
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From: Lexington, SC
Car: 1987 SC/1985 TA
Engine: 350/vortec/fitech
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9-bolt
Yeah, I've already priced the TPI roller setup from the local cam/fb JY. It's on the list, but so many other things are too.
I'm also not so sure the benefit of a roller is all in reduced valve train friction. The increased ramp rates a roller allows require higher spring rates...
I'm also not so sure the benefit of a roller is all in reduced valve train friction. The increased ramp rates a roller allows require higher spring rates...
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Car: 91' Pontiac Firebird
Engine: LT1
Transmission: 4L60E
Is there a way to tell by looking ar the outside of the motor? Casting numbers or something? Like if I was walking through a junk yard, or at a swap meet or something. Something that doesnt require taking it apart? Thanks.
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From: Mercedes Norte, Heredia, Costa Rica
Car: 1984 Z28 Hardtop
Engine: 383 Carb
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44
Casting numbers will tell you if it's a roller block, but not necessarily that it has a roller cam.
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From: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
Car: '83 Z28, '07 Charger SRT8
Engine: 454ci, 6.1 Hemi
Transmission: TH350, A5
Axle/Gears: 2.73 posi, 3.06 posi
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if i use roller rockers will i need to switch to taller valve covers?
if i use roller rockers will i need to switch to taller valve covers?
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ive got a set of edelbrock covers, and am planning on using summit 1.6 roller rockers, on stock heads.
anyone else using those covers with 1.6 roller rockers
anyone else using those covers with 1.6 roller rockers
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Originally posted by deadhead1882
ive got a set of edelbrock covers, and am planning on using summit 1.6 roller rockers, on stock heads.
anyone else using those covers with 1.6 roller rockers
ive got a set of edelbrock covers, and am planning on using summit 1.6 roller rockers, on stock heads.
anyone else using those covers with 1.6 roller rockers
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