Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

350 roller cam install help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-23-2017, 04:40 PM
  #1  
Junior Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
91rs1022's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Caro, Michigan
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 89 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 5 Speed
350 roller cam install help

I just picked up a tbi 350, I'm wondering if I could install my roller cam from my TPI 305 into this block. It looks like I just need to drill the 3 holes for the spider to mount on. Has anyone done this?
Attached Thumbnails 350 roller cam install help-img_0154.jpg  
Old 02-23-2017, 04:58 PM
  #2  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
sofakingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 26,051
Received 1,672 Likes on 1,269 Posts
Car: Yes
Engine: Usually
Transmission: Sometimes
Axle/Gears: Behind me somewhere
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Yes you can do that.

Just be careful not to go too deep: the "spine" running down the middle of the block is the main oil passage feeding the oil to all the crank (main & rod) and cam bearings.

You may also have to drill & tap the cam retainer bolt holes.
Old 02-23-2017, 04:59 PM
  #3  
Junior Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
91rs1022's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Caro, Michigan
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 89 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 5 Speed
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Any idea on how far down? What happens if I go too deep?
Old 02-23-2017, 06:47 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
zed-028's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Perth Western Australia
Posts: 517
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Car: 1987 Z28 Camaro
Engine: 305 LG4 4bbl
Transmission: TH700R4
Re: 350 roller cam install help

wouldnt have thought you would have to tap the retainer holes, the block architecture should be the same for all roller blocks. So as long as both blocks are roller cam blocks this shouldnt be an issue.

With regards to the actual install itself, look for some youtube videos on how to do it. oil it up, slide in and out whilst turning, repeat over and over again. As sofa said, thats the main oil feed, if you nick or scratch some bearings you can run into issues. Once its in, dont keep forcing it, put the retainer plate on and bolt it in.
Old 02-23-2017, 08:13 PM
  #5  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
sofakingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 26,051
Received 1,672 Likes on 1,269 Posts
Car: Yes
Engine: Usually
Transmission: Sometimes
Axle/Gears: Behind me somewhere
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Look at the height of those bosses above the outside of the rest of the "spine". You don't want to go much farther in than that.

You'll hit the oil passage. The pressurized oil that keeps your bearings alive. Maybe nothing will happen; but, if a bolt decides to back out, you'll have a GIANT leak in your oil system, starving the bearings of oil. In short, the worst possible disaster you could create.

Don't drill all the way through. Put a piece of white tape on your drill bit or the like.
Old 02-23-2017, 08:24 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
zed-028's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Perth Western Australia
Posts: 517
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Car: 1987 Z28 Camaro
Engine: 305 LG4 4bbl
Transmission: TH700R4
Re: 350 roller cam install help

my bad i thought he was talking about the retainer on the shaft snout.

re:lifter spider - have fun with that
Old 02-24-2017, 06:41 AM
  #7  
Junior Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
91rs1022's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Caro, Michigan
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 89 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 5 Speed
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Thanks for the info guys
Old 02-24-2017, 07:16 AM
  #8  
Senior Member

 
86CamaroDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
Car: 86' IROC
Engine: Supercharged 350
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.45
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Do you have the original block/hardware from the TPI block? If you do, I would measure how deep it goes with a drill bit, then mark that depth on the bit so when you reach it, the tape is flush with the top of the boss. OR you can measure how far down the bolt goes from the BOTTOM OF THE BOLT HEAD to the end of the bolt. Punch a dimple right in the center and start with a smaller bit first, then work your way up. The only other thing i would be weary of is the tap is not the same width all the way down, you you may need to add a washer under the bolt head.
Old 02-24-2017, 07:34 AM
  #9  
Supreme Member

 
midias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Henrietta NY
Posts: 4,370
Received 189 Likes on 149 Posts
Car: 1984 Trans Am L69
Engine: Sniper EFI Powered 355
Transmission: WC T5 w/ Steel Support Plate
Axle/Gears: 3.42 10 Bolt Posi
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Also when you tap use a ground down or bottoming tap to get maximum threads without having to go deeper
Old 02-24-2017, 07:45 AM
  #10  
Junior Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
91rs1022's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Caro, Michigan
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 89 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 5 Speed
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Ok sounds great, that's what I had planned. But yes, I have all the original roller cam stuff. Gonna use a LT1 cam in it.
Old 02-24-2017, 08:01 AM
  #11  
Senior Member

 
86CamaroDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
Car: 86' IROC
Engine: Supercharged 350
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.45
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Originally Posted by midias
Also when you tap use a ground down or bottoming tap to get maximum threads without having to go deeper
I probably wouldnt do that. Mush over the cutting threads. They do make bottoming taps too that go straight down.
Old 02-24-2017, 08:30 AM
  #12  
Supreme Member

 
midias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Henrietta NY
Posts: 4,370
Received 189 Likes on 149 Posts
Car: 1984 Trans Am L69
Engine: Sniper EFI Powered 355
Transmission: WC T5 w/ Steel Support Plate
Axle/Gears: 3.42 10 Bolt Posi
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Originally Posted by 86CamaroDan
I probably wouldnt do that. Mush over the cutting threads. They do make bottoming taps too that go straight down.
You don't grind all the way to the cutting threads just close. If you are not comfortable with it grab a bottoming tap
Old 02-24-2017, 01:31 PM
  #13  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (2)
 
Fast355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hurst, Texas
Posts: 9,994
Received 386 Likes on 329 Posts
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Originally Posted by 91rs1022
I just picked up a tbi 350, I'm wondering if I could install my roller cam from my TPI 305 into this block. It looks like I just need to drill the 3 holes for the spider to mount on. Has anyone done this?
The lifter bosses do not look properly machined to me but it may just be the gunk and grime covering them.

Many truck blocks were not drilled and tapped for the lifter hold down retaimer or the front cam retainer. Also many of them did not have the area above the lifters machined deep enough to allow the lifter dog bones to seat correctly on the lifters.
Old 02-24-2017, 03:29 PM
  #14  
Junior Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
91rs1022's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Caro, Michigan
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 89 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 5 Speed
Re: 350 roller cam install help

I'm gonna measure my current roller motor and double check everything. But thanks for the heads up
Old 02-25-2017, 09:40 AM
  #15  
Supreme Member

 
cuisinartvette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sanctuary state
Posts: 1,780
Likes: 0
Received 27 Likes on 24 Posts
Car: 67 ******mobile
Engine: 385 Solid roller
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 4.11
Re: 350 roller cam install help

measure twice cut once. Youll be Ok
resourceful way to go roller
Old 02-26-2017, 01:04 PM
  #16  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (2)
 
Fast355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hurst, Texas
Posts: 9,994
Received 386 Likes on 329 Posts
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: 350 roller cam install help

Actually I am fairly certain they are not cut after looking at a picture I have of a roller cam equipped block. You can see where the cutter that surfaced the lifter bore cut into the back of the water jackets. Your block does not look like it has had this machining performed.

Name:  20150426_124740_zpsn31h9gw2.jpg
Views: 113
Size:  374.4 KB




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:36 AM.