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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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I'm at a loss of words..

I replaced the oil pan a about a month ago.. never drove the car... 4th time starting the thing.. oil dripping out of the pan!!!!!! WTF! i know, i probably screwed up the oil pump because the gauge read zero and just when i put the new sensor in to start it up.. OIL!. now i gotta redo the WHOLE DAMN THING AGAIN...

am i alone.. how much does this suck!
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

You sure it's the pan?

Been to the car wash and sterilized it, so you can see EXACTLY where it's coming from?

Where is it appearing? Front, rear, left, right, all over?
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 09:49 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Why did you pull the pan?
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 10:09 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

I put a new pan + gasket in because when i bought the car the pan was shot.. idk i have a feeling the oil pump is messed up because i have no pressure... i was going be feel when i put this together.. my first time putting something like this together, i tightened the oil pump bolt all the way tight... i wonder if the pick-up tube is messed up.. AHHHHHH. It's hard to know what went wrong when i don't know how to put it right.. trial by fire.
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

If you pull the pump in the car you have to be really careful that it lines back up with the distributor when you re install .If it doesn't when you torque the oil pump back on it can press the oil pump shaft into the pump and the pump won't engage the dist . I found this out the hard way .
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 11:12 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

what happened.. i pretty sure thats what happened to me.. did you not have any oil pressure and did oil spill out of the pan.. because those are my symptoms.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

I've found it's easier to pull the whole motor and put it on a stand. Hard to mess it up that way. I would give that a wirl. Only a couple hours of your time.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

^ no stand or hoist.. i guess i gotta try it again.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

I think i found by problem... how much oil can leak out of the valve cover gaskets... because i think thats my problem.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Alot. but that does not explain ypur loss of oil pressure.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 02:28 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Thats what i figured.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Just because your gauge reads 0 does not mean you have no oil pressure. You said something about installing a new sensor? Was that for the oil pressure gauge? If so, that`s the place to look first.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Originally Posted by jimdutro
Just because your gauge reads 0 does not mean you have no oil pressure. You said something about installing a new sensor? Was that for the oil pressure gauge? If so, that`s the place to look first.
yea i was just installing a new sensor when i herd the oil fall to the floor.. i'm putting in new valve cover gaskets as we speak..
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Could my Distributor O- ring be the problem.. i was reading through some of the old threads and the leak was described as looking like a rear main ( which i thought it was) but POURING out, like mine is... is this possible? would this also explain my low oil pressure?
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

If this is a 305, it doesn't have an O-ring like the 6-cyls do. That's one of the few things I know about those.... my one little bro has one in his S truck, and he has to change it every few months to keep his truck from being the Exxon Valdez. In no case could it account for low oil pressure.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Originally Posted by Fastflyin89
Could my Distributor O- ring be the problem.. i was reading through some of the old threads and the leak was described as looking like a rear main ( which i thought it was) but POURING out, like mine is... is this possible? would this also explain my low oil pressure?
have you verified yet that you have low oil pressure?
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

i guess not completely because i bought a new sensor but didn't thread it all the way in because just when i was working on it i saw the oil leak.. its leaking from the top of the engine... not the oil pan.. I'm stumped i just replaced the drivers side valve cover gasket today.. tomorrow is the passenger.. i can't think of any other place on the top end construction that would leak oil this bad.. it's ruled out i don't have a distributor O- ring seal for i have a 305.. so idk..
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Piece of advice for your valve cover gaskets if they keep falling off the cover you are trying to install. Clean the valve covers and especially the lip the gasket goes on, make sure they are dry and then spray some 3M type spray adhesive on the gasket, let it tack up a little and then install it on the cover. Let it dry and it should stay on the cover when you install it. There may be some better adhesives for this I am not aware of. The purpose is to hold the gasket to the cover, not to act as a gasket sealer.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

I just put RTV blue down.. i was told that's what one was suppose to do.. i try the way you said for the passenger side.. so is it just the valve cover gaskets that's given me all this grief. + if the oil is leaking from the top of the engine doesnt that mean i have oil pressure.. the gauge might be shot idk
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

As I said earlier, the purpose of using the spray adhesive on the gasket is to hold it to the cover so it does not fall off when you install the cover. I am assuming that is what happened on the driver`s side and is why you are leaking oil. You may as well pull the driver`s side cover and check it out and reinstall it. The spray adhesive will not stick if there is any oil on the gasket or cover. Someone else may know of something that will work better. RTV will work if you wait until it is dry which takes awhile. If your engine had no oil pressure you should hear some lifter rattle so most likely your problem is the gauge, sender, ground or other connections. If your oil pressure was really 0, you would not have a major oil leak on top of the engine.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 02:27 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

The other thing to check is to make sure the adapter to the oil pressure sender isn't craked . I've seen that before . If you're getting oil to the top of the motor the pump has to get it there . The only other way is if the crankcase is full of water because the oil will float on top of the water .
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

This is one of the reasons I asked if you were sure it was the pan, and advised cleaning the motor up to be able to see...

See this thread for an idiot-proof (well, sofakingdom-proof, anyway... pretty close to idiot-proof) valve cover sealing procedure.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Will do.. man the drivers side valve cover is a pice a cake compared to the passenger side... damn emissions BS
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

i did my pass side valve cover last weekend, holy crap, i was so aggrivated that i told my g/f to just go home. (i had discovered a leak and had to fix it before i took her to the movie for our anniversary) she finally called me like two days ago ^^
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Better take care of her if she has been with you long enough for an anniversary.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Originally Posted by 92WhiteZ28
i did my pass side valve cover last weekend, holy crap, i was so aggrivated that i told my g/f to just go home. (i had discovered a leak and had to fix it before i took her to the movie for our anniversary) she finally called me like two days ago ^^
it would be easy if they didnt have the damn emissions BS on the manifolds.. i think i'm just gonna remove the alternator then slide it out that way.
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Old Mar 30, 2008 | 09:40 AM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

I would think that if you have oil pouring out of your valve covers then you have oil pressure. I can't think of any possible way for oil to get that high in the motor without being sent up there by the oil pump.
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Old Mar 30, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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Re: I'm at a loss of words..

Originally Posted by wrsjr
I would think that if you have oil pouring out of your valve covers then you have oil pressure. I can't think of any possible way for oil to get that high in the motor without being sent up there by the oil pump.
oil up there doesnt necessarily mean that it has the pressure required at the bearings.
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