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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 08:24 PM
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can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

Hi, I am looking to use a hyd. cam in a 1990 roller block..I will use roller lifters but looking to use a hyd cam. Do I need a different thrust place with the hyd cam?

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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

No, factory cams are hydraulic rollers.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

no I cant use the cam or no I dont need a new thrust plate?

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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

No you don't need new parts if you use an OE-style cam.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

so it does not have to be a roller cam?
thanks...I was puzzled because in the catalog Im looking at from elgin industries has a different section for roller cams and it references using the stock thrust plate only for the roller cams...Im confused as always.

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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

There are two types of roller cams... original-equipment-roller-type and retrofit-roller type.

Original-equipment-roller-type cams must be used in factory-roller blocks with the original-equipment-type retainer plate and matching timing set. They can't be used in non-roller blocks.

Retrofit-roller cams can be used in any block, provided that they're used with the old-style non-roller timing set and a thrust button or thrust bearing.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 10:37 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

if you are asking if you can run a hydraulic flat tappet cam in a roller block, the answer is yes. GM actually did that with some of the late 80's, early 90's truck blocks.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:04 AM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

But if you're asking if you can use a hydraulic flat tappet cam in that block with your original roller lifters, no, you can't do that.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 09:37 AM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

Boy, what a mess... ok, 4 types of cams:

hydraulic flat tappet
solid flat tappet
hydraulic roller
solid roller

Notice how there are TWO hydraulic cams? Ok, now that we're clear on that.. You have a hydraulic ROLLER cam factory in that block (or it should). Do you want to run a hydraulic FLAT TAPPET ? Key words here are roller or FLAT TAPPET. They're all hydraulic. Solids are more of a race only style of part, not the everyday norm sorta thing.

If you want to downgrade to a flat tappet, you need matching lifters and pushrods, but yes you can do it. I'd recommend you stick with roller stuff though....
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 01:57 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

Hey SONIX thanks for the clarification...I think I am going to use roller cam and lifters to avoid having to take it apart again if something doesnt fit right or seems right but isnt if you know what i mean....Reinventing the wheel is something Im not up for and taking it apart again isnt high on my list of weekend activities....thanks again everyone.

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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

If one converted would you have to get different length tappet pushrods then on a engine taht was a tappet engine stock? Thanks for the wisdom.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

They're all "tappet engines"... a tappet is a lifter.

If you change between factory roller, retro roller or flat, the pushrod length will change.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 10:16 PM
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Re: can I use a hyd cam in a roller block

I think he was asking if he could use roller tappets on a flat tappet cam,
that's a HUGE no no. Sonic got it.

I would NEVER move from roller to flat tappet.

Metal, Yes.

Last edited by xch3no2; Nov 7, 2010 at 10:22 PM.
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